Arrive and drive racing, Which one?
Discussion
Well firstly what is your budget and what type car you would like to drive FWD RWD? Would you like an all over the country championship or just a regional one?Closed wheel?Open Wheel?
Put down some info on what you would like and then people will give you ideas etc????
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budget is about 10-15k max, im happy to travel most of the country. apart form that im pretty open
Put down some info on what you would like and then people will give you ideas etc????
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budget is about 10-15k max, im happy to travel most of the country. apart form that im pretty open
Theres so much to choose from,if you have look through the brscc website and 750mc website you got quite few championship ideas there.I wish i was in your position to at least have the money to start looking *very jealous*.
Ain't sure on the cost but two champs i have see advertised lately is the MR2 arrive and drive and the Seat supercopa but as i say im not 100% on costs.
If you would like some tv coverage and try and get some sponsors on board or to advertise your own business Ford saloon car champ and fiesta champ is norm on motors tv.
What type of champ has interested you so far?
Ain't sure on the cost but two champs i have see advertised lately is the MR2 arrive and drive and the Seat supercopa but as i say im not 100% on costs.
If you would like some tv coverage and try and get some sponsors on board or to advertise your own business Ford saloon car champ and fiesta champ is norm on motors tv.
What type of champ has interested you so far?
With only £10-£15k to spend on a season of arrive and drive, your best value bet by a country mile is the Fun Cup.
HOWEVER...
If you have to race solo, i.e. typical 15/20 minute races then MR2, VW Golf GTi Cup, Ma5da or the seloc BMW Production series can all supply cars for upwards of £650 a weekend, excluding test/race fees, damage, go faster upgrades etc etc.
HOWEVER...
If you have to race solo, i.e. typical 15/20 minute races then MR2, VW Golf GTi Cup, Ma5da or the seloc BMW Production series can all supply cars for upwards of £650 a weekend, excluding test/race fees, damage, go faster upgrades etc etc.
Hi Josh,
MR2 Championship racing looks like it ticks your boxes, and for your budget you could hire a car for the season for you and one for a friend! We start this Sunday at Snetterton, with testing available on the Friday so we can start you off on your racing career almost immediately. Drop me a line if you'd like some more details.
Best regards,
Patrick Mortell
Team Rogue racing Ltd
01676 530222
MR2 Championship racing looks like it ticks your boxes, and for your budget you could hire a car for the season for you and one for a friend! We start this Sunday at Snetterton, with testing available on the Friday so we can start you off on your racing career almost immediately. Drop me a line if you'd like some more details.
Best regards,
Patrick Mortell
Team Rogue racing Ltd
01676 530222
Hi Josh,
You could look at the Leon R class of the SEAT Supercopa for that kind of budget. The LCR's are great little cars - 250bhp, 6 speed boxes - a great way to learn to go Touring Car racing. The coverage for the series looks to be really impressive and if you finish 1st or 2nd in the LCR class then the prize is an expenses paid trip to Spain to race with the SEAT Sport team in a race out there. Its a great class to build some experience in and get a rapor with some of the teams out there, including SEAT as a manufacturer - as apart from Caterham's all of the other one make classes mentioned don't have a direct manufacturers involvement. Take a look at www.seatsupercopa.co.uk for some more information
Tim
You could look at the Leon R class of the SEAT Supercopa for that kind of budget. The LCR's are great little cars - 250bhp, 6 speed boxes - a great way to learn to go Touring Car racing. The coverage for the series looks to be really impressive and if you finish 1st or 2nd in the LCR class then the prize is an expenses paid trip to Spain to race with the SEAT Sport team in a race out there. Its a great class to build some experience in and get a rapor with some of the teams out there, including SEAT as a manufacturer - as apart from Caterham's all of the other one make classes mentioned don't have a direct manufacturers involvement. Take a look at www.seatsupercopa.co.uk for some more information
Tim
pagejobe said:
hi srl, im really looking at something competitive and something that i could get noticed in. thanks for all the help so far guys!
10-15K isn't much budget to run in something to "get you noticed". That's reasonable clubbie money, but not much else.If you wanted to run in something in the BTCC package - you could be looking at that much per meeting!
And forget the idea that you'll be "noticed". The only way you get noticed in motorsport is by the size of your available budget, and the money that you can take/give to the team that runs you.
Race because you enjoy it.
There is only one way to end up with a small fortune from motorsport.
Start with a very large one.
Rob.
If you were properly quick then one way to "get noticed" would be to do the walter hayes or FF festival at the end of the year and win/do really well...not much of an ask in your first season but an honest reply.
