Uk club racing after covid19?
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With so few marshals there will be a lot of safety car periods etc and if anything serious happens you may have to cancel the rest of the meeting. (All those attending will need to "decontaminate" as well as equipment and vehicles) Going to be interesting. Glad I have decided to step back this year, unless things change drastically.
Drumroll said:
With so few marshals there will be a lot of safety car periods etc and if anything serious happens you may have to cancel the rest of the meeting. (All those attending will need to "decontaminate" as well as equipment and vehicles) Going to be interesting. Glad I have decided to step back this year, unless things change drastically.
What do you mean decontaminate? Its not a chemical weapon.Zoobeef said:
Drumroll said:
With so few marshals there will be a lot of safety car periods etc and if anything serious happens you may have to cancel the rest of the meeting. (All those attending will need to "decontaminate" as well as equipment and vehicles) Going to be interesting. Glad I have decided to step back this year, unless things change drastically.
What do you mean decontaminate? Its not a chemical weapon.Zoobeef said:
Drumroll said:
With so few marshals there will be a lot of safety car periods etc and if anything serious happens you may have to cancel the rest of the meeting. (All those attending will need to "decontaminate" as well as equipment and vehicles) Going to be interesting. Glad I have decided to step back this year, unless things change drastically.
What do you mean decontaminate? Its not a chemical weapon.Vehicles will need to be deep cleaned, standard time is about 2 hours All protective clothing used by medics /rescue crew will need to be changed. showers etc. Normal fireproof overalls will need to be changed. Any gear used will need to deep cleaned as well.
Drumroll said:
Vehicles will need to be deep cleaned, standard time is about 2 hours All protective clothing used by medics /rescue crew will need to be changed. showers etc. Normal fireproof overalls will need to be changed. Any gear used will need to deep cleaned as well.
Ahh so you mean, wipe the steering wheel before a different marshal uses the vehicle. Got you.Drumroll said:
Zoobeef said:
Drumroll said:
With so few marshals there will be a lot of safety car periods etc and if anything serious happens you may have to cancel the rest of the meeting. (All those attending will need to "decontaminate" as well as equipment and vehicles) Going to be interesting. Glad I have decided to step back this year, unless things change drastically.
What do you mean decontaminate? Its not a chemical weapon.Vehicles will need to be deep cleaned, standard time is about 2 hours All protective clothing used by medics /rescue crew will need to be changed. showers etc. Normal fireproof overalls will need to be changed. Any gear used will need to deep cleaned as well.
This is taken from Government guidelines re Ambulances:
7.2 Any vehicle when AGP procedures have been performed (such as intubation, suctioning, or full ALS cardiopulmonary resuscitation)
The vehicle will require an enhanced decontamination of all exposed surfaces, equipment and contact areas before it is returned to normal operational duties, with a chlorine-based product (or approved equivalent).
Appropriate PPE must be worn to decontaminate the vehicle – as a minimum, this should include apron and gloves (follow COSHH guidance for protective equipment when using chlorine).
Any exposed equipment (that is not within closed compartments) left on the vehicle will require decontamination with a universal detergent followed by chlorine-based solution at 1,000 parts per million (or approved equivalent disinfectant).
Working from top to bottom in a systematic process, all exposed surfaces will require decontamination with a universal detergent followed by a chlorine-based solution at 1,000 parts per million (or approved equivalent).
Pay special attention to all touch points.
Ensure that the stretcher is fully decontaminated, including the underneath and the base.
The vehicle floor should be decontaminated with a detergent solution followed by a chlorine-based solution at 1,000 parts per million (or approved equivalent), this should be facilitated by the receiving department. Where possible hospitals should support this practice by working with ambulance colleagues to identify access to appropriate sluice facilities and designated mop and bucket storage for ambulance use.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-1...
Cant be bothered to find the other links. But hay feel free to take the p8ss when you don't know the facts.
Nobody will risk not following these guidelines.
7.2 Any vehicle when AGP procedures have been performed (such as intubation, suctioning, or full ALS cardiopulmonary resuscitation)
The vehicle will require an enhanced decontamination of all exposed surfaces, equipment and contact areas before it is returned to normal operational duties, with a chlorine-based product (or approved equivalent).
