Uk club racing after covid19?
Discussion
BertBert said:
I think it will be longer than we might hope. I can't see how people can race and observe social distancing. So that has to stop to allow racing to continue.
Sadly my wife is very vulnerable so I am unlikely to be able to go out racing any time soon.
Bert
How many passengers do you have when racing! Rallying not included.Sadly my wife is very vulnerable so I am unlikely to be able to go out racing any time soon.
Bert
things that MUK need to consider to be implemented soon, if not for next year.
competition licences to be 'chipped' like a credit card to enable 'swiping' at registration/sign on rather than the physical act of signing on. Maybe even remote sign on. In extension to this the new comp licence to include all drivers details and number of races completed that year stored and uploaded into central database. I am not sure that after the licence has been issued currently whether the MUK have any record of the number of races /rallies entered by each competitor. If I was running MUK I'd consider this useful info.
E- log books for all competition cars so that scrutineering can be done online, with only occasional random checks on the day ( pre warned obviously to the impacted competitor). Based on a template for the competitor or maybe scrutineer to fill in. Again records held centrally and accidents logged and re photoed when repaired. Indeed a car involved in an accident could be automatically pulled for scrutineering if the new comp licence was updated with the results at the end of each day.
In summary the admin body of motorsport now needs to get with the 1990's and update its administrative processes and COVID 19 might FORCE them to.
competition licences to be 'chipped' like a credit card to enable 'swiping' at registration/sign on rather than the physical act of signing on. Maybe even remote sign on. In extension to this the new comp licence to include all drivers details and number of races completed that year stored and uploaded into central database. I am not sure that after the licence has been issued currently whether the MUK have any record of the number of races /rallies entered by each competitor. If I was running MUK I'd consider this useful info.
E- log books for all competition cars so that scrutineering can be done online, with only occasional random checks on the day ( pre warned obviously to the impacted competitor). Based on a template for the competitor or maybe scrutineer to fill in. Again records held centrally and accidents logged and re photoed when repaired. Indeed a car involved in an accident could be automatically pulled for scrutineering if the new comp licence was updated with the results at the end of each day.
In summary the admin body of motorsport now needs to get with the 1990's and update its administrative processes and COVID 19 might FORCE them to.
An interesting point that Liverpool Motor Club have put up, and that is that the number of people at a "gathering" could be restricted.
So if it was set at say 200 that would stop virtually all circuit racing, a few sprints and hillclimbs may possibly run. Rallying may prove interesting.
So if it was set at say 200 that would stop virtually all circuit racing, a few sprints and hillclimbs may possibly run. Rallying may prove interesting.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
things that MUK need to consider to be implemented soon, if not for next year.
competition licences to be 'chipped' like a credit card to enable 'swiping' at registration/sign on rather than the physical act of signing on. Maybe even remote sign on. In extension to this the new comp licence to include all drivers details and number of races completed that year stored and uploaded into central database. I am not sure that after the licence has been issued currently whether the MUK have any record of the number of races /rallies entered by each competitor. If I was running MUK I'd consider this useful info.
E- log books for all competition cars so that scrutineering can be done online, with only occasional random checks on the day ( pre warned obviously to the impacted competitor). Based on a template for the competitor or maybe scrutineer to fill in. Again records held centrally and accidents logged and re photoed when repaired. Indeed a car involved in an accident could be automatically pulled for scrutineering if the new comp licence was updated with the results at the end of each day.
In summary the admin body of motorsport now needs to get with the 1990's and update its administrative processes and COVID 19 might FORCE them to.
They already put enough in place before it all shut down. You would show your licence but not pass it over. No different to someone on a till.competition licences to be 'chipped' like a credit card to enable 'swiping' at registration/sign on rather than the physical act of signing on. Maybe even remote sign on. In extension to this the new comp licence to include all drivers details and number of races completed that year stored and uploaded into central database. I am not sure that after the licence has been issued currently whether the MUK have any record of the number of races /rallies entered by each competitor. If I was running MUK I'd consider this useful info.
E- log books for all competition cars so that scrutineering can be done online, with only occasional random checks on the day ( pre warned obviously to the impacted competitor). Based on a template for the competitor or maybe scrutineer to fill in. Again records held centrally and accidents logged and re photoed when repaired. Indeed a car involved in an accident could be automatically pulled for scrutineering if the new comp licence was updated with the results at the end of each day.