FF1600 might be good on your budget you can run nearly anywhere and there are some quick chaps at the front
have fun
FF1600 might be good on your budget you can run nearly anywhere and there are some quick chaps at the front
have fun
If your winning in ANYTHING you can generate some publicity/reputation and it doesnt even need to be a competitive series. However, getting "noticed" is a dreamers world that starts on a budget of 5 times what you suggested and will need 5 times more than that again to keep getting noticed.
Sadly in your first couple of years it would have to be a pretty uncompetitive series to be winning on 10 to 15K in a hire car although if your with the right team and you have a strong background in Motorcross, rallycross or very successful in National karting classes like Rotax Max then you might have the odds in your favour at club level.
The Formula Ford 1600 suggestion is also a very good one, but be warned, that realy is seriously competitive on every level and £10 to £15k would only be enough to win if you were already a seasoned FF1600 pro with all the tricks in the book already logged.
Sadly in your first couple of years it would have to be a pretty uncompetitive series to be winning on 10 to 15K in a hire car although if your with the right team and you have a strong background in Motorcross, rallycross or very successful in National karting classes like Rotax Max then you might have the odds in your favour at club level.
The Formula Ford 1600 suggestion is also a very good one, but be warned, that realy is seriously competitive on every level and £10 to £15k would only be enough to win if you were already a seasoned FF1600 pro with all the tricks in the book already logged.
Just to add to the conversation, have you heard about the latest championship being run by the BARC? The British Sportscar Challenge. It is going to be contested over 7 double header rounds and is open to any british, two seater sports car that satisfies the regulations of that marques championship. There is already keen interest from plenty of Ginetta owners and Reflex Racing gb will be there contesting the championship.
We can offer you an arrive and drive on this package on your budget. We also have car hire available if required. See the BARC website for championship regs. The dates are as follows:
28 March 2009-Brands Hatch
16 May 2009-Silverstone
31 May 2009-Cadwell Park
09 August 2009-Donington Park
29 August 20090-Pembrey
26 September 2009-Oulton Park
31 October 2009-Brands Hatch
For more information about Reflex Racing gb please see reflexgb.co.uk or email derek (at) reflexgb.co.uk.
Regards,
Reflex Racing gb
We can offer you an arrive and drive on this package on your budget. We also have car hire available if required. See the BARC website for championship regs. The dates are as follows:
28 March 2009-Brands Hatch
16 May 2009-Silverstone
31 May 2009-Cadwell Park
09 August 2009-Donington Park
29 August 20090-Pembrey
26 September 2009-Oulton Park
31 October 2009-Brands Hatch
For more information about Reflex Racing gb please see reflexgb.co.uk or email derek (at) reflexgb.co.uk.
Regards,
Reflex Racing gb
I think the chance of getting noticed at any level is very tricky. But what would you hope to gain by being noticed? I assume you are thinking of being noticed and then driving for people for free or being paid? or just to get your name in auto sport?
Assess what you really would like. To have fun? or to be known in a specific series? to have people in other series talk of you? Personally when I started only last year I had the dreams of being in formula one but with out £300 million in my sky rocket im never getting close. I have even looked at other avenues but as people have said the budget you need to get any where high profile even if you are good is huge. I got told I could drive a car for a privateer in the BTCC this season but they wanted me to stump up £20k per meeting and they provide the car! i only spend 7k per season!
Your budget from when I did my research for clubbie stuff is huge unless you race in modified classes.
I would spend a year trying stuff trying different series and different type cars including open and closed wheel and FWD and RWD etc. Firstly establish if you are actually any good instead of pumping loads of your hard earned cash into something to only find perhaps doing something half the price and spending some of whats left over on tuition to improve your self would be far better for you and cheaper. Even world class paid drivers do this by getting a fellow competitor to sit in with them for a few laps to highlight things so please dont think im putting you down or suggesting you need it but with a lot of people they think I know ill spend 5k on new suspension to go half a second faster when they could spend %£500 on a days tuition and go 1.5 seconds faster.
As an example, for my series i bought a middle of the road car all ready built with no results to take note of. I went out testing thinking I was quite fast but I was well off the race pace accross a whole lap because i was very messy. it felt fast but wasnt. I got some tuition from a well known guy and he said yes your fast but so inconsistant and all over the show that it was slowing my overall pace down. Before the tuition i thought the car must be wrong. After the tuition I had my first race. It was a production class so very limited mods but some where running 30bhp more than me and when I only had 130bhp it makes a big difference. I applied everything I learnt and came away from the race with a class pole, win, and a new lap record! since then I have raced in 2 series and done 17 races. I have won 16 and finished 2nd in the other after a novice mistake running into the back of someone and having to limp home. In the main series I now hold every lap record bar 1. This was due I believe to playing in Formula fords, alfa romoes, ginetta's and an escort cosworth on various track days and learning about each car and how to drive them differently according to what they are and the conditions but most importantly getting someone who knew what they where doing and talking about to impart some of thier knowledge on to me. The difference it made? 3 seconds per lap in the same car.
