Uk club racing after covid19?

Uk club racing after covid19?

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Kraken

1,418 posts

155 months

Sunday 12th April
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
I thought they has 15 mill lying around to build the castle in the sky in Bicester.

Interestingly the fund is only open if you've gone through every other avenue. Also I would personally prefer it if the MUK handed out a million quid to lower competitors costs. I think we all need a grant of some sort
The new base is funded by the sale of the old one which is worth more money despite being a lot smaller because of where it's located.

Makes sense that the fund is open for when all other avenues are exhausted. It's supposed to be a survival fund.

covboy

2,347 posts

129 months

Sunday 12th April
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Drumroll said:
As for having a lot of money "lying around" that is a contingency fund in case they get another large claim.
Isn't that what insursnce is for ?

Drumroll

2,179 posts

75 months

Sunday 12th April
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covboy said:
Drumroll said:
As for having a lot of money "lying around" that is a contingency fund in case they get another large claim.
Isn't that what insursnce is for ?
Yes, but premiums reflect risk. (there are currently several possible high value claims being dealt with) My understanding is that by limiting the value of any claim they can bring the premiums down, provided there is a contingency fund to cover any shortfall.

df76

2,366 posts

233 months

Monday 13th April
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MG CHRIS said:
True however I cant see big motorsport events taking place there is no way government will allow mass gatherings of people together until way into September if not the rest of the year.
Haven’t seen anything to suggest this isn’t likely to be accurate. In the best case scenario I could imagine some non-spectator motorsport events happening from September, but nothing like a “normal” race meeting until this time next year.

MG CHRIS

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7,024 posts

122 months

Monday 13th April
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df76 said:
MG CHRIS said:
True however I cant see big motorsport events taking place there is no way government will allow mass gatherings of people together until way into September if not the rest of the year.
Haven’t seen anything to suggest this isn’t likely to be accurate. In the best case scenario I could imagine some non-spectator motorsport events happening from September, but nothing like a “normal” race meeting until this time next year.
I think sprints hill climbs and trackdays will be allowed but with social distancing in place either out door briefings or online and no spectators allowed. Maybe a few small club meets but there is no way the likes of btcc goodwood revivals f1 etc etc will take place.

bqf

1,817 posts

126 months

Tuesday 28th April
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Just to be clear, when club racing returns I will forego food, heating, clothes, netflix, beer, wine, and all other unnecessary expenditure to get my fat a8s onto a race track as soon as possible. hehe

I am properly missing it. This crisis has made me realise, or perhaps re-confirmed, that I really couldn't give a monkeys about road cars and what I really enjoy about cars is racing.

Kraken

1,418 posts

155 months

Tuesday 28th April
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I'll be very surprised if there is any club racing this year. I just don't see how the infrastructure can cope with all the professional level stuff in such a short amount of time crammed in with club racing on top.

Dynion Araf Uchaf

2,499 posts

178 months

Tuesday 28th April
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Kraken said:
I'll be very surprised if there is any club racing this year. I just don't see how the infrastructure can cope with all the professional level stuff in such a short amount of time crammed in with club racing on top.
I can't see any professional racing occurring at Mallory, Pembrey or maybe Cadwell. Perhaps bikes maybe. Also maybe we start club racing on mid week days? If it's cheaper, and we all have some holiday left then it might be possible?

Drumroll

2,179 posts

75 months

Tuesday 28th April
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
I can't see any professional racing occurring at Mallory, Pembrey or maybe Cadwell. Perhaps bikes maybe. Also maybe we start club racing on mid week days? If it's cheaper, and we all have some holiday left then it might be possible?
There were some midweek evening meetings a few years back at Silverstone. Not the most successful events.

WickerBill

20 posts

3 months

Wednesday 29th April
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MG CHRIS said:
I think sprints hill climbs and trackdays will be allowed but with social distancing in place either out door briefings or online and no spectators allowed. Maybe a few small club meets but there is no way the likes of btcc goodwood revivals f1 etc etc will take place.
Think you’re onto something there. What people seem to forget (including comments about midweek events) is the marshals.....

Not stereotyping but while there is a mix of ages, there are a lot on the older side of life...especially those who could forgo work and do midweek meetings. Sprints/ hill climbs are much easier to ‘man up’ with less incidents/ single cars etc, track days the same...and they are a good money maker for circuits when compared to club meetings.

Tbh at this point I don’t care what events go ahead this year...I just know il be there! God I’m bored!

pablo

14,948 posts

228 months

Wednesday 29th April
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“Behind closed doors” will still require a lot of infrastructure such as MSA Clerks, scrutineers, marshals, rescue crews and paramedics. Most of whom have day jobs and couldn’t spare time midweek. Plus you’re always going to get dheads trying to get in to the circuit to spectate using whatever excuse they can think of, or a car full of mates turning up with bonafide competitors as “crew” etc. I’d be surprised if club stuff took place this year.

Track days are viable requiring much less infrastructure but will still require some common sense. If no thing happens for a while, it’s no big deal in the scale of things.