In summary the admin body of motorsport now needs to get with the 1990's and update its administrative processes and COVID 19 might FORCE them to.
Not having cars scruitineered is asking for disaster. You pull your car up and step back, then they look at it.
Problem will be marshalls and scrutineers though, alot of them are older so I'm not sure there would be enough available if they are still isolating.
Drumroll said:
An interesting point that Liverpool Motor Club have put up, and that is that the number of people at a "gathering" could be restricted.
So if it was set at say 200 that would stop virtually all circuit racing, a few sprints and hillclimbs may possibly run. Rallying may prove interesting.
but what if it was set at 500?So if it was set at say 200 that would stop virtually all circuit racing, a few sprints and hillclimbs may possibly run. Rallying may prove interesting.
It's really simple, 1 ticket issued per driver, 300 drivers per event, leaves 150 spaces for Marshall and 50 for admin.
or you allow 2 tickets per competitor but only have half the competitors. ( and maybe when JP says all parties need to get together to work on costs, he is thinking of reducing his track hire fees to support the latter proposal.). - unlikely as JP doesn't do charity.
Zoobeef said:
Not having cars scruitineered is asking for disaster. You pull your car up and step back, then they look at it.
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I couldn't disagree more. Scrutineering is a bit hit a miss in terms of the quality of review at the best of times. And how isan informally trained scrutineer better than a detailed proforma all photo'd and reviewed and then signed off if ok at Motorsport house less robust..
Random scrutineering checks will stop people turning up with fuel pissing out of the petrol tank. They still do that sometimes now.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
I couldn't disagree more. Scrutineering is a bit hit a miss in terms of the quality of review at the best of times. And how isan informally trained scrutineer better than a detailed proforma all photo'd and reviewed and then signed off if ok at Motorsport house less robust.
Random scrutineering checks will stop people turning up with fuel pissing out of the petrol tank. They still do that sometimes now.
Whens the photo from and do you really trust anything anyone says?Random scrutineering checks will stop people turning up with fuel pissing out of the petrol tank. They still do that sometimes now.
There's very minimal risk of a scruitineer looking at the car, garages are still open doing it every day, public transport is still running having multiples of people over it.
Yet you think going near someone else's car will kill you now?
Zoobeef said:
Whens the photo from and do you really trust anything anyone says?
There's very minimal risk of a scruitineer looking at the car, garages are still open doing it every day, public transport is still running having multiples of people over it.
Yet you think going near someone else's car will kill you now?
that's not the reason to do it. The reason to do it is because the format of a race day hasn't changed for at least 25 years and probably ever. Having an e-log book would along with e-sign could allow all the pre race processes to be completed before you get there, this allows you to potentially turn up later on the race day, so if you live three hours from a circuit you might not need to camp over the night before, thus reducing costs and potentially increasing participation. I know that I think twice about a longer journey to a race track then a local one. I rarely venture to Cadwell, but might if I can start the day a bit later.Also having an electronic record of your race/rally car perhaps linked to results allows a bit more certainty for the purchaser of what they are buying as the details will be logged at time of build ( for example) so if it says it has a blah blah ECU you can check it. Also this would help with any race cars that are stolen as you can cross check similar models at the next meeting for valid ownership. Also as mentioned if you crash the car, you can complete the repairs, take photos, upload to the MUK for review, and then have a physical inspection at the next race.There's very minimal risk of a scruitineer looking at the car, garages are still open doing it every day, public transport is still running having multiples of people over it.
Yet you think going near someone else's car will kill you now?
It's part of the modernising of the sport that MUK should be implementing but I fear that the MUK is populated by admin managers and not entrepreneurs!
covboy said:
How do we see (volunteer) Marshals deal with the extraction of a driver whoi doesn't have the capability of getting himself out of the car ?
