CSCC Future Classics
Discussion
Does anyone here run in the above series?
Got a few questions I wouldn't mind having a word with someone about. Will be calling CSCC in the next couple of days to see what they say.
Trying to decide between this and the Toyo Tyre Performance Saloon. Currently leaning to Future Classics but would like to talk to someone who is racing in it.
Got a few questions I wouldn't mind having a word with someone about. Will be calling CSCC in the next couple of days to see what they say.
Trying to decide between this and the Toyo Tyre Performance Saloon. Currently leaning to Future Classics but would like to talk to someone who is racing in it.
fieldl said:
Does anyone here run in the above series?
Got a few questions I wouldn't mind having a word with someone about. Will be calling CSCC in the next couple of days to see what they say.
Trying to decide between this and the Toyo Tyre Performance Saloon. Currently leaning to Future Classics but would like to talk to someone who is racing in it.
I have done a couple of races in it, ..... can I help you??Got a few questions I wouldn't mind having a word with someone about. Will be calling CSCC in the next couple of days to see what they say.
Trying to decide between this and the Toyo Tyre Performance Saloon. Currently leaning to Future Classics but would like to talk to someone who is racing in it.
Howard
I race in the sister "Tin Tops" series - same format - and was looking to race in "Future Classics", too. I am happy to help.
The CSCC run several great race series and their meetings are exceptionally well run, too. The club puts the emphasis on max value for money and wants big grids with good driving standards; this it has largely achieved. The unique aspect of the CSCC series is the 30 min practice/ 40 min race for one or two drivers (compulsory pit stop). It really does work well & adds a different element to the racing. It also means that track time per circuit visit is very good and the track time per £ probably can't be beaten by any other club at the main stream circuits in the UK.
Club membership is £35 per driver & series registration is £95 (I think) per car. Entry fees range from £245 at Anglesy to £285 at Brands Hatch, Oulton etc for the aforementioned 70 mins track time.
Future Classics is a relatively new series. This is its second year, I think, and it is starting to build good grid sizes. Cars generally range from small capacity Davrians in the upto 1300cc class, several Alfas and Rovers in the up to 2 litre Class to Jag XJS, TR7 V8, Porsche 911s & Pontiac Trans Am in the over 3 litre class - very eclectic! The middle capacity classes are where its really starting to get interesting, though, with a real inter-marque battle brewing between various Porsche 944s, BMWs & Ferrari 308s.
If you race with the CSCC, they also run a "Sports Vs Saloon" challenge race at the end of the day. Usually 20 minutes. If you have already raced earlier in the day you get the chance of a second race for an entry fee of about £90-95.
My final "hard sell" is to point out that the CSCC has an invite this year to race in a 1 hour plus 1 minute race at Spa in July. It is likely that the "Future Classics" cars will be part of a 75 car grid including the "Tin Tops" and "Manificent Sevens". CSCC must be one of the few UK clubs that can give this opportunity for the clubman. Entry fee for the race is still to be finalised but is anticipated to be approx £450, depending on exchange rates etc.
What are you looking at racing?
I really don't think that you'd be disappointed if you raced with the CSCC!
PM me if you want to know anything specific.
Regards
Andy
The CSCC run several great race series and their meetings are exceptionally well run, too. The club puts the emphasis on max value for money and wants big grids with good driving standards; this it has largely achieved. The unique aspect of the CSCC series is the 30 min practice/ 40 min race for one or two drivers (compulsory pit stop). It really does work well & adds a different element to the racing. It also means that track time per circuit visit is very good and the track time per £ probably can't be beaten by any other club at the main stream circuits in the UK.
Club membership is £35 per driver & series registration is £95 (I think) per car. Entry fees range from £245 at Anglesy to £285 at Brands Hatch, Oulton etc for the aforementioned 70 mins track time.
Future Classics is a relatively new series. This is its second year, I think, and it is starting to build good grid sizes. Cars generally range from small capacity Davrians in the upto 1300cc class, several Alfas and Rovers in the up to 2 litre Class to Jag XJS, TR7 V8, Porsche 911s & Pontiac Trans Am in the over 3 litre class - very eclectic! The middle capacity classes are where its really starting to get interesting, though, with a real inter-marque battle brewing between various Porsche 944s, BMWs & Ferrari 308s.
If you race with the CSCC, they also run a "Sports Vs Saloon" challenge race at the end of the day. Usually 20 minutes. If you have already raced earlier in the day you get the chance of a second race for an entry fee of about £90-95.