Appropriate PPE must be worn to decontaminate the vehicle – as a minimum, this should include apron and gloves (follow COSHH guidance for protective equipment when using chlorine).
Any exposed equipment (that is not within closed compartments) left on the vehicle will require decontamination with a universal detergent followed by chlorine-based solution at 1,000 parts per million (or approved equivalent disinfectant).
Working from top to bottom in a systematic process, all exposed surfaces will require decontamination with a universal detergent followed by a chlorine-based solution at 1,000 parts per million (or approved equivalent).
Pay special attention to all touch points.
Ensure that the stretcher is fully decontaminated, including the underneath and the base.
The vehicle floor should be decontaminated with a detergent solution followed by a chlorine-based solution at 1,000 parts per million (or approved equivalent), this should be facilitated by the receiving department. Where possible hospitals should support this practice by working with ambulance colleagues to identify access to appropriate sluice facilities and designated mop and bucket storage for ambulance use.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-1...
Cant be bothered to find the other links. But hay feel free to take the p8ss when you don't know the facts.
Nobody will risk not following these guidelines.
And no one uses a stretcher these days, (or calls it Casualty or people Ambulance Drivers)
All circuit paramedics and technicians in an ambulance will do that job in their real life and they will be used to following those rules which they have been doing for the last 8 weeks at work at their NHS Ambulance Service.
Why will there be a marshal shortage? Most club meetings don't have many marshals on post.
All circuit paramedics and technicians in an ambulance will do that job in their real life and they will be used to following those rules which they have been doing for the last 8 weeks at work at their NHS Ambulance Service.
Why will there be a marshal shortage? Most club meetings don't have many marshals on post.
LucyP said:
And no one uses a stretcher these days, (or calls it Casualty or people Ambulance Drivers)
All circuit paramedics and technicians in an ambulance will do that job in their real life and they will be used to following those rules which they have been doing for the last 8 weeks at work at their NHS Ambulance Service.
Why will there be a marshal shortage? Most club meetings don't have many marshals on post.
Come on Lucy please tell me what ambulances us now instead of stretchers, (trolley, Gurney is just another name) Trying to "split hairs" when it is obvious what is being talked about only makes you look foolish. All circuit paramedics and technicians in an ambulance will do that job in their real life and they will be used to following those rules which they have been doing for the last 8 weeks at work at their NHS Ambulance Service.
Why will there be a marshal shortage? Most club meetings don't have many marshals on post.
Only 2 marshals are to be allocated per post, they are not to be used for intervention (I believe in part to mitigate the need for AGP protection for marshals on post) So the need for more safety cars/red flags in inevitable. (If you actually read the guidelines it recognises this)
As I said earlier an Ambulance decontamination takes about 2 hours so that takes that vehicle out for at least 2 hours. Added to this the Resus room in the medical centre will need to go through a similar procedure.
Although it says rescue units will not transport casualties any equipment used and the staff on them will still have to follow similar guidelines
So whilst losing one ambulance may not stop the meeting the fact the medical centre will out for a similar time and the rescue unit will also need to stand down may well mean the meeting will come to a premature end.
“ 7.2 Any vehicle when AGP procedures have been performed (such as intubation, suctioning, or full ALS cardiopulmonary resuscitation)”
You don’t need full decontamination every time the ambulance is used. How often is intubation required at a race meeting? Pretty rarely and I suspect the meeting would be over anyway because the medics will be doing more than just driving away from the accident.
You don’t need full decontamination every time the ambulance is used. How often is intubation required at a race meeting? Pretty rarely and I suspect the meeting would be over anyway because the medics will be doing more than just driving away from the accident.
Nampahc Niloc said:
“ 7.2 Any vehicle when AGP procedures have been performed (such as intubation, suctioning, or full ALS cardiopulmonary resuscitation)”
You don’t need full decontamination every time the ambulance is used. How often is intubation required at a race meeting? Pretty rarely and I suspect the meeting would be over anyway because the medics will be doing more than just driving away from the accident.
True, and I never said it would be frequent, but by the same token you can't say it won't happen. You don’t need full decontamination every time the ambulance is used. How often is intubation required at a race meeting? Pretty rarely and I suspect the meeting would be over anyway because the medics will be doing more than just driving away from the accident.
