ECU/PDM/Dash System
Discussion
I am looking to build a competitive GT Car, however it is only for club racing and I dont have an unlimited budget so wherever I can save some money allows for an increase in other areas.
I want to push myself slightly and learn about CAN systems and so this is the ideal opportunity to build a chassis loom as well as an engine loom and for them to communicate.
I need to find an ECU which is capable of running 3xEGT (happy to run an expander), 6 coils and 6 Injectors, DBW and a gearbox control system. The car is running a sequential box so I want to run paddles.
My first choice was LifeRacing as this offers a PDM, expanders for Analogue/CAN channels, Dash and a paddle system (even a hand clutch paddle too!)
There is obviously plenty of additional spec on the set up, however it would be an exceptionally long post! However I was wanting to look at alternatives and people's opinions who have worked with the hardware for use on track with set up, managing data and fault finding.
Other options would be Motec, ECU Master I am reading positive reviews on, or I look at alternatives with a choice of ECU, maybe the HP Electronik PDM and an AIM dash.
I look forward to your thoughts.
I want to push myself slightly and learn about CAN systems and so this is the ideal opportunity to build a chassis loom as well as an engine loom and for them to communicate.
I need to find an ECU which is capable of running 3xEGT (happy to run an expander), 6 coils and 6 Injectors, DBW and a gearbox control system. The car is running a sequential box so I want to run paddles.
My first choice was LifeRacing as this offers a PDM, expanders for Analogue/CAN channels, Dash and a paddle system (even a hand clutch paddle too!)
There is obviously plenty of additional spec on the set up, however it would be an exceptionally long post! However I was wanting to look at alternatives and people's opinions who have worked with the hardware for use on track with set up, managing data and fault finding.
Other options would be Motec, ECU Master I am reading positive reviews on, or I look at alternatives with a choice of ECU, maybe the HP Electronik PDM and an AIM dash.
I look forward to your thoughts.
I personally have gone for:
Emtron KV8 ECU
Aim MXS Dash / logger
HP Electronic PDM
OBR membrane switch panel (CAN)
They all talk to each other on the same CAN bus with a bit of faffing about.
Doing it again I would be tempted to keep everything in one stable... much easier to setup as everything talks out of the box (I would probably go Emtron for everything).
Another new kid on the block to look at is MaxxECU... offer the whole suite of bits and bobs... competitive pricing and feature set.
Emtron KV8 ECU
Aim MXS Dash / logger
HP Electronic PDM
OBR membrane switch panel (CAN)
They all talk to each other on the same CAN bus with a bit of faffing about.
Doing it again I would be tempted to keep everything in one stable... much easier to setup as everything talks out of the box (I would probably go Emtron for everything).
Another new kid on the block to look at is MaxxECU... offer the whole suite of bits and bobs... competitive pricing and feature set.
ECU master everything for me, unrivaled flexibility and compatibility for the price range.
We ran ECU master everything in our Club enduro M3, silly things like being able to set a 3 min countdown timer on the dash as soon as it sees 0 wheel/gps speed, and running all diff, gearbox, brake and engine fans at full speed while your on the pit limiter to try and get some cooling through while your at slower speeds in the pitlane helped massively.
We ran ECU master everything in our Club enduro M3, silly things like being able to set a 3 min countdown timer on the dash as soon as it sees 0 wheel/gps speed, and running all diff, gearbox, brake and engine fans at full speed while your on the pit limiter to try and get some cooling through while your at slower speeds in the pitlane helped massively.
jabbalad said:
ECU master everything for me, unrivaled flexibility and compatibility for the price range.
We ran ECU master everything in our Club enduro M3, silly things like being able to set a 3 min countdown timer on the dash as soon as it sees 0 wheel/gps speed, and running all diff, gearbox, brake and engine fans at full speed while your on the pit limiter to try and get some cooling through while your at slower speeds in the pitlane helped massively.
Thanks for the endorsement for ECU Master...I agree, and having been speaking to them, I believe this is the best way forward on my budget. They have a new Pro ECU being release soon which solves many problems and addresses some of the shortfalls of the black ECU, currently it wouldnt run our engine.We ran ECU master everything in our Club enduro M3, silly things like being able to set a 3 min countdown timer on the dash as soon as it sees 0 wheel/gps speed, and running all diff, gearbox, brake and engine fans at full speed while your on the pit limiter to try and get some cooling through while your at slower speeds in the pitlane helped massively.
So yes...one stop shop and the way forward!!
