Replacing my defender
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Currently have a 80 series, a defender (soon to be gone) and just got rid of my mondeo. So, I need to replace the defender and the mondeo. 80 series does most of the heavy work but want something that can tow 3.5t just in case. Also want something nice for long journeys. Currently my thinking is either get a 2014 200 series to do the job of both the defender (carrying tools and light towing) and the mondeo (mainly motorway), or get an old fourtrak or patrol plus an audi a5 or something. Im a little wary of AHC, which is the only thing putting me off the 200 series. Any suggestions or decent alternatives I should consider?
They are good tow vehicles but tbh i don't think ill touch a land rover product ever again. Was wondering about the reliability of a grand cherokee or maybe a touareg? Would like to keep it to at least 200k, I dont mind replacing a few parts here and there but i really dont want to be having to get it plugged in to a computer.
buy a 200 series, you cant buy a better 4wd.
i have a 200 and pull 3.5T in 40c on corrugated roads (in Australia) nothing matches it
buy a discovery or RR and watch it fall apart , ok while you sit in a little bit more comfort but not much
f yuy can get a td42 partol in uk that would be a good cheap option. we run ute versions for work up to 800,000km before re builds
i have a 200 and pull 3.5T in 40c on corrugated roads (in Australia) nothing matches it
buy a discovery or RR and watch it fall apart , ok while you sit in a little bit more comfort but not much
f yuy can get a td42 partol in uk that would be a good cheap option. we run ute versions for work up to 800,000km before re builds
i don't know we don't have that on them here, was that an option and you can get without, or if that worried can you swap it out for OME or similar shouldnt be more than 1500GBP for a full kit.
either way its going to be a lot less trouble that a RR or discovery.
look up the Australian forums people do 300,000km plus no issues the 07's are getting up there now and you'll find em wiht 400km +
yes not as good as the 1HD-FTE or TD42 patrols but pretty close
i wouldn't even consider the LR offerings over one, but i know there is a bit more of a status think with the LR's in UK over the toyota and maybe resale
i don't think they are comparable tho in the real world and value for money.
either way its going to be a lot less trouble that a RR or discovery.
look up the Australian forums people do 300,000km plus no issues the 07's are getting up there now and you'll find em wiht 400km +
yes not as good as the 1HD-FTE or TD42 patrols but pretty close
i wouldn't even consider the LR offerings over one, but i know there is a bit more of a status think with the LR's in UK over the toyota and maybe resale
i don't think they are comparable tho in the real world and value for money.
K974 said:
i don't know we don't have that on them here, was that an option and you can get without, or if that worried can you swap it out for OME or similar shouldnt be more than 1500GBP for a full kit.
either way its going to be a lot less trouble that a RR or discovery.
look up the Australian forums people do 300,000km plus no issues the 07's are getting up there now and you'll find em wiht 400km +
yes not as good as the 1HD-FTE or TD42 patrols but pretty close
i wouldn't even consider the LR offerings over one, but i know there is a bit more of a status think with the LR's in UK over the toyota and maybe resale
i don't think they are comparable tho in the real world and value for money.
Land rover dont really have any status as nowadays every man and his dog has got a rangerover of some kind. As for resale nothing touches a landcruiser, but the 200s are expensive to tax and from what ive seen they are quite a bit heavier on diesel than my 80, hence my wondering about alternatives. What sort of mpg do you get? It seems a bit the wrong way around to be getting a truck 20 years newer which is worse on diesel.either way its going to be a lot less trouble that a RR or discovery.
look up the Australian forums people do 300,000km plus no issues the 07's are getting up there now and you'll find em wiht 400km +
yes not as good as the 1HD-FTE or TD42 patrols but pretty close
i wouldn't even consider the LR offerings over one, but i know there is a bit more of a status think with the LR's in UK over the toyota and maybe resale
i don't think they are comparable tho in the real world and value for money.
Computer say 14-14.5litres / 100 I know 10/100 is approx 30mpg
You won't beat the td42 engines patrols or 1hd-fte cruisers , but 200's with the vdj are proving to be very good
There is an Australian Facebook group with 25,000 members you can see there people have big km on em trouble free
You may have a little less mpg but more tax but your resale and reduced maintenance all up it's prob the Best Buy?
A little floaty/ boat on the road to be fair the windy narrow roads of uk prob isn't the best match but motorway cruising perfect
You won't beat the td42 engines patrols or 1hd-fte cruisers , but 200's with the vdj are proving to be very good
There is an Australian Facebook group with 25,000 members you can see there people have big km on em trouble free
You may have a little less mpg but more tax but your resale and reduced maintenance all up it's prob the Best Buy?
