Ultima RS model is announced
Discussion
JulierPass said:
Storer and deadscoob, I appreciate what you are saying. However if demand is so phenomenal why don't they go and form a partnership with a reputable 3rd party to carry out customer builds? At the very least that would be the sensible business decision. That would allow them to focus on the hobby builder whilst gaining momentum with people like me who race cars and enjoy them but have no interest in the mechanical side.
Whilst they may not be paying for a stand at Goodwood, the still want the car there to show it to the world, so it seems ludicrous to do that only to end up dealing with potential customers in the way I have been dealt with, and I know for a fact I'm not the only one.
Pay me 10k and send the crates and I will build it for you! Whilst they may not be paying for a stand at Goodwood, the still want the car there to show it to the world, so it seems ludicrous to do that only to end up dealing with potential customers in the way I have been dealt with, and I know for a fact I'm not the only one.
JulierPass said:
I'd take you up on it, but I'd want some sort of warranty behind the build especially when you are investing north of 6 figures into the car.
Warranty on parts is with Ultima as a builder it stops at passing regs to make sure it’s been built properly. When we’ve built aircraft our job stops once the caa test fly and sign off, then any parts that need warranty work is taken up with the manufacturer, no external builder can offer a warranty on an item that isn’t theirs all they can do is guarantee the work done and once it passes safety regs and an sva like any car it’s on the manufacturer then They will send you a part and the builder will fit it for you if you can’t/don’t do it yourself
Edited by ghost83 on Saturday 15th June 09:44
ghost83 said:
JulierPass said:
I'd take you up on it, but I'd want some sort of warranty behind the build especially when you are investing north of 6 figures into the car.
Warranty on parts is with Ultima as a builder it stops at passing regs to make sure it’s been built properly. When we’ve built aircraft our job stops once the caa test fly and sign off, then any parts that need warranty work is taken up with the manufacturer, no external builder can offer a warranty on an item that isn’t theirs all they can do is guarantee the work done and once it passes safety regs and an sva like any car it’s on the manufacturer then They will send you a part and the builder will fit it for you if you can’t/don’t do it yourself
Edited by ghost83 on Saturday 15th June 09:44
JulierPass said:
This is exactly what I mean. I have an R66 so am very familiar with what you have said. Unless the builder is vetted / reputable and recommended by the factory there is no way of knowing, from my point of view, that he has done a good job.
Well if it’s not a good job then it would be spotted during sva tests there’s not much to get wrong tbh the spceframe is already built it’s basically a big Meccano set! Best bit about the kit tbh you get around 40 boxes of parts and 2 big crates if there’s any problems the factory are brilliant to deal with, me personally am going over to a hanger in rufforth as we built an aircraft for someone and a few years later during inspection his engine cradle has cracked due to wear and tear so the factory have sent another and we are going over to remove the engine and fit a new cradle and refit the engine then you have to get someone from the caa to fly it to ok it all, it’s all fun tbh! Last car we did was a Westfield with a corsa vxr engine and we did another westie with a x20xev in throttle bodies! Huge funJulierPass said:
This is exactly what I mean. I have an R66 so am very familiar with what you have said. Unless the builder is vetted / reputable and recommended by the factory there is no way of knowing, from my point of view, that he has done a good job.
You will not get a manufacturer to recommend someone else to build their product.Simple choice. Wait 2 years, build yourself, employ someone else. Neither of the last two will get a warranty on the build.
Any builder worth their salt will fix an issue providing it is their fault and not a usage issue..
JulierPass said:
This is exactly what I mean. I have an R66 so am very familiar with what you have said. Unless the builder is vetted / reputable and recommended by the factory there is no way of knowing, from my point of view, that he has done a good job.
To be brutally honest an Ultima is not for you. These are not cars you just jump in and go. They are much closer to a race car and need checks, warm up and occasional fettling.
Drive one like Tiff Needell or Clarkson and it will always be in the garage (like most other makes). Drive it sensibly and not much is faster or more fun.
