Bits to preo Saxo VTR for Stock Hatch or similar - what?
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Leda are very good, most people use them, however recently AST have become available for these cars and now the front runners (including last years champion who also supplies AST) are using these.
Re gaz, the saxmax cars which have gone on to be converted into stock hatch spec the first thing to go is the gaz suspension set up.
Tyres dont go off that quickly and can be used for quite a few events, the people at the front are changing them more frequently - I got 3 events and 2 test days out of my first 6 tyres with some life left in them.
If you build a stock hatch you can use it in a few other series, tin tops, semsec etc
Re gaz, the saxmax cars which have gone on to be converted into stock hatch spec the first thing to go is the gaz suspension set up.
Tyres dont go off that quickly and can be used for quite a few events, the people at the front are changing them more frequently - I got 3 events and 2 test days out of my first 6 tyres with some life left in them.
If you build a stock hatch you can use it in a few other series, tin tops, semsec etc
Edited by rallycross on Wednesday 5th August 12:20
Andy97 - the class I raced in is dying out (D), only a couple of entries per race.
They are changing the rules for the modified classes but C/D/E are staying the same except to allow the Mito to run in D.
I could go class E but it is cheaper for me to build a stockhatch car and the grids are massive compared to the 8-10 class E cars you get per ARCA round.
Stockhatch is much more competitive too with the lap times being much closer in the mid pack to the front - ARCA has a big variation in driving talent with one real stand out driver at the moment (he floats around on this forum somewhere, i'm not going to say who...).
What are you looking at for entry fee - tin tops vs stockhatch?
They are changing the rules for the modified classes but C/D/E are staying the same except to allow the Mito to run in D.
I could go class E but it is cheaper for me to build a stockhatch car and the grids are massive compared to the 8-10 class E cars you get per ARCA round.
Stockhatch is much more competitive too with the lap times being much closer in the mid pack to the front - ARCA has a big variation in driving talent with one real stand out driver at the moment (he floats around on this forum somewhere, i'm not going to say who...).
What are you looking at for entry fee - tin tops vs stockhatch?
Regional said:
What are you looking at for entry fee - tin tops vs stockhatch?
CSCC Tin Tops are 30 minute practice sessions and 40 minute races, with a compulsory pit stop, for one or two drivers.Entry fees vary from £245 at Anglesey to £285 at the MSV circuits. There is also a always a Sports Vs Saloon Challenge race at the end of each day (15/ 20 mins) which participants in earlier races can enter for £95. Club membership id £35 & car registration is £95.
CSCC also has the benefit of a 1 hour race at Spa and pre 1981 cars get invites to the August Nurburgring races.
Your Class D ARCA car is presumably a 1700 8V Boxer engined Alfa 33? It would be very competitive in Tin Tops Class B (1600-2000 8V or 1300-1600 16V). There's a 1700 33 already in that class, which does well (JEMCO ANDY on here), and class B was "won" by a different 33 last year. Alfa Boxer engined cars can also race in the sister "Future Classics" series to the same format.
stock hatch fees are circa £150 to £200 depending on the circuit.
dampers are absolutely critical on stock hatch, you need to get the best ones you can afford and have someone who knows what they are doing set them up for in terms of revalving. Lanan racing sorted mine out for me - he is on here as lanan.
your car will get smashed often.
people use saxo's as by the time you've bought all the bits to turn it into a race car, there's very little in it in terms of cost over say a 205. also a saxo will fetch more money, even a good 205 is a couple of grand down on an average saxo. also 205's are unreliable
i have a rallye, it was expensive to buy but it was quick. i have spent a fortune on it over the past year to get it quick again. the engine was built in 2003, and was only rebuilt in April 09 ( there was not much of it left mind), so i think 6 years on one engine that had not even been opened is not a bad shout.
the new tyres tend to kill driveshafts ,bearings - they'll need changing every 10-15 hours of use.
