Pickup truck replacement

Pickup truck replacement

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emperorburger

1,484 posts

67 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Brand new Great Wall Tracker? getmecoat

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Mammasaid said:
The Ranger and Amarok are great if you only want to do 50mph on A roads (60 on DCs).
What are the actual regs around this? I assume it has something to do with it being registered as a commercial vehicle also?

Mammasaid

3,858 posts

98 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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300bhp/ton said:
Mammasaid said:
The Ranger and Amarok are great if you only want to do 50mph on A roads (60 on DCs).
What are the actual regs around this? I assume it has something to do with it being registered as a commercial vehicle also?
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q529.htm

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Mammasaid said:
300bhp/ton said:
Mammasaid said:
The Ranger and Amarok are great if you only want to do 50mph on A roads (60 on DCs).
What are the actual regs around this? I assume it has something to do with it being registered as a commercial vehicle also?
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q529.htm
Thanks, so assuming that info is correct. Then pretty much all pickups should be fine.

It says if it has these, normal speed limits apply like they would for a car.

capable of all wheel drive,
or if not capable of all wheel drive has:

a rigid roof,
transverse passenger seats


It's a shame the Police site doesn't reference the legislation/act/regulation though. As I suspect there is slightly more to it.

Mammasaid

3,858 posts

98 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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300bhp/ton said:
Thanks, so assuming that info is correct. Then pretty much all pickups should be fine.

It says if it has these, normal speed limits apply like they would for a car.

capable of all wheel drive,
or if not capable of all wheel drive has:

a rigid roof,
transverse passenger seats


It's a shame the Police site doesn't reference the legislation/act/regulation though. As I suspect there is slightly more to it.

The pertinent point is the unladen weight of less than 2040 kg also applies, hence the Amarok and Ranger being restricted to 50/60/70, whereas the L200 and Hilux and Dmax are subject to car limits (60/70/70)

irocfan

40,541 posts

191 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Mammasaid said:
300bhp/ton said:
Thanks, so assuming that info is correct. Then pretty much all pickups should be fine.

It says if it has these, normal speed limits apply like they would for a car.

capable of all wheel drive,
or if not capable of all wheel drive has:

a rigid roof,
transverse passenger seats


It's a shame the Police site doesn't reference the legislation/act/regulation though. As I suspect there is slightly more to it.

The pertinent point is the unladen weight of less than 2040 kg also applies, hence the Amarok and Ranger being restricted to 50/60/70, whereas the L200 and Hilux and Dmax are subject to car limits (60/70/70)
curious how this affects US pick-up trucks as they're not exactly known for being light?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Mammasaid said:

The pertinent point is the unladen weight of less than 2040 kg also applies, hence the Amarok and Ranger being restricted to 50/60/70, whereas the L200 and Hilux and Dmax are subject to car limits (60/70/70)
That isn't what it says, it says if it is over 2040kg unladen but has 4wd, transverse seats or a rigid roof then it is the same as a car.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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irocfan said:
curious how this affects US pick-up trucks as they're not exactly known for being light?
Again assuming that link to the Police site is correct, they would look to appear under the Dual Purpose Vehicle definition, so would be treated like a car.

Mammasaid

3,858 posts

98 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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300bhp/ton said:
Mammasaid said:

The pertinent point is the unladen weight of less than 2040 kg also applies, hence the Amarok and Ranger being restricted to 50/60/70, whereas the L200 and Hilux and Dmax are subject to car limits (60/70/70)
That isn't what it says, it says if it is over 2040kg unladen but has 4wd, transverse seats or a rigid roof then it is the same as a car.
Nope, it must be less than 2040 kg AND is either 4wd or fitted with transverse seats and a rigid roof and rear and side windows.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-der...

I would suspect that most US pickups aren't registered as commercial vehicles over here and would be classed as a car, however I may be wrong.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Mammasaid said:
Nope, it must be less than 2040 kg AND is either 4wd or fitted with transverse seats and a rigid roof and rear and side windows.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-der...

I would suspect that most US pickups aren't registered as commercial vehicles over here and would be classed as a car, however I may be wrong.
Thanks. So my next question is, what causes this to be the case? As a Range Rover would exceed the unleaden weight bit. The Dual vehicle definition doesn't specific the entry criteria.

Mammasaid

3,858 posts

98 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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300bhp/ton said:
Mammasaid said:
Nope, it must be less than 2040 kg AND is either 4wd or fitted with transverse seats and a rigid roof and rear and side windows.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-der...

I would suspect that most US pickups aren't registered as commercial vehicles over here and would be classed as a car, however I may be wrong.
Thanks. So my next question is, what causes this to be the case? As a Range Rover would exceed the unleaden weight bit. The Dual vehicle definition doesn't specific the entry criteria.
A Range Rover is a car, the pickups are commercial vehicles, and it's basically a opt out for the lighter ones from the commercial vehicle speed limits, as they also do for car derived vans like the Fiesta van.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Mammasaid said:
A Range Rover is a car, the pickups are commercial vehicles, and it's basically a opt out for the lighter ones from the commercial vehicle speed limits, as they also do for car derived vans like the Fiesta van.
Thanks again. So what is the definition of a commercial vehicle? Is there a choice when first registering it?

cologne2792

2,128 posts

127 months

Friday 8th November 2019
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Interesting, very different weights than quoted on Wikipedia. Sure that will catch a few people out.

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All the first gen UK Rangers (98-11) Mk1-4 are all built by Mazda and are based on the B2500. All are under 2,040 kg and the 4x4 Double Cab and Super Cabs have Dual Purpose exemption and car speed limits.

From the 2012 Ford built T6 Ranger it gets a bit confusing.
I think the original T6 is just under 2,040 kg but from the facelift some high spec models of Double / Super Cab are overweight.
From the newest T6, all the Double Cabs are over and only the low spec, manual Supercabs qualify as Dual Purpose.

If you’re a single owner / operator, like me, it’s not so bad.
If you have access to a fleet of mixed aged vehicles then it’s going to be confusing.