Discussion
teamHOLDENracing said:
You need to compare apples with apples.
The Sagaris is more aerodynamic, has a stiffer roll cage and can accomodate wider wheels. It has a lot more rear end grip than a Tuscan and is therefore kinder to its tyres. Tim's also had a sequential box. The downside is it weighs slightly more, mainly due to the additional roll cage bars. Mine came in at 905kg, about the same as a heavy Tuscan. Overall, I'd say that an AJP Sag is a fair bit quicker than a good Tuscan, but the extent of this will depend on the circuit.
When you refer to the Tim (Sagaris) v Darren (Tuscan) battles you need to remember a few things. Darren's Tuscan was running 10" rear wheels (albeit the extra inch was on the inside of the wheel not the outside), a Holinger sequential box, a substantial front splitter and a proper aerodynamically profiled rear wing, not a' Halfords add on'. It was the same rear wing used on the T400 GT cars and the Sagaris. It was therefore not entirely surprising that these two cars with these two drivers were quite evenly matched.
All execellent points Andy, although I think Jon was simply questioning the point of the AJP Sag's if there's not a lot of time difference between them and a well sorted Tuscan. Again, think you've answered that too. Out of interest, do you have any time comparisomes between your Tuscan & Sag at the same circuits, excepting that track conditions would be different?The Sagaris is more aerodynamic, has a stiffer roll cage and can accomodate wider wheels. It has a lot more rear end grip than a Tuscan and is therefore kinder to its tyres. Tim's also had a sequential box. The downside is it weighs slightly more, mainly due to the additional roll cage bars. Mine came in at 905kg, about the same as a heavy Tuscan. Overall, I'd say that an AJP Sag is a fair bit quicker than a good Tuscan, but the extent of this will depend on the circuit.
When you refer to the Tim (Sagaris) v Darren (Tuscan) battles you need to remember a few things. Darren's Tuscan was running 10" rear wheels (albeit the extra inch was on the inside of the wheel not the outside), a Holinger sequential box, a substantial front splitter and a proper aerodynamically profiled rear wing, not a' Halfords add on'. It was the same rear wing used on the T400 GT cars and the Sagaris. It was therefore not entirely surprising that these two cars with these two drivers were quite evenly matched.
GlynnsportRacing said:
All execellent points Andy, although I think Jon was simply questioning the point of the AJP Sag's if there's not a lot of time difference between them and a well sorted Tuscan. Again, think you've answered that too. Out of interest, do you have any time comparisomes between your Tuscan & Sag at the same circuits, excepting that track conditions would be different?
I don't I'm afraid. I've only driven the Sag twice in AJP form and once in Chevy form.In AJP guise we only had half throttle at Silverstone GP (and a manual box), and at Spa - well, we have no comparison. The circuit has been reconfigured since the Tuscans were last there. My comments are therefore subjective.
In Chevy guise even in shakedown and on old tyres the car is quicker round the Silv National circuit than Tim's times in the AJP Sag - but I don't have the times to hand though.
Last time I was did Brands Indy in the Tuscan on harder tyres I got pole comfortably but didn't get below low 50's. On the other hand I wasn't being pushed and I think you do raise your game when competition is tougher.
jellison said:
How much better are true slicks over a 1B tyre like a Yoko 048 or a Toyo R888?
I tested the R888's at Oulton Fosters last year v the Dunlops we normally run on and in the dry they were better than I had expected. The car seemed to handle the same but times were about 1 sec a lap slower although the tyres still appeared to look brand new. However, on a wet/greasy track they were dreadful and it was like driving on ice, no question the dunlop wets are vastly superior.GlynnsportRacing said:
jellison said:
How much better are true slicks over a 1B tyre like a Yoko 048 or a Toyo R888?
I tested the R888's at Oulton Fosters last year v the Dunlops we normally run on and in the dry they were better than I had expected. The car seemed to handle the same but times were about 1 sec a lap slower although the tyres still appeared to look brand new. However, on a wet/greasy track they were dreadful and it was like driving on ice, no question the dunlop wets are vastly superior.
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