My final "hard sell" is to point out that the CSCC has an invite this year to race in a 1 hour plus 1 minute race at Spa in July. It is likely that the "Future Classics" cars will be part of a 75 car grid including the "Tin Tops" and "Manificent Sevens". CSCC must be one of the few UK clubs that can give this opportunity for the clubman. Entry fee for the race is still to be finalised but is anticipated to be approx £450, depending on exchange rates etc.
What are you looking at racing?
I really don't think that you'd be disappointed if you raced with the CSCC!
PM me if you want to know anything specific.
Regards
Andy
Brilliant thank you for all the replies.
I'll start by giving you the history. Two of us have a 50/50 share in what started life as a standard 1988 BMW E30 325 Saloon. Over the last 12 months it has become an outright track car. We always had a thought in the back of our minds that when time and money allowed we would build it to spec to enter the Toyo Tyre Performance Saloon series. Recently however someone mentioned the CSCC Future Classics. At the same time we smashed the recent baffled sump whilst driving on the road, which led to getting a trailer. Which seemingly has escalated our plans somewhat.
Now given there are two of us and to date all costs have been shared the Future Classics seemingly makes much more sense. The opportunity to race at Spa would be brilliant but would have to wait until next year.
The car is in the final stages of build to complete as per MSA spec we need to complete:
Rain light
Roll cage - Planning 6pt with door + harness bars to regs with Protection and Performance in Lancs
Electrical cut off
and we think thats it.
Bear in mind this is the first time we have done anything like this. In fact I still need to complete my ARDS. Aiming to be ready for July maybe in time to enter for Silverstone or Donington.
If your still with me I'll get around to my questions:
I'll start by giving you the history. Two of us have a 50/50 share in what started life as a standard 1988 BMW E30 325 Saloon. Over the last 12 months it has become an outright track car. We always had a thought in the back of our minds that when time and money allowed we would build it to spec to enter the Toyo Tyre Performance Saloon series. Recently however someone mentioned the CSCC Future Classics. At the same time we smashed the recent baffled sump whilst driving on the road, which led to getting a trailer. Which seemingly has escalated our plans somewhat.
Now given there are two of us and to date all costs have been shared the Future Classics seemingly makes much more sense. The opportunity to race at Spa would be brilliant but would have to wait until next year.
The car is in the final stages of build to complete as per MSA spec we need to complete:
Rain light
Roll cage - Planning 6pt with door + harness bars to regs with Protection and Performance in Lancs
Electrical cut off
and we think thats it.
Bear in mind this is the first time we have done anything like this. In fact I still need to complete my ARDS. Aiming to be ready for July maybe in time to enter for Silverstone or Donington.
If your still with me I'll get around to my questions:
- The question of entry fee's has been covered above but how much would you expect to do in a season. Excluding 'incident' repairs
- How do we go about getting the car through scrutineering? Is it a case of enter and fingers crossed? Is there anyway we can get it validated before hand?
- The regs seem very open. Is that the case? Get the car to MSA spec and that's pretty much it?
- Anything I've missed/ignored or am blissfully unaware of which will catch us out at a later date?
fieldl said:
Brilliant thank you for all the replies.
I'll start by giving you the history. Two of us have a 50/50 share in what started life as a standard 1988 BMW E30 325 Saloon. Over the last 12 months it has become an outright track car. We always had a thought in the back of our minds that when time and money allowed we would build it to spec to enter the Toyo Tyre Performance Saloon series. Recently however someone mentioned the CSCC Future Classics. At the same time we smashed the recent baffled sump whilst driving on the road, which led to getting a trailer. Which seemingly has escalated our plans somewhat.
Now given there are two of us and to date all costs have been shared the Future Classics seemingly makes much more sense. The opportunity to race at Spa would be brilliant but would have to wait until next year.
The car is in the final stages of build to complete as per MSA spec we need to complete:
Rain light
Roll cage - Planning 6pt with door + harness bars to regs with Protection and Performance in Lancs
Electrical cut off
and we think thats it.
Bear in mind this is the first time we have done anything like this. In fact I still need to complete my ARDS. Aiming to be ready for July maybe in time to enter for Silverstone or Donington.
If your still with me I'll get around to my questions:
Definately sounds like FC is the place for you! And there are a fair few novices race with CSCC so its friendly and not overawing in that respect.I'll start by giving you the history. Two of us have a 50/50 share in what started life as a standard 1988 BMW E30 325 Saloon. Over the last 12 months it has become an outright track car. We always had a thought in the back of our minds that when time and money allowed we would build it to spec to enter the Toyo Tyre Performance Saloon series. Recently however someone mentioned the CSCC Future Classics. At the same time we smashed the recent baffled sump whilst driving on the road, which led to getting a trailer. Which seemingly has escalated our plans somewhat.
Now given there are two of us and to date all costs have been shared the Future Classics seemingly makes much more sense. The opportunity to race at Spa would be brilliant but would have to wait until next year.
