/Max5 Racing 2010
Discussion
Hi Guys n gals
My name is Paul and I have been racing/involved with mazda mx5's for quite some time now.
Earlier this year I built the first mk3 mx5 race car and ran it in the max5 series.
Now back to business....
As many of you will know Max5/ma5da racing have both run a race series in 2009
Max5 have now moved forward for 2010 and will have a championship for the mk3 cars
Please see
http://www.acsnetworks.co.uk/max5/
If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask or contact me on 07770 566599
Regards Paul
My name is Paul and I have been racing/involved with mazda mx5's for quite some time now.
Earlier this year I built the first mk3 mx5 race car and ran it in the max5 series.
Now back to business....
As many of you will know Max5/ma5da racing have both run a race series in 2009
Max5 have now moved forward for 2010 and will have a championship for the mk3 cars
Please see
http://www.acsnetworks.co.uk/max5/
If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask or contact me on 07770 566599
Regards Paul
1 said:
Haven't Ma5da Racing also announced a MK3 championship?
Only I suspect there will be more than one MK3 in their "championship".
Yes Ma5da have announced a mk3 series for 2011.....Only I suspect there will be more than one MK3 in their "championship".
MAX5 have a championship for 2010. I personally have built six cars that will be run next year, and are still building more. My car was the first mk3 car to be built and was run on the back of last years series.
Maybe we should have made our intentions clear earlier.....
Paul
roddo said:
1 said:
Haven't Ma5da Racing also announced a MK3 championship?
Only I suspect there will be more than one MK3 in their "championship".
Yes Ma5da have announced a mk3 series for 2011.....Only I suspect there will be more than one MK3 in their "championship".
MAX5 have a championship for 2010. I personally have built six cars that will be run next year, and are still building more. My car was the first mk3 car to be built and was run on the back of last years series.
Maybe we should have made our intentions clear earlier.....
Paul
Just asking for clarity so as not to be confused....
Daz
Puzzled to work out how Max5 has retained championship status with those numbers, but then we haven't heard from the MSA grid size committee for some time now.
Either way I read in Autosport that Max5 are in talks to join the far more populated Ma5da series for next year anyway? I drew the conclusion from the article that the inclusion of MK3's into Ma5da had effectively unplugged the life support system that had kept Max5 going last year.
S.
stacy said:
Puzzled to work out how Max5 has retained championship status with those numbers, but then we haven't heard from the MSA grid size committee for some time now.
Either way I read in Autosport that Max5 are in talks to join the far more populated Ma5da series for next year anyway? I drew the conclusion from the article that the inclusion of MK3's into Ma5da had effectively unplugged the life support system that had kept Max5 going last year.
S.
Hi allEither way I read in Autosport that Max5 are in talks to join the far more populated Ma5da series for next year anyway? I drew the conclusion from the article that the inclusion of MK3's into Ma5da had effectively unplugged the life support system that had kept Max5 going last year.
S.
Yes max5 suffered with numbers last year however thats why things are changing. My car is the one in Autosport mag and unfortunately the editor has interpreted thing in lets say his own way.
Max5 and Ma5da racing have no connection and are not in talks about a merge.
We do however have more drivers signed for 2010 than last year, Along with Tv coverage for 2010
Max5 will also be at the Autosport show with mk3 cars.
Regards Paul
roddo said:
stacy said:
Puzzled to work out how Max5 has retained championship status with those numbers, but then we haven't heard from the MSA grid size committee for some time now.
Either way I read in Autosport that Max5 are in talks to join the far more populated Ma5da series for next year anyway? I drew the conclusion from the article that the inclusion of MK3's into Ma5da had effectively unplugged the life support system that had kept Max5 going last year.
S.
Hi allEither way I read in Autosport that Max5 are in talks to join the far more populated Ma5da series for next year anyway? I drew the conclusion from the article that the inclusion of MK3's into Ma5da had effectively unplugged the life support system that had kept Max5 going last year.
S.
Yes max5 suffered with numbers last year however thats why things are changing. My car is the one in Autosport mag and unfortunately the editor has interpreted thing in lets say his own way.
