Big changes to MSA licences - Medicals

Big changes to MSA licences - Medicals

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ChevronB19

Original Poster:

1,186 posts

111 months

Wednesday 20th November
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Hooray!

Licence renewal came through today. While the Nat B has gone up in price (to £99) and changed name to ‘Race Inter Club (UK only)’, there is now NO requirement for a medical if you are between 45 and 59, only a 3 yearly eye test.

If you’re over 60, you only need a medical at 60, 65, 70, 72, 74 and annually over 74. Saves about £100 per annum and a lot of hassle. Also for previously declared medical conditions you can now write an explanation rather than having to get a doctors letter (which in my case [history of depression] is usually a terse note from my doctor saying ‘he’s perfectly ok why do you need this’).

P.S. Unclear how ‘U.K. only’ will apply for races at Spa run by U.K. clubs, I used to have an international historic which covered this, however that seems to have disappeared.

alfapork

249 posts

50 months

Wednesday 20th November
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Did Nat B ever allow you to run outside of the UK?

As a UK licence holder, to race at Spa (or anywhere else outside UK) you need a Nat A or above.

ChevronB19

Original Poster:

1,186 posts

111 months

Wednesday 20th November
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alfapork said:
Did Nat B ever allow you to run outside of the UK?

As a UK licence holder, to race at Spa (or anywhere else outside UK) you need a Nat A or above.
Yes, my apologies (man apologises on internet shock), you’re right. I didn’t have a Nat A, I had an international historic, from distant memory the only reason I went that way was the licence was cheaper!

ginettajoe

1,997 posts

166 months

Wednesday 20th November
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ChevronB19 said:
Hooray!

Licence renewal came through today. While the Nat B has gone up in price (to £99) and changed name to ‘Race Inter Club (UK only)’, there is now NO requirement for a medical if you are between 45 and 59, only a 3 yearly eye test.

If you’re over 60, you only need a medical at 60, 65, 70, 72, 74 and annually over 74. Saves about £100 per annum and a lot of hassle. Also for previously declared medical conditions you can now write an explanation rather than having to get a doctors letter (which in my case [history of depression] is usually a terse note from my doctor saying ‘he’s perfectly ok why do you need this’).

P.S. Unclear how ‘U.K. only’ will apply for races at Spa run by U.K. clubs, I used to have an international historic which covered this, however that seems to have disappeared.
So who carries out the eye test, how thorough is it, and that would obviously govern whether there was a cost? The eye test included in the previous medical only determined how many of the characters on the wall chart you could read!!

ChevronB19

Original Poster:

1,186 posts

111 months

Wednesday 20th November
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ginettajoe said:
ChevronB19 said:
Hooray!

Licence renewal came through today. While the Nat B has gone up in price (to £99) and changed name to ‘Race Inter Club (UK only)’, there is now NO requirement for a medical if you are between 45 and 59, only a 3 yearly eye test.

If you’re over 60, you only need a medical at 60, 65, 70, 72, 74 and annually over 74. Saves about £100 per annum and a lot of hassle. Also for previously declared medical conditions you can now write an explanation rather than having to get a doctors letter (which in my case [history of depression] is usually a terse note from my doctor saying ‘he’s perfectly ok why do you need this’).

P.S. Unclear how ‘U.K. only’ will apply for races at Spa run by U.K. clubs, I used to have an international historic which covered this, however that seems to have disappeared.
So who carries out the eye test, how thorough is it, and that would obviously govern whether there was a cost? The eye test included in the previous medical only determined how many of the characters on the wall chart you could read!!
Included in the licence renewal is an advert for one of MSA’s new partners, Specsavers, with a free eye test. From experience, these are more extensive than someone waving a hand in front of your face and saying ‘how many fingers’.

10% off at Halfords, protyre etc as well.

ginettajoe

1,997 posts

166 months

Thursday 21st November
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ChevronB19 said:
ginettajoe said:
ChevronB19 said:
Hooray!

Licence renewal came through today. While the Nat B has gone up in price (to £99) and changed name to ‘Race Inter Club (UK only)’, there is now NO requirement for a medical if you are between 45 and 59, only a 3 yearly eye test.

If you’re over 60, you only need a medical at 60, 65, 70, 72, 74 and annually over 74. Saves about £100 per annum and a lot of hassle. Also for previously declared medical conditions you can now write an explanation rather than having to get a doctors letter (which in my case [history of depression] is usually a terse note from my doctor saying ‘he’s perfectly ok why do you need this’).

P.S. Unclear how ‘U.K. only’ will apply for races at Spa run by U.K. clubs, I used to have an international historic which covered this, however that seems to have disappeared.
So who carries out the eye test, how thorough is it, and that would obviously govern whether there was a cost? The eye test included in the previous medical only determined how many of the characters on the wall chart you could read!!
Included in the licence renewal is an advert for one of MSA’s new partners, Specsavers, with a free eye test. From experience, these are more extensive than someone waving a hand in front of your face and saying ‘how many fingers’.

10% off at Halfords, protyre etc as well.
Brilliant, thanks for that, ..... I haven't received my licence renewal yet.

Kraken

1,272 posts

148 months

Thursday 21st November
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The new National license which replaces the National A is now £155 a year.

Applications can be done on line by confirming a few details rather than waiting for a renewal form.