The car is in the final stages of build to complete as per MSA spec we need to complete:
Rain light
Roll cage - Planning 6pt with door + harness bars to regs with Protection and Performance in Lancs
Electrical cut off
and we think thats it.
Bear in mind this is the first time we have done anything like this. In fact I still need to complete my ARDS. Aiming to be ready for July maybe in time to enter for Silverstone or Donington.
If your still with me I'll get around to my questions:
- The question of entry fee's has been covered above but how much would you expect to do in a season. Excluding 'incident' repairs
- How do we go about getting the car through scrutineering? Is it a case of enter and fingers crossed? Is there anyway we can get it validated before hand?
- The regs seem very open. Is that the case? Get the car to MSA spec and that's pretty much it?
- Anything I've missed/ignored or am blissfully unaware of which will catch us out at a later date?
As for costs, hmmm, how long is the piece of string? It really is very dificult to predict - it depends on whether you have any accident damage or not & whether you have any major component breakages (engine, gearbox etc). In general, though, the higher the state of tune that the the car is in then the more expensive it will be to fix! Cars in CSCC, though, tend not to be hyper expensive cars in the first place (I'm sure that someone will prove me wrong, but you know what I mean). If you are doing 8 races in a season, I would budget for 2 sets of tyres and 2 sets of brake pads & there are the usual other consumables; there is an unbending law that whatever you plan to spend, you'll exceed it. You'll become a liar because you won't want to admit to yourself, your frinds or your wife/ girlfriend/ partner how much you are really spending!! Nevertheless, there is nothing like it in the world that's as exhilarating.
I'm not sure how you get in touch with a Scrutineer but try your local car club or the MSA, they may have a list of people that will check the car over for you beforehand.
The regs are very open. On purpose. This is to encourage as many people to race as possible. The club doesn't believe in having regs that it then can't easily police or leads to accusations of cheating. Of course, someone with a bigger cheque book will always be able to afford the latest "tweak" but in CSCC you have to race for the enjoyment, pick your level amongst other competitors and enjoy the battles no matter who with. Its not a Championship & no one from the BTCC is watching so you are not fighting for points or a career and so therefore shouldn't worry, too much, if you get beaten by someone with a BTCC spec engine! In any case, the club doesn't seem to attract too many massively modified cars and the regs that there are (original silhouette, original engine & induction type, no sequential gearboxes) does seem to discourage the outrageous!
Hope that helps, but keep the questions coming.
Like my fellow posters I'm out in FC this year (my first year with CSCC) - so far very impressed with the admin. side and there were a lot of friendly people at my first meet at Anglesey. Looking forward to Brands on Saturday! I had my 308 "pre-scrutineered" at the CSCC test day - helpful and the only issues were that the towing eyes needed to be bigger and our attempt at retaining seat runners was discouraged (now rigidly fixed). Maybe someone in CSCC admin. might be able to point you in the right direction but I suspect some study of the Blue Book and a few questions if necessary will see you right - there are quite a lot of E30's out racing in various series aren't there?
Remember - never add up what you spend; and if you break that rule certainly don't divulge the resultant figure to your significant other!
Remember - never add up what you spend; and if you break that rule certainly don't divulge the resultant figure to your significant other!
davidgt4 said:
Remember - never add up what you spend; and if you break that rule certainly don't divulge the resultant figure to your significant other!
Brilliant thank you all for the replies 
I will point the other owner in the direction of this thread. Let's say he's a bit handy with spreadsheets so we do know how much we have burnt already however there is no way I'll be admitting that one.
andy97 said:
CSCC must be one of the few UK clubs that can give this opportunity for the clubman. Entry fee for the race is still to be finalised but is anticipated to be approx £450, depending on exchange rates etc.
Interestingly, I think quite a few clubman series offer a race at spa now. Certainly the Caterham graduates have done for the last few years, I've noticed last time were over, there was several other UK club series, porsche open, lotus elises series (LOT?) and a historic UK club too, I think its a lot more accessible now.Well it's all starting to come together. Medical booked for tomorrow. Parts acquired for car including seat, harnesses, fire extinguisher and kill switch. Car booked in with Protection and Performance to have the cage fitted.
A few more questions if you may:
1) Rain light - What's that all about then? We have rear lights and the fog light, is this acceptable? I can't see any of the other cars with seperate rear lights.
2) Battery - must be in a box according to the MSA. What's the minimum we can get away with here?
3) Timing transponders - Do we have to buy one? If so where from (TSL?) or can we hire one?
Exciting stuff albeit wallet braking.
