Uk club racing after covid19?

[shortshift]

I would think the smart people at MSV, Javelin et all will be trying to get some clarity ASAP on whether they can run a track day event and stay within the new guide lines. Personally, I think it should be fairly straight forward and June should be eminently do-able. Race event's on the other hand will take longer. Everything depends now on how the general population react to the loosening, however minimal, and if they can exercise restraint and common sense to keep the R rate below 1. Fingers crossed!

[Zoobeef]

Blyton Park announced today that they were restarting, and straight away got a barrage from the "you'll kill everyone" brigade.

[anonymous-user]

df76 said:

Steve H said:

I’d suggest trackdays will be back on during June

What makes you think that?

For starters they don’t require MSA permits or the same level of infrastructure, Such as Administration, scrutineering, medical cover etc, as a race meeting.

The circuit can organise them and put in place any necessary safety measures.

Drivers are usually fairly local to the circuit and don’t travel hundreds of miles around the country as they would if they were competing in a championship.

[df76]

pablo said:

df76 said:

Steve H said:

I’d suggest trackdays will be back on during June

What makes you think that?

For starters they don’t require MSA permits or the same level of infrastructure, Such as Administration, scrutineering, medical cover etc, as a race meeting.

The circuit can organise them and put in place any necessary safety measures.

Drivers are usually fairly local to the circuit and don’t travel hundreds of miles around the country as they would if they were competing in a championship.

Yes, aware of all of that but was hoping for some actual positive news from circuits. Which we did get yesterday in the end (fingers crossed).

[Nampahc Niloc]

Zoobeef said:

Blyton Park announced today that they were restarting, and straight away got a barrage from the "you'll kill everyone" brigade.

Where did you read/see/here this? I can’t find it anywhere.

[Zoobeef]

Nampahc Niloc said:

Where did you read/see/here this? I can’t find it anywhere.

On their Facebook page. Its still there.

[Nampahc Niloc]

Zoobeef said:

On their Facebook page. Its still there.

Thanks. Having read the comments, in particular the one where someone put a screenshot of the following page, I feel Blyton Park are probably on shaky ground.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronav...

“ use outdoor sports courts or facilities, such as a tennis or basketball court, or golf course – with members of your household, or one other person while staying 2 metres apart”

Unless you have the track to just yourself, it doesn’t really fit the guidance.

[Zoobeef]

Nampahc Niloc said:

Thanks. Having read the comments, in particular the one where someone put a screenshot of the following page, I feel Blyton Park are probably on shaky ground.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronav...

“ use outdoor sports courts or facilities, such as a tennis or basketball court, or golf course – with members of your household, or one other person while staying 2 metres apart”

Unless you have the track to just yourself, it doesn’t really fit the guidance.

So are these golfers going to have all 18 holes to themselves?
Are the people fishing going to bagsy the lakes and rivers to each household?

[Dan BSCS]

I see no reason why Blyton can’t run test days. There’s never more than 5 or 6 people there.

Dan

[Nampahc Niloc]

Zoobeef said:

So are these golfers going to have all 18 holes to themselves?
Are the people fishing going to bagsy the lakes and rivers to each household?

That’s a very good point.

[andy97]

Zoobeef said:

So are these golfers going to have all 18 holes to themselves?

No, but very easy to stay way more that 2m apart at all times. That can be done at a track on a track/ test day, too. Except where you may need strapping in to a car, or need a marshal or medical person to help a driver. That said, I would expect track and test days to start to proliferate once people get used to the new rules.

[BertBert]

Sounds like HSCC is planning on opening up entries for races from mid July to be prepared in case they are allowed to run by then.
Bert

[Zoobeef]

MSV have just announced that testing will start from the 18th and trackdays from the 26th at all their circuits.

[Rockatansky]

The statement from brscc suggests we'll hear something from motorsport UK on Monday.

https://brscc.co.uk/brscc-update-statement-15-05-2...

[Steve H]

Steve H said:

The general easing is pointing that way, MSV were pretty hesitant to close them down in the first place and all the circuits need the income.

It’s ok now to travel to work or exercise, we aren’t far off it being an option and to prove that Blyton announced today that they are restarting........

My crystal ball says June 1st for most tracks but it may be wrong.

Damn crystal ball was five days out

[LucyP]

Rockatansky said:

The statement from brscc suggests we'll hear something from motorsport UK on Monday.

https://brscc.co.uk/brscc-update-statement-15-05-2...

They are going to send out a - "How to" manual on Monday. That doesn't mean that it will be agreed, or approved, or whether anyone will want to.

No one seems keen to return to work. No one seems keen to send their child back to school.

Racing will still be banned until after the end of June.

[Nampahc Niloc]

LucyP said:

No one seems keen to return to work. No one seems keen to send their child back to school.

Racing will still be banned until after the end of June.

“No one” is a massive exaggeration. I know plenty of people who are keen to get back to work and are keen to get their kids back to school. I also know plenty of racers who are keen to get back on track. If risk can be reduced to a reasonable level then we should be doing these things. There is a big difference between perceived risk and actual risk.

[cjslator]

The problem with predicting race meetings will run from ddmmyy is that all decisions need to be fluid, and will be completely dependent on the R value staying low as restrictions ease. Additionally, MS UK will be setting the policy on how a meeting will be run to allow for distancing and minimise risk to the nation. For example, I very much doubt that any marshal posts in the UK will be large enough to cater for all mandated marshals as stipulated in the blue book whilst maintaining social distancing.

There must be a reduced level of contact from rescue / marshal staff in order to limit the risk of infection spread, such as 'marshal will have no contact with a vehicle or driver in the event of any accident unless there is a risk to life', or similar. It would be interested to see whether anyone with personal injury insurance would receive a payout in the unfortunate event they had an accident and weren't attended to immediately as you normally expect.

With respect to trackdays, all the major organisers have joined ATDO, an association to deliver trackdays to a set safe standard. The current guidance from MSV-T states that social distancing will be adhered to and that passengers will only be permitted from within a household. I imagine TDO PLI is issued on the grounds that they're ATDO members, and most trackday insurance policies don't cover non-ATDO arranged days. The ATDO code of conduct insists that at a minimum ARDS Grade B or higher are used for car trackdays. Additionally, using video to deliver a mandatory briefing doesn't follow the code of conduct. This brings into question the validity of PLI and any insurance policies used by participants when the event isn't being run to the industry standard. Much like whether you receive an insurance payout after being involved in a car accident with tyres which weren't E-marked for example.

[Nampahc Niloc]

Some very good points. You would hope they would have considered that already. Why would the ARDS grade B requirement be a problem?

[cjslator]

Nampahc Niloc said:

Some very good points. You would hope they would have considered that already. Why would the ARDS grade B requirement be a problem?

Because unless they're from the same household as the customer they'll not be able to provide the required service without breaching the distancing rule. And it would be very dubious to say that a Grade B instructor could instruct from video after a session, the whole reason a Grade B is required is because they're considered experienced enough to instruct in a car on a trackday. If video instruction/coaching was sufficient the minimum grade would be C.