Max5 and Ma5da racing have no connection and are not in talks about a merge.
We do however have more drivers signed for 2010 than last year, Along with Tv coverage for 2010
Max5 will also be at the Autosport show with mk3 cars.
Regards Paul
In all honestly I think you will find we "Max5" have more mk3 cars ready to race than Ma5da.
Ma5da only want 2.0 cars where as we are trying to keep costs down by buying lightly damaged cars and turning them into race cars. Unfortunately 1.8 cars also get damaged!!!
Therefore we are allowing 1.8 cars to have some engine mods to bring the performance up to that of a standard 2.0 car.
Allowing us to build cars much cheaper.....
A quick question.....
Can Ma5da supply a mk3 race car today??? I dont know.. Maybe someone could answer???
Can Max5 supply a mk3 race car today??? YES.. From stock and will be at Autosport show...
I don't want to get into the politics, Like many of you I just want to race in a friendly environment and will do anything I can to help Max5 and the people who race in it!!!
Paul
Ma5da only want 2.0 cars where as we are trying to keep costs down by buying lightly damaged cars and turning them into race cars. Unfortunately 1.8 cars also get damaged!!!
Therefore we are allowing 1.8 cars to have some engine mods to bring the performance up to that of a standard 2.0 car.
Allowing us to build cars much cheaper.....
A quick question.....
Can Ma5da supply a mk3 race car today??? I dont know.. Maybe someone could answer???
Can Max5 supply a mk3 race car today??? YES.. From stock and will be at Autosport show...
I don't want to get into the politics, Like many of you I just want to race in a friendly environment and will do anything I can to help Max5 and the people who race in it!!!
Paul
OK, let's put it another way.
Assuming you have an uplift to 8 cars for 2010, circuit hire is ballpark £6k per hour. A single race needs half of that, so £3k to be raised from each grid to commercially stand up.
£3k divided by 8 drivers (average) gives you an entry fee of £375 per single header race. In a world where some are charging £120 for that at premier circuits (P8R with PBMW and TTRS) and I think 750MC are next up at £190 (someone may correct me).
You could lower the entry fee (not many will pay that) by a) going to cheaper circuits, or b) having your organizing club (BARC) subsidise the fee by taking it from their other profitable series.
Neither, to me at any rate, makes sense when you take the holistic view including slots on decreasing race dates, stretching marshall numbers and spectator interest - TV or not.
If I was BARC (or the other series that will be subsidising you) I'd be asking you to donate the money you paid for the TV to BARC coffers to offset the subsidy, but maybe they feel there's either a point of principle involved or another driver in keeping an MX5 series in their fold.
They've long been an exponent of the subsidy approach, and I've been grateful for it in years past I will vouch, but it's become apparent that a more ruthless approach is probably necessary if you accept there are just too many series fighting for too few slots nowadays.
The saga with the MX5 series is a sad one because the series was a good idea I'd agree, and I even had a kit and a donor car at one point (in fact I have discovered lurking in storage the engine years later!) but I lost the love when the regs started changing on me for a period and sold it in a bit of a huff.
It might be painful but I suspect the weight of opinion on here and in the wider world, for those who think about such things anyway, will be for personal differences to be put aside and there to be one series in the UK for MX5's sporting full grids of all the models.
If you're who I think you are (and therefore undoubtedly quick) I'd personally like to see you racing in a thicker grid somewhere - if the MK3's aren't competitive for anything that would suit then offload them to Ma5da and find something else..
Here's hoping.
S.
p.s Alternatively you can put 20 cars on the grid for your first race in 2010 then I'll be the first to raise a glass to talking cobblers. If not..
roddo said:
Ma5da only want 2.0 cars where as we are trying to keep costs down by buying lightly damaged cars and turning them into race cars. Unfortunately 1.8 cars also get damaged!!!
Therefore we are allowing 1.8 cars to have some engine mods to bring the performance up to that of a standard 2.0 car.
Allowing us to build cars much cheaper.....
A quick question.....
Can Ma5da supply a mk3 race car today??? I dont know.. Maybe someone could answer???