A little floaty/ boat on the road to be fair the windy narrow roads of uk prob isn't the best match but motorway cruising perfect
I think your probably right, just seems wrong going from a 1996 cruiser getting 25mpg to a 2014 cruiser getting 20mpg. Have been told reliably to expect 30mpg from a touareg, so would save about £8000+vat per 100k miles in fuel against the 200 series. But, i have just clicked over 440k miles in my 80 series and it still isnt burning any oil, and i doubt id get that service out of a volkswagen.
we run approx 100 vehicles and are currently rationalising the fleet but some of the existing are veichels we took back from an allowance scheme so its made up of the following
RR sport
Tourage V6
V8 200 Series x 2
150 Landcruiser 3.0 x 10ish
Hilux 3.0's x 50 ish
tritons x 5ish
navara x 10 ish
patrol td42 x 2
patrol zd30 x 2
amarok x 5
1hz cruiser x 5-8
few miscellaneous stuff
everything is on a fleet maintenance software the RR and VW are 3 times the cost on avg /km than the toyotas
so yes fuel is more but maintenance is 3 times the price altho the Toyota service deals are much cheaper so its not all repairs but there is a fair amount of due to repairs
i could give you exact stats if interested
RR sport
Tourage V6
V8 200 Series x 2
150 Landcruiser 3.0 x 10ish
Hilux 3.0's x 50 ish
tritons x 5ish
navara x 10 ish
patrol td42 x 2
patrol zd30 x 2
amarok x 5
1hz cruiser x 5-8
few miscellaneous stuff
everything is on a fleet maintenance software the RR and VW are 3 times the cost on avg /km than the toyotas
so yes fuel is more but maintenance is 3 times the price altho the Toyota service deals are much cheaper so its not all repairs but there is a fair amount of due to repairs
i could give you exact stats if interested
K974 said:
Computer say 14-14.5litres / 100 I know 10/100 is approx 30mpg
You won't beat the td42 engines patrols or 1hd-fte cruisers , but 200's with the vdj are proving to be very good
There is an Australian Facebook group with 25,000 members you can see there people have big km on em trouble free
You may have a little less mpg but more tax but your resale and reduced maintenance all up it's prob the Best Buy?
A little floaty/ boat on the road to be fair the windy narrow roads of uk prob isn't the best match but motorway cruising perfect
The patrols we got here had a 3l 4 pot gutless wonder ... You won't beat the td42 engines patrols or 1hd-fte cruisers , but 200's with the vdj are proving to be very good
There is an Australian Facebook group with 25,000 members you can see there people have big km on em trouble free
You may have a little less mpg but more tax but your resale and reduced maintenance all up it's prob the Best Buy?
A little floaty/ boat on the road to be fair the windy narrow roads of uk prob isn't the best match but motorway cruising perfect
powerstroke said:
K974 said:
Computer say 14-14.5litres / 100 I know 10/100 is approx 30mpg
You won't beat the td42 engines patrols or 1hd-fte cruisers , but 200's with the vdj are proving to be very good
There is an Australian Facebook group with 25,000 members you can see there people have big km on em trouble free
You may have a little less mpg but more tax but your resale and reduced maintenance all up it's prob the Best Buy?
A little floaty/ boat on the road to be fair the windy narrow roads of uk prob isn't the best match but motorway cruising perfect
The patrols we got here had a 3l 4 pot gutless wonder ... You won't beat the td42 engines patrols or 1hd-fte cruisers , but 200's with the vdj are proving to be very good
There is an Australian Facebook group with 25,000 members you can see there people have big km on em trouble free
You may have a little less mpg but more tax but your resale and reduced maintenance all up it's prob the Best Buy?
A little floaty/ boat on the road to be fair the windy narrow roads of uk prob isn't the best match but motorway cruising perfect
if you get a TD42 you can run it for 800,000km plus no worries before a rebuild,
Have just picked up a fourtrak to take on the work duties for now, so just need a nice car for long journeys. Was thinking an audi a4/a5/a6 3.0 tdi manual, appreciate im probably asking in the wrong bit of the forum but any thoughts on these?
Edited by Hdj80 01 on Tuesday 12th June 11:44
Hdj80 01 said:
Have just picked up a fourtrak to take on the work duties for now, so just need a nice car for long journeys. Was thinking an audi a4/a5/a6 3.0 tdi manual, appreciate im probably asking in the wrong bit of the forum but any thoughts on these?
Audis are, in general, over-priced for what they are. The VW and Skoda offerings are so similar in offering at a much better price point. A true case of paying for the brand name. I have had 4 Audis, 1 VW and 9 Skodas in my driving history.Edited by Hdj80 01 on Tuesday 12th June 11:44
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