I have had a couple of offers for things like i got asked to drive for a team in teh britcar 24hour last year which I thought was absolutly amazing but they still wanted my season budget for the seat!
So my advice is firstly go out and race in something cheap and see where you stand. Just because your fast on a track day doesnt mean your fast in a race, if its only arrive and drive you want then experience different cars and different styles needed, ( some can drive FWD very well but are useless in RWD and vice versa, you wont know untill you try) you may have a talent and be awesome in anything. If so with a varied CV that shows you are competitive in anything you stand a chance of being noticed, or even like me get offererd a subsidised drive in something a bit more special than just the clubbie scene.
What ever you do good luck and remember there are many of us in the same boat as you!
Assess what you really would like. To have fun? or to be known in a specific series? to have people in other series talk of you? Personally when I started only last year I had the dreams of being in formula one but with out £300 million in my sky rocket im never getting close. I have even looked at other avenues but as people have said the budget you need to get any where high profile even if you are good is huge. I got told I could drive a car for a privateer in the BTCC this season but they wanted me to stump up £20k per meeting and they provide the car! i only spend 7k per season!
Your budget from when I did my research for clubbie stuff is huge unless you race in modified classes.
I would spend a year trying stuff trying different series and different type cars including open and closed wheel and FWD and RWD etc. Firstly establish if you are actually any good instead of pumping loads of your hard earned cash into something to only find perhaps doing something half the price and spending some of whats left over on tuition to improve your self would be far better for you and cheaper. Even world class paid drivers do this by getting a fellow competitor to sit in with them for a few laps to highlight things so please dont think im putting you down or suggesting you need it but with a lot of people they think I know ill spend 5k on new suspension to go half a second faster when they could spend %£500 on a days tuition and go 1.5 seconds faster.
As an example, for my series i bought a middle of the road car all ready built with no results to take note of. I went out testing thinking I was quite fast but I was well off the race pace accross a whole lap because i was very messy. it felt fast but wasnt. I got some tuition from a well known guy and he said yes your fast but so inconsistant and all over the show that it was slowing my overall pace down. Before the tuition i thought the car must be wrong. After the tuition I had my first race. It was a production class so very limited mods but some where running 30bhp more than me and when I only had 130bhp it makes a big difference. I applied everything I learnt and came away from the race with a class pole, win, and a new lap record! since then I have raced in 2 series and done 17 races. I have won 16 and finished 2nd in the other after a novice mistake running into the back of someone and having to limp home. In the main series I now hold every lap record bar 1. This was due I believe to playing in Formula fords, alfa romoes, ginetta's and an escort cosworth on various track days and learning about each car and how to drive them differently according to what they are and the conditions but most importantly getting someone who knew what they where doing and talking about to impart some of thier knowledge on to me. The difference it made? 3 seconds per lap in the same car.
I have had a couple of offers for things like i got asked to drive for a team in teh britcar 24hour last year which I thought was absolutly amazing but they still wanted my season budget for the seat!
So my advice is firstly go out and race in something cheap and see where you stand. Just because your fast on a track day doesnt mean your fast in a race, if its only arrive and drive you want then experience different cars and different styles needed, ( some can drive FWD very well but are useless in RWD and vice versa, you wont know untill you try) you may have a talent and be awesome in anything. If so with a varied CV that shows you are competitive in anything you stand a chance of being noticed, or even like me get offererd a subsidised drive in something a bit more special than just the clubbie scene.
What ever you do good luck and remember there are many of us in the same boat as you!
We may have our 2007 Ray FF1600 for hire. It has an impressive pedigree - lap record at Oulton, pushing for third in the WHT final, with lots of wins around as well.
Check out www.goughracing.co.uk or pm me.
Pointless going out in an old banger, you will never know if its down to you or the car if your not doing ok....
Might as well learn in something reliable, quick, and with the added bonuses of driver coaching,data logging and onboard video.
Check out www.goughracing.co.uk or pm me.
Pointless going out in an old banger, you will never know if its down to you or the car if your not doing ok....
Might as well learn in something reliable, quick, and with the added bonuses of driver coaching,data logging and onboard video.
thanks for all the replys guys, ive decided to join GWRacing, car looks fantastic, just got to finalise the sponsorship and should hopefully be on board.
Just done 7 hours race tuition with John Chambers and really brought out the best in me, amazing instructor and well worth the money, going to do another session at Snetterton in the caterham again, great fun!
Just done 7 hours race tuition with John Chambers and really brought out the best in me, amazing instructor and well worth the money, going to do another session at Snetterton in the caterham again, great fun!
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