One suggestion is that "on post marshals" won't have any close contact with competitors, but incidents will be dealt with by rescue units. One of the problems is that whilst you can position most marshals so they are 2 metres apart, you can't do that with a rescue unit/ doctors car. There are lots of options being discussed, but the big question mark is how many marshals etc. will be available.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
that's not the reason to do it. The reason to do it is because the format of a race day hasn't changed for at least 25 years and probably ever. Having an e-log book would along with e-sign could allow all the pre race processes to be completed before you get there, this allows you to potentially turn up later on the race day, so if you live three hours from a circuit you might not need to camp over the night before, thus reducing costs and potentially increasing participation. I know that I think twice about a longer journey to a race track then a local one. I rarely venture to Cadwell, but might if I can start the day a bit later.Also having an electronic record of your race/rally car perhaps linked to results allows a bit more certainty for the purchaser of what they are buying as the details will be logged at time of build ( for example) so if it says it has a blah blah ECU you can check it. Also this would help with any race cars that are stolen as you can cross check similar models at the next meeting for valid ownership. Also as mentioned if you crash the car, you can complete the repairs, take photos, upload to the MUK for review, and then have a physical inspection at the next race.
It's part of the modernising of the sport that MUK should be implementing but I fear that the MUK is populated by admin managers and not entrepreneurs!
I'm not convinced at all. The sign on processes take very little time. I shudder at the thought of crappy new computer systems taking the place of a sign-on sheet for each race. You can't scrutineer a car by photo either.It's part of the modernising of the sport that MUK should be implementing but I fear that the MUK is populated by admin managers and not entrepreneurs!
As an example of vileness, take the new mylaps transponders. Bung full of the most complex technology for absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Sat there with your laptop connected to the pile of crap in the paddock upgrading firmware before you can go and get timed on a track.
Bert
There won't be anything that costs any money. No circuits will buy it. They are facing financial disaster this year. They are not going to spend on something that brings no money into their coffers and does the same job as a paper form and a biro. MSUK are trying to reduce costs to members, and hence the fees they charge, not find ways to increase them!
It wouldn't be ready for next year anyway. Suppliers are closed, people are in lock down. There needs to be research, agreement as to specifications, sales pitches, demonstrations, tendering, contracts signed, manufacturing and testing, before any roll-out. And you can just bet that MSUK will want product A, MSVR will want B, BARC will want C......
It wouldn't be ready for next year anyway. Suppliers are closed, people are in lock down. There needs to be research, agreement as to specifications, sales pitches, demonstrations, tendering, contracts signed, manufacturing and testing, before any roll-out. And you can just bet that MSUK will want product A, MSVR will want B, BARC will want C......
Drumroll said:
covboy said:
How do we see (volunteer) Marshals deal with the extraction of a driver whoi doesn't have the capability of getting himself out of the car ?
One suggestion is that "on post marshals" won't have any close contact with competitors, but incidents will be dealt with by rescue units. One of the problems is that whilst you can position most marshals so they are 2 metres apart, you can't do that with a rescue unit/ doctors car. There are lots of options being discussed, but the big question mark is how many marshals etc. will be available.
Whether there are enough younger scrutineers and senior officials is a decent question.
A low key / closed door sprint at an isolated airfield seems the most likely starting point.
Problem with a E-logbook and proposing the car does not requiring scrutiny at the meeting is it’s like an MoT, only good on the day it’s tested. You are relying on your fellow competitors to not modify the car after the logbook is approved and ensure the car stays legal and in accordance with the regulations.
I think Circuits will be keen for track days and they will be allowed back a few months ahead of Circuit motorsport owing to the reduced infrastructure required
I think Circuits will be keen for track days and they will be allowed back a few months ahead of Circuit motorsport owing to the reduced infrastructure required
The general easing is pointing that way, MSV were pretty hesitant to close them down in the first place and all the circuits need the income.
It’s ok now to travel to work or exercise, we aren’t far off it being an option and to prove that Blyton announced today that they are restarting........
My crystal ball says June 1st for most tracks but it may be wrong.
It’s ok now to travel to work or exercise, we aren’t far off it being an option and to prove that Blyton announced today that they are restarting........
My crystal ball says June 1st for most tracks but it may be wrong.
Steve H said:
The general easing is pointing that way, MSV were pretty hesitant to close them down in the first place and all the circuits need the income.
It’s ok now to travel to work or exercise, we aren’t far off it being an option and to prove that Blyton announced today that they are restarting........
My crystal ball says June 1st for most tracks but it may be wrong.
All seems generally positive! I see that Combe are aiming for June track days, but with all public events cancelled.It’s ok now to travel to work or exercise, we aren’t far off it being an option and to prove that Blyton announced today that they are restarting........
My crystal ball says June 1st for most tracks but it may be wrong.
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