Drumroll said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
“ 7.2 Any vehicle when AGP procedures have been performed (such as intubation, suctioning, or full ALS cardiopulmonary resuscitation)”
You don’t need full decontamination every time the ambulance is used. How often is intubation required at a race meeting? Pretty rarely and I suspect the meeting would be over anyway because the medics will be doing more than just driving away from the accident.
True, and I never said it would be frequent, but by the same token you can't say it won't happen. You don’t need full decontamination every time the ambulance is used. How often is intubation required at a race meeting? Pretty rarely and I suspect the meeting would be over anyway because the medics will be doing more than just driving away from the accident.
mcdjl said:
Drumroll said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
“ 7.2 Any vehicle when AGP procedures have been performed (such as intubation, suctioning, or full ALS cardiopulmonary resuscitation)”
You don’t need full decontamination every time the ambulance is used. How often is intubation required at a race meeting? Pretty rarely and I suspect the meeting would be over anyway because the medics will be doing more than just driving away from the accident.
True, and I never said it would be frequent, but by the same token you can't say it won't happen. You don’t need full decontamination every time the ambulance is used. How often is intubation required at a race meeting? Pretty rarely and I suspect the meeting would be over anyway because the medics will be doing more than just driving away from the accident.
The real positives are that the clubs are now making firm plans to get events done, and that they have several weeks to iron out the significant challenges that are faced by everyone. Believe that the MSUK will soon be publishing much more detailed plans for marshalling for example. Let's hope we're in a slightly different place by July, which might make it a little more feasible.
It be interesting too see the numbers of people entering these races. I was due to start my first year of club racing this year but due to the virus have decided its best to save money for a house over wasting money racing at this current point.
I suspect most club races are seriously considering if it is worth the cost when many will be either on furlough or working for companies that are in risk of laying people off.
Castle combe does have a pretty decent turn out for its championship the hot hatch and saloon car championship usually have 30+ grids with the ff1600 and gt championship with 20 or so in each.
Looking at some of the barc run championships with combined races not even getting north of 15 cars I suspect club racing will look very different with many championships either merging too boost grids or folding all together. For example do we really need 4 different mx5 championships in the uk the mk1.
I suspect most club races are seriously considering if it is worth the cost when many will be either on furlough or working for companies that are in risk of laying people off.
Castle combe does have a pretty decent turn out for its championship the hot hatch and saloon car championship usually have 30+ grids with the ff1600 and gt championship with 20 or so in each.
Looking at some of the barc run championships with combined races not even getting north of 15 cars I suspect club racing will look very different with many championships either merging too boost grids or folding all together. For example do we really need 4 different mx5 championships in the uk the mk1.
The last club race I watched last year was the barc truck meeting at pembrey.
The welsh saloon and sports car championship had 17 cars.
Monoposto teideman trophy had 20 cars.
Legends series had 17 cars
MGOC had 12 cars
Truck class 1, 7 class 2, 11 trucks.
So 5 championships with less than 100 cars not exactly great and this isn't that uncommon specially for barc run events.
The welsh saloon and sports car championship had 17 cars.
Monoposto teideman trophy had 20 cars.
Legends series had 17 cars
MGOC had 12 cars
Truck class 1, 7 class 2, 11 trucks.
So 5 championships with less than 100 cars not exactly great and this isn't that uncommon specially for barc run events.
MG CHRIS said:
The last club race I watched last year was the barc truck meeting at pembrey.
The welsh saloon and sports car championship had 17 cars.
Monoposto teideman trophy had 20 cars.
Legends series had 17 cars
MGOC had 12 cars
Truck class 1, 7 class 2, 11 trucks.
So 5 championships with less than 100 cars not exactly great and this isn't that uncommon specially for barc run events.
As with any business now, many won't survive if not top of their game. Going to be a case of "use it or lose it".The welsh saloon and sports car championship had 17 cars.
Monoposto teideman trophy had 20 cars.
Legends series had 17 cars
MGOC had 12 cars
Truck class 1, 7 class 2, 11 trucks.
So 5 championships with less than 100 cars not exactly great and this isn't that uncommon specially for barc run events.
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