We are planning to enter a mixture of series primarily to get experience, the car should be eligible for CSCC Future Classics, Classic Touring Car Pre 93, BARC NW Sports & Saloons and TTRS. TTRS being the most restrictive and requiring a shrick connector to be fitted.
Some interesting cars in our class in CSCC including a Ferrari 308 and several 911's. We are not aiming to be overly competitive just get the experience, this year anyway
Can anyone see anything I have glaringly overlooked?
A few more questions if you may:
1) Rain light - What's that all about then? We have rear lights and the fog light, is this acceptable? I can't see any of the other cars with seperate rear lights.
2) Battery - must be in a box according to the MSA. What's the minimum we can get away with here?
3) Timing transponders - Do we have to buy one? If so where from (TSL?) or can we hire one?
Exciting stuff albeit wallet braking.
We are planning to enter a mixture of series primarily to get experience, the car should be eligible for CSCC Future Classics, Classic Touring Car Pre 93, BARC NW Sports & Saloons and TTRS. TTRS being the most restrictive and requiring a shrick connector to be fitted.
Some interesting cars in our class in CSCC including a Ferrari 308 and several 911's. We are not aiming to be overly competitive just get the experience, this year anyway
Can anyone see anything I have glaringly overlooked?
fieldl said:
A few more questions if you may:
1) Rain light - What's that all about then? We have rear lights and the fog light, is this acceptable? I can't see any of the other cars with seperate rear lights.
2) Battery - must be in a box according to the MSA. What's the minimum we can get away with here?
3) Timing transponders - Do we have to buy one? If so where from (TSL?) or can we hire one?
1) Yes. If you've got a high density rear light in the form of a fog light it will be acceptable1) Rain light - What's that all about then? We have rear lights and the fog light, is this acceptable? I can't see any of the other cars with seperate rear lights.
2) Battery - must be in a box according to the MSA. What's the minimum we can get away with here?
3) Timing transponders - Do we have to buy one? If so where from (TSL?) or can we hire one?
2) Sorry can't help!
3) Yes. You can hire them from the timekeepers at each event (TSL if it's a BARC or CSCC meeting, possibly SMART for some BRSCC meetings) however I'm not sure of the cost.
Good luck & hopefully I'll see you on the Future Classics grid.....
Transponders usually around £25 per event to hire - we picked one up on racecarsdirect for £200, or I think they are around £300 new from Timing Solutions Limited.
If you are thinking about CSSC Future Classics (I race in CSSC Tin Tops)you will need to join CSSC (£35), and register your car (£95 I think) for the series - better done sooner rather than later. The entry forms for each event can be found on the CSSC website.
Happy racing!
Andy
The battery doesn't have to be in a seperate box if its in its original location and seperate from the passenger compartment ie still securely fisxed in the engine bay, or if it is a sealed motorsport specific one such as the PowerVamp, Varley Red Top or Odyssey ranges securely fixed in the cabin. I used standard road car batteries in the engine bay of my old Alfa and my Uno. The battery in my Uno is now a Varley red top which is just securely fastemed in the passenger footwell.
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TTRS being the most restrictive and requiring a shrick connector to be fitted.
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You don't need a schrick connector for TTRS, it's only for the Production BMW cars. They are supplied by the organisers of PBMW and fitted in 10 mins.
TTRS being the most restrictive and requiring a shrick connector to be fitted.
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You don't need a schrick connector for TTRS, it's only for the Production BMW cars. They are supplied by the organisers of PBMW and fitted in 10 mins.
Edited by juliann on Thursday 14th May 09:30
Good to see it's coming together. Some people seem to manage to get well priced 2nd hand transponders but I couldn't find one . I got mine direct from AMB-IT for about £275 (!captive market). What sort of tape? Whatever's in the garage at the time...insulating tape or the ubiquitous "racer's tape".
Brands was a great CSCC meet last weekend.
Brands was a great CSCC meet last weekend.
Jemco Andy said:
If you are thinking about CSSC Future Classics (I race in CSSC Tin Tops)you will need to join CSSC (£35), and register your car (£95 I think) for the series - better done sooner rather than later. The entry forms for each event can be found on the CSSC website.
Happy racing!
Andy
Or for a try-out you can do a single race without registering (but still have to join the club). Though after that you will probably have to stump up the £95 to register. I'd have a chat/email with the FC co-ordinator to see how he can help. Nigel is a good guy and will be very encouraging to get another keen racer in the fold.Happy racing!
Andy
Cheers
AndyV
(Swinging Sixties Spitfire)
Lee, with regards to scrutineering - you should have a basic safety scrutineer at a test day, a specific eligibility scrutineer will only be around on race day, but I'll bet if you contact the club they would be able to put you in touch with one of the officials who can look over the car for you beforehand.
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