JontyR said:
I am looking to build a competitive GT Car, however it is only for club racing and I dont have an unlimited budget so wherever I can save some money allows for an increase in other areas.
I want to push myself slightly and learn about CAN systems and so this is the ideal opportunity to build a chassis loom as well as an engine loom and for them to communicate.
I need to find an ECU which is capable of running 3xEGT (happy to run an expander), 6 coils and 6 Injectors, DBW and a gearbox control system. The car is running a sequential box so I want to run paddles.
My first choice was LifeRacing as this offers a PDM, expanders for Analogue/CAN channels, Dash and a paddle system (even a hand clutch paddle too!)
There is obviously plenty of additional spec on the set up, however it would be an exceptionally long post! However I was wanting to look at alternatives and people's opinions who have worked with the hardware for use on track with set up, managing data and fault finding.
Other options would be Motec, ECU Master I am reading positive reviews on, or I look at alternatives with a choice of ECU, maybe the HP Electronik PDM and an AIM dash.
I look forward to your thoughts.
IMO, there is no better ecu system than the LifeRacing/Syvecs platform.I want to push myself slightly and learn about CAN systems and so this is the ideal opportunity to build a chassis loom as well as an engine loom and for them to communicate.
I need to find an ECU which is capable of running 3xEGT (happy to run an expander), 6 coils and 6 Injectors, DBW and a gearbox control system. The car is running a sequential box so I want to run paddles.
My first choice was LifeRacing as this offers a PDM, expanders for Analogue/CAN channels, Dash and a paddle system (even a hand clutch paddle too!)
There is obviously plenty of additional spec on the set up, however it would be an exceptionally long post! However I was wanting to look at alternatives and people's opinions who have worked with the hardware for use on track with set up, managing data and fault finding.
Other options would be Motec, ECU Master I am reading positive reviews on, or I look at alternatives with a choice of ECU, maybe the HP Electronik PDM and an AIM dash.
I look forward to your thoughts.
Life F88 or Syvecs S8 or S7Plus will do everything you need, albeit the only addition would be a box for the additional EGT/thermocouple channels.
But their ecu, software, logging etc is second to none. Factor that aspect in when it comes to analysing performance
If you need a PDM, again, they have this covered and with logical software for configuring. Plus most channels can be triggered via CAN, which reduces a lot of wiring, which will not be the case if you mix different manufacturers parts and will need hard wiring for individual triggers.
I personally would not consider the Motec, simply as for the price the actual software packages are heavily restricted with lots of cost extra options and having briefly played with one of their PDM's, the configuration software is terrible. Not user friendly at all.
Edited by stevieturbo on Saturday 30th May 18:19
Hi,
Just come across your thread, interested to know what car you're building as I'm starting a similar project with a Porsche 997.2 PDK rally car. I'll be using a Syvecs S7plus and the new Aim PDM/Dash. The potential tricky area is gearbox control depending on which box you're planning on using.
Tony.
Just come across your thread, interested to know what car you're building as I'm starting a similar project with a Porsche 997.2 PDK rally car. I'll be using a Syvecs S7plus and the new Aim PDM/Dash. The potential tricky area is gearbox control depending on which box you're planning on using.
Tony.
Tony-vv5ge said:
Hi,
Just come across your thread, interested to know what car you're building as I'm starting a similar project with a Porsche 997.2 PDK rally car. I'll be using a Syvecs S7plus and the new Aim PDM/Dash. The potential tricky area is gearbox control depending on which box you're planning on using.
Tony.
Hi Tony,Just come across your thread, interested to know what car you're building as I'm starting a similar project with a Porsche 997.2 PDK rally car. I'll be using a Syvecs S7plus and the new Aim PDM/Dash. The potential tricky area is gearbox control depending on which box you're planning on using.
Tony.
Drop me over an email, your link says you dont accept emails, and I will give you some more information
From the looks of things the new ECU from ECU Master contains a built in GCU, I only need to control the sequential box so mine is relatively easy!
I know that AB Performance are doing quite a bit of work with either Svyecs or direct with Life to control the PDK boxes they are building to put into the Ultimas.
For anyone interested in more info on the AiM PDM I was on one of their webinars recently and the following show was all about the PDM. I'm thinking this could be a really good solution for many people as it combines the data logger, screen and PDM functions. Can't vouch for whether it does this very well (maybe others could do that!?) but on paper looks like a good idea.
Here is the link to the AiM webinar video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MDb4wXaR8M
Would be interested if anyone has given this setup a go yet.
Here is the link to the AiM webinar video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MDb4wXaR8M
Would be interested if anyone has given this setup a go yet.
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