The Beatles why does every one think they were so great?

[alfa phil]

All these sound the same ,Cant buy me love, Paper,back,writer, In my life, taxman, Dizzy miss lizzie , Revolution, your right its not a law to like them but all the same, please.

[skeggysteve]

I'm in the 'I like them' camp!

Early and late all have there own good songs and the not so good IMHO.

My favorite is probably Twist and Shout, all 2'34 of it!

[sstw]

parakitaMol. said:

S7Paul said:

parakitaMol. said:

I don't know the answer to the OP.

Their songs all sound the same to me. Nursery rhymes with a guitar and drums.

I really hate lego head Paul McTwatney too. Which doesn't help.

So you think She Loves You, Eleanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Helter Skelter & Let It Be all sound the same? I really don't see how, but each to their own I suppose.

Yes.

That is what I think.

And the same with the Beatles tribute band Oasis. Except worse. They are like cheating in an exam but coping the wrong answers down.

Your joking surely? They reinvented themselves with every album. Compare Helter Skelter (inspiration for heavy metal genre) with Julia. You can criticise them for a lot of things, but to say that all their songs sound the same is clearly wrong.

[Negative Creep]

My theory is that it's harder to appreciate music older than yourself as it's difficult to relate to. If you were born in the 80's or 90's, then you will have heard all of the successors to the Beatles sound, which will dilute its impact. You won't be able to listen to them without thinking of other bands with a similar sound (so in the Beatles case, that's thousands of bands or artists). Same thing would apply to the Stones, Black Sabbath Sex Pistols, Oasis etc who either developed a new sound or pushed it to a mass market. I can 'get' Oasis more as I was a teenager when they first appeared; the first two albums at least still have a real energy and confidence about them.

Does that make sense?

[GetCarter]

Well that kinda' makes sense, apart from the fact that I like music from several hundred years ago.

Some here don't like The Beatles. That is their choice.

I never play the Beatles, but they had a MASSIVE effect at the time. On me too.

Anyone who says all their stuff was the same hasn't got a clue what they are talking about.

... but there are a lot of those around.

Edited by GetCarter on Wednesday 8th April 22:57

[parakitaMol.]

GetCarter said:

Anyone who says all their stuff was the same hasn't got a clue what they are talking about.

... but there are a lot of those around.

But music isn't like Maths or Science. How you hear something and your personal preference and taste is not something that is measurable as right or wrong by others.

To me, it all sounds the same (I didn't say it was the same, as in scientific fact, but sounds the same, to me) and I do know the albums mentioned above by others as being 'different' and to me they don't - there's that Nursery Rhyme formula that is constant, formulaic and dull. That is my opinion, the fact I don't like the way they sound or think they are 'the best thing ever' is my taste.... that does not mean I don't have a clue what I am talking about or that I am wrong.

Because to me, and to many others that exactly is how it is. It's subjective not science....

I'm not going to sum up with a withered old cliché like 'each to their own' as that is even MORE boring and MORE obvious than the Beatles or Oast.

[Nadyenka]

otolith said:

Nadyenka said:

otolith said:

Nadyenka said:

I do not understand why every one say how great they were.I do not like any of the music they have make.Why do so many persons love them so much I am not try to insult them I just do not understand why so many persons say they were so good.

People might be better able to explain what it is that they care about and you don't if you tell them what kind of music you do like. From a quick scan through your posting history, I get the impression that you are unimpressed by subtlety, but that's probably unfair.

I like many different music.My 2 most favorite music persons are Jimi Hendrix and John Frusciante because I love strong good and also emotional guitar playing and also the sound of distorted Stratocaster .

In that case, I think you perhaps like a particular style of music, and it isn't one the Beatles really did - do you listen to much blues / jazz / classical?

Personally, I'm not exactly a fan - I think the only Beatles tracks I own are ones I've bought because I've been working on them with my guitar tutor - but they're as much a part of the cultural wallpaper as George Gershwin or Bob Dylan, so like most people I'm familiar with most of their work. I think they've written some songs that will continue to be remembered when the vast majority of 20th century songwriters have been forgotten.

Just on the style issue, do you like this Led Zep?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQGYciBkVs

and this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6QWQS-pRR8

And if you like the second one, would you have a different opinion of the composition if you'd only ever heard this version of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIIO22ijrd4

I like all of them but the first is the best to me .

[Funk Odyssey]

Adam B said:

OP - imagine if all the music you ever heard up until this point was The Beatles, day in day out.

And then today you hear "NWA - fk the police"

that must have been the kind of impact the beatles had on the nation (I was alive during the 60s)

find it very odd that a music lover can't find half a dozen Beatles songs they think are great

unfortunately it never takes long for someone's taste to be called into question!

[otolith]

Nadyenka said:

I like all of them but the first is the best to me .