Can Max5 supply a mk3 race car today??? YES.. From stock and will be at Autosport show...
If the only thing stopping you joining them is that they wont allow your 1.8, then I suspect if you ask nicely they would be open to it, if they could be equalised.Therefore we are allowing 1.8 cars to have some engine mods to bring the performance up to that of a standard 2.0 car.
Allowing us to build cars much cheaper.....
A quick question.....
Can Ma5da supply a mk3 race car today??? I dont know.. Maybe someone could answer???
Can Max5 supply a mk3 race car today??? YES.. From stock and will be at Autosport show...
As for who can build a car quickest, you can build a car in less than a week and we are still over 3 months from the start of the season, so I cant really see the relevance.
As Stacy has said why not bring the costs down for everyone and create a better spectacle by joining forces? From what I understand 2 people fell out and 1 of them is no longer involved so what's the problem?
As Stacy has said why not bring the costs down for everyone and create a better spectacle by joining forces? From what I understand 2 people fell out and 1 of them is no longer involved so what's the problem?
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There isn't a problem. Max5 have a championship for 2010 ma5da racing doesn't
Ma5da do have a Series though. It looks as though they have carefully kept it separate from their existing (successful) Mk1 Championship. Presumably Max5 only has a championship because Mk3s are being allowed into/taking over the existing Max 5 Mk1 championship?
I also happen to think that one healthy championship for all MX-5s would be the way forward...
I also happen to think that one healthy championship for all MX-5s would be the way forward...
Dear All
Just a confirmation update on a few points on this topic:
1. Ma5da Racing 2010.
We have a series of 4 events and 8 races during 2010 for the mk3, known as the Ma5da MX5 Cup. This could have been a class Championship of the existing mk1 but it was decided to make it a separate Championship for 2011 by meeting all the regulations set by the MSA. However we have published a full MSA Winter Championship for the mk3, 2 events and 4 races. 2 at Donington and 2 races at Brands Hatch. (see below for brochure including calendar)
The mk1 will remain a separate MX5 Championship and the mk3 is not a replacement, but a natural progression. It is expected that only 20% of the existing drivers will migrate, the remainder will be from other more expensive Championships. It was decided that to have a successfull Championship for the mk3 it must have it's own grid space, which it does, and that due to the current economic climate it would be better to have a year of build up in advance of the 2011 Championship. This will ensure that in excess of 30 cars will be ready to race in 2011.
Current uptake for the mk3 is 17 committed cars and drivers with free registrations opening at 5pm on Monday 25th January 2010.
2. mk3 Specification.
The Ma5da MX5 Cup is based on the 2.0ltr MX5 Sport and will be the only eligible car for the 2011 championship. Why? Simple really, Mazda have already produced the MX5 Cup racing in Japan, USA, Italy and Belgium over the past 2 years and during discussions with Mazda UK it was identified that they wanted to keep the UK mk3 racing the same. Also the 2.Lt come standard with a slip diff and 6 speed gearbox and was originally chosen for its reliability by Mazda.
Before you build a bridge, first you must design it, as the saying goes. Ma5da Racing took the view that a successfully Championship must first have a road map and specification before being launched. To this effect you must also have an equally race car if you wish to have a single make, single class championship. The 1.8ltr and 2.0ltr ruining together distorts this and even if you try to ballast power to weight it leaves success in the pocket of the owner. In the Ma5da MX5 Cup, you will not be able to buy your way to the front, you will need to drive the car there.
3. Talks between MaX5 and Ma5da Racing.
In November MaX5 were invited to talks over the development of the mk3. This took place at Oulton Park and an outline of the above was promoted to MaX5 for consideration. Talks were due to be reconvened a week later at Brands Hatch, where Ma5da Racing had engaged the assistance of the BRSCC, GAZ shocks and the Ma5da Co-ordinators. Unfortunately MaX5 decided not to attend the meeting, although they were present at the circuit. The article in Autosport was accurate and to today we have not had any further contact, although the MaX5 cars have been invited to attend any of the 2010 series of races, but unfortunately only the 2.0ltr will be eligible for the winter Championship or 2011 Ma5da MX5 Cup.