Kraken

1,418 posts

155 months

Wednesday 29th April
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
I can't see any professional racing occurring at Mallory, Pembrey or maybe Cadwell. Perhaps bikes maybe. Also maybe we start club racing on mid week days? If it's cheaper, and we all have some holiday left then it might be possible?
Where are the marshalls and medical staff coming from though? That was my point. With multiple large meetings on every weekend those resources are going to be stretched to breaking point even if they were at the pre-virus levels which is doubtful.

I can't see mid-week racing working with the travel involved. Plus many club racers are self-employed so I doubt they would want to be taking holiday after being shut down for all this time.

df76

2,366 posts

233 months

Wednesday 29th April
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Kraken said:
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
I can't see any professional racing occurring at Mallory, Pembrey or maybe Cadwell. Perhaps bikes maybe. Also maybe we start club racing on mid week days? If it's cheaper, and we all have some holiday left then it might be possible?
Where are the marshalls and medical staff coming from though? That was my point. With multiple large meetings on every weekend those resources are going to be stretched to breaking point even if they were at the pre-virus levels which is doubtful.

I can't see mid-week racing working with the travel involved. Plus many club racers are self-employed so I doubt they would want to be taking holiday after being shut down for all this time.
Agree that numbers of officials is a big issue, and many of the senior "staff" and scruts can be of a certain age as well. A significant challenge. But I've marshalled at Cadwell when there has been a very limited marshalling team and it was supplemented by drivers on rotation. So it can be flexible, especially if you commit to the use of safety cars and fast response vehicles even more.

Was about a decade ago when there were mid week evening races at Silverstone and Donington. Worked quite well and was televised if I recall. Perhaps time to think through all options.

I'm all a bit doubtful though.

Drumroll

2,179 posts

75 months

Wednesday 29th April
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The problem with using more response vehicles is you need more specialist staff. It has already been said medics and rescue crews will be at a premium.

Dynion Araf Uchaf

2,499 posts

178 months

Wednesday 29th April
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Kraken said:
Where are the marshalls and medical staff coming from though? That was my point. With multiple large meetings on every weekend those resources are going to be stretched to breaking point even if they were at the pre-virus levels which is doubtful.

I can't see mid-week racing working with the travel involved. Plus many club racers are self-employed so I doubt they would want to be taking holiday after being shut down for all this time.
Mid week racing would work and be supported if it is cheap enough. We are in different times to when it was run 10 years ago. Currently a race entry is north of £350 , midweek, and assuming a cheaper circuit hire then that entry might be nearer £200 maybe less. So you could balance out the loss of income with a reduced cost of competing.

However it does require the support of marshals, medics etc but this is not insurmountable.

Drumroll

2,179 posts

75 months

Wednesday 29th April
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
Mid week racing would work and be supported if it is cheap enough. We are in different times to when it was run 10 years ago. Currently a race entry is north of £350 , midweek, and assuming a cheaper circuit hire then that entry might be nearer £200 maybe less. So you could balance out the loss of income with a reduced cost of competing.

However it does require the support of marshals, medics etc but this is not insurmountable.
Do you really believe a midweek meeting would be £150 less than a weekend one?

Dynion Araf Uchaf

2,499 posts

178 months

Wednesday 29th April
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Drumroll said:
Do you really believe a midweek meeting would be £150 less than a weekend one?
yes, because the circuit hire charges will ( should) be a lot less (circa 15k v 30k?). You only get 60 or so cars on a track day at Donington mid week, yet a trackday in the summer is around £250. So with say , 250 competitors it should be a lot less and certainly less than £200. A typical 750 MC meet has around 300 entries, so I'd say if mid week racing is the only option until the end of the year, then 250 competitors would turn up. I am not, however, advocating that this would be a weekly occurrence.

Drumroll

2,179 posts

75 months

Wednesday 29th April
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
yes, because the circuit hire charges will ( should) be a lot less (circa 15k v 30k?). You only get 60 or so cars on a track day at Donington mid week, yet a trackday in the summer is around £250. So with say , 250 competitors it should be a lot less and certainly less than £200. A typical 750 MC meet has around 300 entries, so I'd say if mid week racing is the only option until the end of the year, then 250 competitors would turn up. I am not, however, advocating that this would be a weekly occurrence.
What would be the incentive for a circuit to drop its fees by that much? Circuits are there to make money, they too have taken a hit and need to make money.

One of the clubs I am involved with hires a circuit for a rally when nothing else is going on, the track hire is only slightly less than for a normal race meeting.

Dynion Araf Uchaf

2,499 posts

178 months

Wednesday 29th April
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because they already do! A weekday track hire is less than a weekend track hire.

pablo

14,948 posts

228 months

Wednesday 29th April
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
because they already do! A weekday track hire is less than a weekend track hire.
Possibly because noise regs mean they have to run quieter cars during the week than at the weekend? Combe get hammered with complaints if cars exceed the dB limit and noisy weekends are in high demand.