definately buy, don't build, even if you are a good mechanic. there is a whole world of difference between a mechanic and engineer. and it will show in its results. in all my time in stock hatch, 7 years, i have only met one guy who could actually make it as a pro engineer.
if you have any other questions then PM me.
dampers are absolutely critical on stock hatch, you need to get the best ones you can afford and have someone who knows what they are doing set them up for in terms of revalving. Lanan racing sorted mine out for me - he is on here as lanan.
your car will get smashed often.
people use saxo's as by the time you've bought all the bits to turn it into a race car, there's very little in it in terms of cost over say a 205. also a saxo will fetch more money, even a good 205 is a couple of grand down on an average saxo. also 205's are unreliable
i have a rallye, it was expensive to buy but it was quick. i have spent a fortune on it over the past year to get it quick again. the engine was built in 2003, and was only rebuilt in April 09 ( there was not much of it left mind), so i think 6 years on one engine that had not even been opened is not a bad shout.
the new tyres tend to kill driveshafts ,bearings - they'll need changing every 10-15 hours of use.
definately buy, don't build, even if you are a good mechanic. there is a whole world of difference between a mechanic and engineer. and it will show in its results. in all my time in stock hatch, 7 years, i have only met one guy who could actually make it as a pro engineer.
if you have any other questions then PM me.
good advice there.
We build race cars from scratch so no worries there.
Fair comment on dampers, what about spring rates? our contact used to work for koni.
I would be doing it over a period of time, no rush - i race karts at the moment, I can't afford to shell out for a finished car but I can build one to a good standard, setup isnt an issue as we have corner weights and used to do mine on a regular basis.
I've had both S1 and S2 Rallyes, great fun both of them but i must admit i preferred the S1.
Looks like i'll try to get a bodyshop as a sponsor then, lol.
We build race cars from scratch so no worries there.
Fair comment on dampers, what about spring rates? our contact used to work for koni.
I would be doing it over a period of time, no rush - i race karts at the moment, I can't afford to shell out for a finished car but I can build one to a good standard, setup isnt an issue as we have corner weights and used to do mine on a regular basis.
I've had both S1 and S2 Rallyes, great fun both of them but i must admit i preferred the S1.
Looks like i'll try to get a bodyshop as a sponsor then, lol.
i too had an s1 and s2 rallye. my s1 rallye ended up being stripped for parts long after i sold it by Tom Boardman at peugeot special tuning!
my s2 rallye, i sold to fund my first race car, it was turned into a stock hatch and i bought it back! it has a bit of sentimental value. not sure i'll ever sell it!
springs rates are 250 -275lb, rear torsion bars are 24mm.
my s2 rallye, i sold to fund my first race car, it was turned into a stock hatch and i bought it back! it has a bit of sentimental value. not sure i'll ever sell it!
springs rates are 250 -275lb, rear torsion bars are 24mm.
rallycross said:
Re gaz, the saxmax cars which have gone on to be converted into stock hatch spec the first thing to go is the gaz suspension set up.
Slight hijack but would anyone else care to comment? I really do like the look of AST but £1400 over the £800 of Gaz Gold is a big difference! Edited by rallycross on Wednesday 5th August 12:20
Hi All. You can buy a full set of AST for stock hatch for £1295 inc vat, plus springs. i can also sort you out with torsion bars which i get custom made for £240 a set any size. I can also sort you an engine too. The cost of a front running car is not always as much as people make out.
Im new on here by the way
Cheers
Ryan
Im new on here by the way
Cheers
Ryan
good to see you on here Ryan.
If the OP wants any tips on what you need to have a front running Saxo Ryan is a good place to start! (ie last years chamion and currently leading the points again).
Re how good AST is I've used it on road cars (Impreza Spec C and Type 25) and they are brilliant dampers.
If the OP wants any tips on what you need to have a front running Saxo Ryan is a good place to start! (ie last years chamion and currently leading the points again).
Re how good AST is I've used it on road cars (Impreza Spec C and Type 25) and they are brilliant dampers.
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