I hope this clarifies some of the points raised, but feel free to ask any further questions.
One final note, Ma5da have 7 built cars currently with the first car being built by Paul Sheard back in 2008. If you are interested in more details the following brochures may help? Ma5da Racing can currently build a mk3 in less than two weeks to full 2011 Championship specification.
2010 Ma5da MX5 Championship (mk1) - http://www.ma5daracing.com/2010/files/mk1.pdf
2010 Ma5da MX5 Cup (mk3) - http://www.ma5daracing.com/2010/files/mk3.pdf
Hope this helps?
Kind regards
Jonathan Blake
Championship Director
Ma5daRacing.com
Just a confirmation update on a few points on this topic:
1. Ma5da Racing 2010.
We have a series of 4 events and 8 races during 2010 for the mk3, known as the Ma5da MX5 Cup. This could have been a class Championship of the existing mk1 but it was decided to make it a separate Championship for 2011 by meeting all the regulations set by the MSA. However we have published a full MSA Winter Championship for the mk3, 2 events and 4 races. 2 at Donington and 2 races at Brands Hatch. (see below for brochure including calendar)
The mk1 will remain a separate MX5 Championship and the mk3 is not a replacement, but a natural progression. It is expected that only 20% of the existing drivers will migrate, the remainder will be from other more expensive Championships. It was decided that to have a successfull Championship for the mk3 it must have it's own grid space, which it does, and that due to the current economic climate it would be better to have a year of build up in advance of the 2011 Championship. This will ensure that in excess of 30 cars will be ready to race in 2011.
Current uptake for the mk3 is 17 committed cars and drivers with free registrations opening at 5pm on Monday 25th January 2010.
2. mk3 Specification.
The Ma5da MX5 Cup is based on the 2.0ltr MX5 Sport and will be the only eligible car for the 2011 championship. Why? Simple really, Mazda have already produced the MX5 Cup racing in Japan, USA, Italy and Belgium over the past 2 years and during discussions with Mazda UK it was identified that they wanted to keep the UK mk3 racing the same. Also the 2.Lt come standard with a slip diff and 6 speed gearbox and was originally chosen for its reliability by Mazda.
Before you build a bridge, first you must design it, as the saying goes. Ma5da Racing took the view that a successfully Championship must first have a road map and specification before being launched. To this effect you must also have an equally race car if you wish to have a single make, single class championship. The 1.8ltr and 2.0ltr ruining together distorts this and even if you try to ballast power to weight it leaves success in the pocket of the owner. In the Ma5da MX5 Cup, you will not be able to buy your way to the front, you will need to drive the car there.
3. Talks between MaX5 and Ma5da Racing.
In November MaX5 were invited to talks over the development of the mk3. This took place at Oulton Park and an outline of the above was promoted to MaX5 for consideration. Talks were due to be reconvened a week later at Brands Hatch, where Ma5da Racing had engaged the assistance of the BRSCC, GAZ shocks and the Ma5da Co-ordinators. Unfortunately MaX5 decided not to attend the meeting, although they were present at the circuit. The article in Autosport was accurate and to today we have not had any further contact, although the MaX5 cars have been invited to attend any of the 2010 series of races, but unfortunately only the 2.0ltr will be eligible for the winter Championship or 2011 Ma5da MX5 Cup.
I hope this clarifies some of the points raised, but feel free to ask any further questions.
One final note, Ma5da have 7 built cars currently with the first car being built by Paul Sheard back in 2008. If you are interested in more details the following brochures may help? Ma5da Racing can currently build a mk3 in less than two weeks to full 2011 Championship specification.
2010 Ma5da MX5 Championship (mk1) - http://www.ma5daracing.com/2010/files/mk1.pdf
2010 Ma5da MX5 Cup (mk3) - http://www.ma5daracing.com/2010/files/mk3.pdf
Hope this helps?
Kind regards
Jonathan Blake
Championship Director
Ma5daRacing.com
Edited by blakey99 on Friday 22 January 18:09
Edited by blakey99 on Friday 22 January 18:11
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