4x4 Advise Please!
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Psimpson7 said:
This the unbreakable 80 series Pugwash!!
http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?s=&showtopic...
Not really having a dig.
I now live in Oz, the home of cruisers and patrols and they arent totally unbreakable as you keep suggesting. They also arent any better off road than a comparable Rover or Nissan.....
Parts are also stupidly expensive, even here. (more than LR's)
I still think that a RRC, D1 or D2 V8 auto will fit the OP's requirements more closely than anything else.
To be fair i never said 80 series were unbreakable (i did have to read what i typed to make sure), but i'm 100% confident that they are more reliable than an LR- certainly from a rust point of view- i've had (and broken) 8 range rover classics in a row and every single one had chronic rustitis in the usual areas. the 80 just doesn't have any rust anywhere- yes i do get evangelical about it, but probably because i'm a bit of convert from LRs. http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?s=&showtopic...
Not really having a dig.
I now live in Oz, the home of cruisers and patrols and they arent totally unbreakable as you keep suggesting. They also arent any better off road than a comparable Rover or Nissan.....Parts are also stupidly expensive, even here. (more than LR's)
I still think that a RRC, D1 or D2 V8 auto will fit the OP's requirements more closely than anything else.
There are known failure points, the big end bearings need replacing after 130,000 miles for certain years of engines (Yota seemed to have used badlyspecced bearing material on certain engines), and the top of the windscreens leak a little bit if not properly sealed if the original windscreen needs to be replaced.
Parts wise- there is no Britpart, but i get all my parts from local stealer and have negotiated a healthy discoun. I spend less each year on repairs then i used to on my range rovers. Comparable amounts of offroading occurs each year.
off road- hmm, most of it is to do with the driver! probably where i go wrong lol.
pugwash4x4 said:
Parts wise- there is no Britpart,
That's so not a bad thing as I am sure you are aware!!!!! lol...
I guess half the issue with rust are probably ased around the fact that the RR shell is a late 60's design, whereas the 80 series (I am guessing) is probably at least 12 years newer.
As you say most of it is down to the driver, and they are all pretty good really. I quite like the GU patrols too.
cheers
Pete
Agree with the britpart comment- although its variable, some parts are fantastic, some are............les than fantastic !?!
Quite like the GU too, but all the ones i've seen in the UK seemed to have rusty rear ends- it seems that a lot of them may have been used to put boats in the sea and this has had a bit of a negative effect!
Quite like the GU too, but all the ones i've seen in the UK seemed to have rusty rear ends- it seems that a lot of them may have been used to put boats in the sea and this has had a bit of a negative effect!
Jacksons is a military vehicles sales place. Not sure hat qualifies as "surplus" but Jacksons sells "used" kit.
As I said, it's been some while since I've seen either a Landy mag or the Jacksons ad but they *were* there. It's entirely possible that you're also referring to the same place and their prices are "adjusted".
Also, its unlikely that the one in the pic I posted could be had for so little too. It looks brand new.
I've fancied one of these for some time. I noted that Clarkson or Hamster had one on TG recently - well it was the BV10S more commonly known by our forces as the VIKING (and is very much heavier, more powerful and larger) rather than the dainty BV206.
Some interesting stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagglund_BV206
http://www.evems.com/flash/slides/slideshow-1.html <- Loads for sale, no prices though
Strangely, the link that Google throws up for Jacksons goes to that second link above too. Must be another trading name or something.
As I said, it's been some while since I've seen either a Landy mag or the Jacksons ad but they *were* there. It's entirely possible that you're also referring to the same place and their prices are "adjusted".
Also, its unlikely that the one in the pic I posted could be had for so little too. It looks brand new.
I've fancied one of these for some time. I noted that Clarkson or Hamster had one on TG recently - well it was the BV10S more commonly known by our forces as the VIKING (and is very much heavier, more powerful and larger) rather than the dainty BV206.
Some interesting stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagglund_BV206
http://www.evems.com/flash/slides/slideshow-1.html <- Loads for sale, no prices though
Strangely, the link that Google throws up for Jacksons goes to that second link above too. Must be another trading name or something.
jollygreen said:
I stand corrected!
I've seen them for sale through that military surplus place (can't remember the name now...) and they're usually in the £15-20k range. Bloody great machines, I saw one on Rannoch Moor once and it was awesome.
WithamsI've seen them for sale through that military surplus place (can't remember the name now...) and they're usually in the £15-20k range. Bloody great machines, I saw one on Rannoch Moor once and it was awesome.
Edited by BLUETHUNDER on Thursday 4th December 19:48
It's nice to see differance of opinions,all put together it builds to a wealth of Knowledge.