Storer said:
JulierPass said:
This is exactly what I mean. I have an R66 so am very familiar with what you have said. Unless the builder is vetted / reputable and recommended by the factory there is no way of knowing, from my point of view, that he has done a good job.
You will not get a manufacturer to recommend someone else to build their product.Simple choice. Wait 2 years, build yourself, employ someone else. Neither of the last two will get a warranty on the build.
Any builder worth their salt will fix an issue providing it is their fault and not a usage issue..
A manufacturer would recommend a reputable 3rd party for the build if there was commercial gain in it for the manufacturer
Lots of other businesses (Robinson Helicopters being one) have exactly this relationship. It allows them to sell far more kits and get their products in to the hands of people who would otherwise have never have owned them. Regarding the car not being for me, I run lots of race cars, a Porsche Cup car being one and that requires very careful warming up and a rebuilding on a hourly scheduled basis so I'm sure an Ultima will be a walk in the park by comparison 
JulierPass said:
The problem is it's not a 2 year wait. The factory are flat refusing to take on any more builds - I've tried.
Regarding the car not being for me, I run lots of race cars, a Porsche Cup car being one and that requires very careful warming up and a rebuilding on a hourly scheduled basis so I'm sure an Ultima will be a walk in the park by comparison
Interesting conversation. I'm a long time amateur racer - open wheelers, Porsches, currently Radicals etc. I recently bought an older already built Ultima GTR after not being able to get an EVO kit in the form I wanted from the factory last year. Regarding the car not being for me, I run lots of race cars, a Porsche Cup car being one and that requires very careful warming up and a rebuilding on a hourly scheduled basis so I'm sure an Ultima will be a walk in the park by comparison
The Ultima is not really a focused race car in the way a Cup Car or a Radical is. If you want it for that type of thing you will be disappointed unless you modify it from standard a lot. It's more of a hobby supercar, slightly non-sensical but a huge amount of fun particularly for those who like playing around with cars, building them, modifying them and tinkering with them.
If you don't like the hobby aspect of cars and just want to drive a high performance, high quality, warranted factory type product then you probably won't like an Ultima, even one built to a very high standard because it will never approach the fit and finish level of a production supercar like Mclaren, and it will certainly never be a Singer.... Maybe it's fortunate you can't order one at the moment, you might be being saved from future disappointment?!
After going through the new prices for the RS car it seems lot of parts have doubled in price from the evo, not sure why. So I put together a XL sheet with a spec I would want i.e. it includes the rear wing, carbon front splitter and rear difuser, aircon, interior carpet, bulk head, aim dash etc. I'd say this would be the minimum spec and 4 prices for the following engines; LS3, LS7, LT1 and LT4. It came out a lot more than I was expecting £81k for the LS3 and goes up from. I have added a lot of carbon which pushes the price up of course.
I might be missing some parts but this is to the best of my knowledge so hopefully fairly accurate:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AiAYBMq-hhN2hY96mvWSW7ZBH3m8JA...
I might be missing some parts but this is to the best of my knowledge so hopefully fairly accurate:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AiAYBMq-hhN2hY96mvWSW7ZBH3m8JA...
OziSteve said:
JulierPass said:
The problem is it's not a 2 year wait. The factory are flat refusing to take on any more builds - I've tried.
Regarding the car not being for me, I run lots of race cars, a Porsche Cup car being one and that requires very careful warming up and a rebuilding on a hourly scheduled basis so I'm sure an Ultima will be a walk in the park by comparison
Interesting conversation. I'm a long time amateur racer - open wheelers, Porsches, currently Radicals etc. I recently bought an older already built Ultima GTR after not being able to get an EVO kit in the form I wanted from the factory last year. Regarding the car not being for me, I run lots of race cars, a Porsche Cup car being one and that requires very careful warming up and a rebuilding on a hourly scheduled basis so I'm sure an Ultima will be a walk in the park by comparison
The Ultima is not really a focused race car in the way a Cup Car or a Radical is. If you want it for that type of thing you will be disappointed unless you modify it from standard a lot. It's more of a hobby supercar, slightly non-sensical but a huge amount of fun particularly for those who like playing around with cars, building them, modifying them and tinkering with them.