Thought it might be

People's tastes often broaden. I know someone who, at your age, didn't see any point in music you can't dance to. Ten years later, she likes a much wider range of styles of music. It's just what fits your life and personality at the time. I'd give the Beatles another listen in ten years - you may well never really like them, but you might see why other people do. Mind you, they've been so widely covered, there's a fair chance that you like a Lennon or McCartney song done by someone else - Helter Skelter/Aerosmith, Come Together/GnR/Springstein, Sgt Peppers/Hendrix, Day Tripper/Hendrix, Eleanor Rigby/Godhead, Hey Bulldog/Alice Cooper, etc.

[Nadyenka]

otolith said:

Nadyenka said:

I like all of them but the first is the best to me .

Thought it might be

People's tastes often broaden. I know someone who, at your age, didn't see any point in music you can't dance to. Ten years later, she likes a much wider range of styles of music. It's just what fits your life and personality at the time. I'd give the Beatles another listen in ten years - you may well never really like them, but you might see why other people do. Mind you, they've been so widely covered, there's a fair chance that you like a Lennon or McCartney song done by someone else - Helter Skelter/Aerosmith, Come Together/GnR/Springstein, Sgt Peppers/Hendrix, Day Tripper/Hendrix, Eleanor Rigby/Godhead, Hey Bulldog/Alice Cooper, etc.

I like a lot of music from 1980s and 1990s.Also Joy Division are one of the best things the UK has ever done for me

[Jasandjules]

Nadyenka said:

I do not understand why every one say how great they were.I do not like any of the music they have make.Why do so many persons love them so much I am not try to insult them I just do not understand why so many persons say they were so good.

Don't know. Plenty of other singers/songs I prefer far more than most of the stuff the beatles did. I think they were run by the Simon Cowell/Max Clifford of the day to get to that status....

[Mr POD]

As a resident of Liverpool I may be fairly typical in that I hate the Beatles and always have.

The Best thing to come out of Liverpool is Echo and the Bunnymen IMHO.

[shirt]

no, the best thing to come out of liverpool is the M62.

[humphrey1]

[alfa phil]

Ah mr Pod "The Cutter" that takes me back a bit, them Tear drop explodes,and OMD, wernt bad bands either,

[Funk Odyssey]

as I said in my thread about bands that you just don't get, I don't like many Beatles songs.

however I think they got steadily worse as the years wore on, moving from exuberant young musicians who can't believe their luck to (still unbelievably young) jaded cynical art wkers


Their stregnths for me lay in songwriting - not musicianship

As irritating as Paul McCartney is, his development across the 1960's as a bass player is jaw-dropping

As much as I can't stand him - I wish he could/would still play like that!

[GetCarter]

parakitaMol. said:

GetCarter said:

Anyone who says all their stuff was the same hasn't got a clue what they are talking about.

... but there are a lot of those around.

But music isn't like Maths or Science. How you hear something and your personal preference and taste is not something that is measurable as right or wrong by others.

To me, it all sounds the same (I didn't say it was the same, as in scientific fact, but sounds the same, to me) and I do know the albums mentioned above by others as being 'different' and to me they don't - there's that Nursery Rhyme formula that is constant, formulaic and dull. That is my opinion, the fact I don't like the way they sound or think they are 'the best thing ever' is my taste.... that does not mean I don't have a clue what I am talking about or that I am wrong.

Because to me, and to many others that exactly is how it is. It's subjective not science....

I'm not going to sum up with a withered old cliché like 'each to their own' as that is even MORE boring and MORE obvious than the Beatles or Oast.

Ah.. OK... apologies. All I'd say is that J.S. Bach always 'sounds' the same to me. I can spot him from 300 yards. It's because that was what he did - he had a revolutionary style. It just happened to be the best music ever written. Sounding the same isn't bad, it just depends how good it is!

The Beatles are obviously not on the same planet as Bach, but they had a style... which was always recognisable.

This is a GOOD thing! It was new, and had a unique quality. So to some, it just sounds the same. To others, it was just a bloody noise (my dad).

ETA... I set 'YESTERDAY' as a study for some music degree students (when I did that sort of thing) - and asked them to analyse it. Not one of them spotted that it was a 7 bar phrase!

Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 9th April 21:43

[Baby Huey]

The Reason the Beatles suck is that in an era of revolution and protest, the only protest song they wrote was about how much tax they had to pay.

Case closed.

[Baby Huey]

Mr POD said:

As a resident of Liverpool I may be fairly typical in that I hate the Beatles and always have.

The Best thing to come out of Liverpool is Echo and the Bunnymen IMHO.

Good call.

I always think Oasis are so lame they should have been from Liverpool.

[Carfolio]

alfa phil said:

Ah mr Pod "The Cutter" that takes me back a bit, them Tear drop explodes,and OMD, wernt bad bands either,

LOL you're right, OMD weren't bad, they were fking terrible! ;-)