I have recently posted a simular question and it would be nice to get some more constructive arguements as to what i should do...being a newbie to the world of off roading i do understand that my "96" 2.8td lwb auto shogun with half decent tyres will do the job for around the farm but how will it fair on the green lanes. most of the guys i will be following have 300tdi disco's with 2" susp lift on 235/85x16 mt's and i don't want to be the one that's constantly stuck,sunk or grounded.
I do know the lanes used are fairly aggressive and that driver skills have a big part to play.
I won't be going to any full on pitts as this will be my daily driver so getting it full up with water won't be for me.
All constuctive comments more than welcome.
many thanks
Dave.
I have recently posted a simular question and it would be nice to get some more constructive arguements as to what i should do...being a newbie to the world of off roading i do understand that my "96" 2.8td lwb auto shogun with half decent tyres will do the job for around the farm but how will it fair on the green lanes. most of the guys i will be following have 300tdi disco's with 2" susp lift on 235/85x16 mt's and i don't want to be the one that's constantly stuck,sunk or grounded.
I do know the lanes used are fairly aggressive and that driver skills have a big part to play.
I won't be going to any full on pitts as this will be my daily driver so getting it full up with water won't be for me.
All constuctive comments more than welcome.
many thanks
Dave.
Dave.C said:
It's nice to see differance of opinions,all put together it builds to a wealth of Knowledge.
I have recently posted a simular question and it would be nice to get some more constructive arguements as to what i should do...being a newbie to the world of off roading i do understand that my "96" 2.8td lwb auto shogun with half decent tyres will do the job for around the farm but how will it fair on the green lanes. most of the guys i will be following have 300tdi disco's with 2" susp lift on 235/85x16 mt's and i don't want to be the one that's constantly stuck,sunk or grounded.
I do know the lanes used are fairly aggressive and that driver skills have a big part to play.
I won't be going to any full on pitts as this will be my daily driver so getting it full up with water won't be for me.
All constuctive comments more than welcome.
many thanks
Dave.
I have to say that the vehicle is less important than the driver- it took me years to realise that i was crap lol I have recently posted a simular question and it would be nice to get some more constructive arguements as to what i should do...being a newbie to the world of off roading i do understand that my "96" 2.8td lwb auto shogun with half decent tyres will do the job for around the farm but how will it fair on the green lanes. most of the guys i will be following have 300tdi disco's with 2" susp lift on 235/85x16 mt's and i don't want to be the one that's constantly stuck,sunk or grounded.
I do know the lanes used are fairly aggressive and that driver skills have a big part to play.
I won't be going to any full on pitts as this will be my daily driver so getting it full up with water won't be for me.
All constuctive comments more than welcome.
many thanks
Dave.
seriously though, a bit of training will make a huge difference (and help you avoid life threatening situations), the for me the next biggest difference are tyres, at that point comes your vehicle type.
To sum it up i would say that your vehicle choice limits the envelope of performance, but your driving and tyres dictates just how much of that enveleope you can exploit, and a really good driver will push a vehicle past its accepted limits. A chappy i know who really is a very good driver reguarlly trounces tricked 90s etc in his little old panda 4x4- no low range, just a set of smallish MTs!
your shogun will be more than adequate to get you into (and out of) a lot of trouble- haeva looky here for a report on shoguns taking part in a "drive round day" (basically advanced greenlaning with much tugher terrain that you would normally find on a geenlane http://www.4x4adventures.co.uk/_main/_reports08/08...
lol, thanks for all (or some) of the advise!
After viewing a few cars, I decided that another car (another MOT, tax, insurance to worry about)... and having to own something 2002 or below could pop up a few problems in the long run and I really wasnt happy with anything I was test driving between £5-6k. I had ordered last friday some GOODYEAR WRANGLER MTR tyres which are 19inch suitable (the old original rims which came with the car before my 24inch lexani's) so they've just arrived & slapped them on today.
Went for a quick drive around the marsh land, absolutely a dream to drive, finally using the car for what it was intended I suppose! So am happy to have found a solution! However, these goodyears were £800 for tyres only ... christ... but I suppose suited me fine. I would definately recommend them to any Vogue/Supercharged owners wanting to do abit of offroading!
After viewing a few cars, I decided that another car (another MOT, tax, insurance to worry about)... and having to own something 2002 or below could pop up a few problems in the long run and I really wasnt happy with anything I was test driving between £5-6k. I had ordered last friday some GOODYEAR WRANGLER MTR tyres which are 19inch suitable (the old original rims which came with the car before my 24inch lexani's) so they've just arrived & slapped them on today.
Went for a quick drive around the marsh land, absolutely a dream to drive, finally using the car for what it was intended I suppose! So am happy to have found a solution! However, these goodyears were £800 for tyres only ... christ... but I suppose suited me fine. I would definately recommend them to any Vogue/Supercharged owners wanting to do abit of offroading!
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