MyVTECGoesBwaaah

708 posts

90 months

Thursday 21st November
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ChevronB19 said:
10% off at Halfords, protyre etc as well.
Used the 10% off at my local Halfords a couple of times with no problems, nice little bonus.

Rockatansky

1,473 posts

135 months

Thursday 21st November
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Kraken said:
Applications can be done on line by confirming a few details rather than waiting for a renewal form.


If they ever sort the renewals part of the website out, it's been down all week!


Edited by Rockatansky on Thursday 21st November 18:24

Kraken

1,272 posts

148 months

Thursday 21st November
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Rockatansky said:
If they ever sort the renewals part of the website out, it's been down all week!


Edited by Rockatansky on Thursday 21st November 18:24
Working fine for me and my mate. He did his yesterday and told me about it so I did mine this morning just before I posted.

Trev450

5,821 posts

120 months

Thursday 21st November
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ChevronB19 said:
Also for previously declared medical conditions you can now write an explanation rather than having to get a doctors letter (which in my case [history of depression] is usually a terse note from my doctor saying ‘he’s perfectly ok why do you need this’).
Not sure if I've misread this bit on the form but the way I understand it is based on the explanation you provide, they then decide if you need to provide a doctor's letter or not.

BertBert

13,156 posts

159 months

Thursday 21st November
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wow at 59, I can get away with not needing a medical! Awesome.
Bert

ginettajoe

1,997 posts

166 months

Friday 22nd November
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BertBert said:
wow at 59, I can get away with not needing a medical! Awesome.
Bert
..... but the increase in licence cost negates any saving for a medical!!! Nothing but a bunch of shysters!! There is a petition in place already!!

funnycar

41 posts

157 months

Friday 22nd November
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Petition? Where?

Kraken

1,272 posts

148 months

Friday 22nd November
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ginettajoe said:
..... but the increase in licence cost negates any saving for a medical!!! Nothing but a bunch of shysters!! There is a petition in place already!!
It's laughable that people taking part in a sport that the average person can only dream of are starting a petition to complain about an average £1 a week price rise when the additional benefits the new licenses offer save far, far more than that amount.

ginettajoe

1,997 posts

166 months

Friday 22nd November
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Kraken said:
ginettajoe said:
..... but the increase in licence cost negates any saving for a medical!!! Nothing but a bunch of shysters!! There is a petition in place already!!
It's laughable that people taking part in a sport that the average person can only dream of are starting a petition to complain about an average £1 a week price rise when the additional benefits the new licenses offer save far, far more than that amount.
I think you will find that everyone would agree with you, that an extra £55 in the grand scheme of things is insignificant, but when MSUK admit they are concerned about falling numbers and take certain steps to reduce costs, such as removing the need for a medical. Then in a blatant fashion add that saving into their cost, to make their side of things more profitable, is an insult to all competitors!!! If the MSUK was a person, he or she would be deemed a "Spiv". Slight of hand.......

Wingo

219 posts

119 months

Friday 22nd November
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The whole point is that that very cheap affordable motorsport is getting less affordable as a result of these changes.

It's at the very bottom of the pile, the cheap clubbie autotests, targas, road rallies etc that are getting 50% price hikes, granted only a fiver here and £50 there but still a 50% increase.

Those running at the top are not getting big price hikes and yes if you are throwing thousands, tens of thousands, of hundreds of thousands at motorsport you are not going to notice the price hikes.

£50 currently gets you five entries at a clubbie autotest or car trial, maybe use a 5 litres of fuel at each one. These are the events at the real grass roots of motorsport. Many use very cheap road cars

I can assure you that the the dozen or two dozen entries you get on a clubbie autotest on a airfield are spending as much on a season of autotests as some might spend on a single round of drinks at a post event p155 up.

These are the same people that help organise bigger events, go out and marshal on them,they have a passion for motorsport that goes way beyond competing on a few low cost clubbie events. Many bring youngsters in to the sport and show them that it doesn't cost a fortune to compete and you can enjoy competitive motorsport for under £25 an event. Some stay at that level and enjoy it, some move on up the motorsport ladder. Some after competing at a high level come back to the clubbie stuff simply because they have spent big money in the past, their lives have moved on and they just want to enjoy motorsport at a level that doesn't cost much.

These are the people that MUK say they want to encourage and help................as long as they are willing to pay for the help that in many instances they just don't need.

Not only are many at MUK out of touch with grass roots motorsport so are the the I'm all right jack, motorsport isn't for poor people who are not powerfully built company directors, that just don't see why its a problem for or care even less about grass roots motorsport.

MUK/MSA have already lost hundreds if not thousands of "customers" to indikarting, they have learnt nothing from that and look set on repeating the same mistakes with other forms of motorsport.




andrewcliffe

513 posts

172 months

Friday 22nd November
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Petition here: https://www.change.org/p/motorsport-uk-force-motor...

The cost of a National B or National A licence has increased by >50%
The cost of International licenses has increased by 3%


megamaniac

1,022 posts

164 months

Friday 22nd November
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How does this" encourage" Motorsport?
I only do one race per year and was already thinking it was getting too expensive to carry on with. So along with a 2 year old fire extinguisher needing to be sent back to the manufacturer a £700 composite seat that has been used 5 times needing replacing because it's too old i have another £50 to find for no reason i can see benefits me in any way.
I don't have to pay for my medical so i'm not getting it back there,fking robdogs.