If you don't like the hobby aspect of cars and just want to drive a high performance, high quality, warranted factory type product then you probably won't like an Ultima, even one built to a very high standard because it will never approach the fit and finish level of a production supercar like Mclaren, and it will certainly never be a Singer.... Maybe it's fortunate you can't order one at the moment, you might be being saved from future disappointment?!
Storer said:
You will not get a manufacturer to recommend someone else to build their product.
Simple choice. Wait 2 years, build yourself, employ someone else. Neither of the last two will get a warranty on the build.
Any builder worth their salt will fix an issue providing it is their fault and not a usage issue..
Why wait 2yrs factory told me they could have a kit with myself within 22 weeksSimple choice. Wait 2 years, build yourself, employ someone else. Neither of the last two will get a warranty on the build.
Any builder worth their salt will fix an issue providing it is their fault and not a usage issue..
Storer said:
The 2 years was current (prior to RS launch) waiting period for fully built car.
Ahhh fair enough I’m suprised it’s a 2yr wait clearly got a few orders in, they’ve told me they can have me a full kit and engine in my workshop within 22 weeks and then build wouldn’t take too long tbh it’s a 300hr build roughly But the more you do the quicker it gets wannabe-racer said:
After going through the new prices for the RS car it seems lot of parts have doubled in price from the evo, not sure why. So I put together a XL sheet with a spec I would want i.e. it includes the rear wing, carbon front splitter and rear difuser, aircon, interior carpet, bulk head, aim dash etc. I'd say this would be the minimum spec and 4 prices for the following engines; LS3, LS7, LT1 and LT4. It came out a lot more than I was expecting £81k for the LS3 and goes up from. I have added a lot of carbon which pushes the price up of course.
I might be missing some parts but this is to the best of my knowledge so hopefully fairly accurate:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AiAYBMq-hhN2hY96mvWSW7ZBH3m8JA...
Where did you get the price list from?I might be missing some parts but this is to the best of my knowledge so hopefully fairly accurate:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AiAYBMq-hhN2hY96mvWSW7ZBH3m8JA...
Storer said:
wannabe-racer said:
After going through the new prices for the RS car it seems lot of parts have doubled in price from the evo, not sure why. So I put together a XL sheet with a spec I would want i.e. it includes the rear wing, carbon front splitter and rear difuser, aircon, interior carpet, bulk head, aim dash etc. I'd say this would be the minimum spec and 4 prices for the following engines; LS3, LS7, LT1 and LT4. It came out a lot more than I was expecting £81k for the LS3 and goes up from. I have added a lot of carbon which pushes the price up of course.
I might be missing some parts but this is to the best of my knowledge so hopefully fairly accurate:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AiAYBMq-hhN2hY96mvWSW7ZBH3m8JA...
Where did you get the price list from?I might be missing some parts but this is to the best of my knowledge so hopefully fairly accurate:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AiAYBMq-hhN2hY96mvWSW7ZBH3m8JA...
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Edited by ghost83 on Sunday 16th June 22:45
All Ultima Enthusiasts,
Just wanted to let you all know that due to an unprecedented volume of emails, new orders and enquiries upon release of our new Ultima RS model - we are currently looking at a reply time of around 7 days to emails and enquiries at this moment in time. We will do everything in our power to resume our normal prompt service over the coming weeks. Due to huge demand from our clients we also endeavour and intend to be able to supply all Ultima Owners with the raft of RS fitment items in due course, should owners wish to upgrade various zones of their choice to their existing Ultima vehicle.
Regards to all,
Just wanted to let you all know that due to an unprecedented volume of emails, new orders and enquiries upon release of our new Ultima RS model - we are currently looking at a reply time of around 7 days to emails and enquiries at this moment in time. We will do everything in our power to resume our normal prompt service over the coming weeks. Due to huge demand from our clients we also endeavour and intend to be able to supply all Ultima Owners with the raft of RS fitment items in due course, should owners wish to upgrade various zones of their choice to their existing Ultima vehicle.
Regards to all,
Edited by Ultima factory on Monday 17th June 15:08
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