Stig's new engine.
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ultimaandy said: Three good reasons to stick to a chevy.
1. They are proven to work in the car.
2. Cheap to buy, tune and get working.
3. The bits to fit them are available off the shelf.
4. Old block means zero emissions regs and thus more power.
The last one is worth remembering, newer BMW, Merc, Audi, Lexus V8's will struggle to match the power as they will be subject to stricter emisions which strangle power.
I really wanted a BMW V8 from the M series, but would never have got it on the road.
Let us know what you do.
And as a final thought, there is a GTR in the USA with twin turbos on a chevy V8 that can go over 1200bhp with the wick turned up (not with NOS).
There is always someone that has gone one better.
Im very aware of all point you made...but im not new at this businece...Yes cheys are great but are not an option for my..It's the year 2003 soon im not going to put thing from the 60is in my car
But hey im not going to say it's bad but every one has an one opinion an we dont like cheys...
Our things is Import cars...And all of us has have euro/japs cars that have made 700-800hk on 3 liters turbo cars...
And yes I know about the Spectrum car...it's a pice of art but not my art...My car going to be build for a diffrent purpose....Not for 400km/h runs..more for track and streetraces....The car is going to the stripp and to track
>> Edited by GTRmannen on Wednesday 27th November 16:37
Hi All
The Chevy option i also cosidered seriously but i stil prefer to go the route of more sofisticated engine
with a very gd management system
and the Ultima a very very beautiful car would soud great to put in a V12 engine the deep sound
and with a turbo you can easely get over 750 Hp with very gd emisions
GTRmannen said:
ultimaandy said: Three good reasons to stick to a chevy.
1. They are proven to work in the car.
2. Cheap to buy, tune and get working.
3. The bits to fit them are available off the shelf.
4. Old block means zero emissions regs and thus more power.
The last one is worth remembering, newer BMW, Merc, Audi, Lexus V8's will struggle to match the power as they will be subject to stricter emisions which strangle power.
I really wanted a BMW V8 from the M series, but would never have got it on the road.
Let us know what you do.
And as a final thought, there is a GTR in the USA with twin turbos on a chevy V8 that can go over 1200bhp with the wick turned up (not with NOS).
There is always someone that has gone one better.
Im very aware of all point you made...but im not new at this businece...Yes cheys are great but are not an option for my..It's the year 2003 soon im not going to put thing from the 60is in my car
But hey im not going to say it's bad but every one has an one opinion an we dont like cheys...
Our things is Import cars...And all of us has have euro/japs cars that have made 700-800hk on 3 liters turbo cars...
And yes I know about the Spectrum car...it's a pice of art but not my art...My car going to be build for a diffrent purpose....Not for 400km/h runs..more for track and streetraces....The car is going to the stripp and to track
>> Edited by GTRmannen on Wednesday 27th November 16:37
Here you are GTRMannen, here's a nice motor for your "Stig-Crusher" !
Don't worry about the weight, if you did get beaten, you could always squash his car with the weight of the engine.
1500HP in a crate motor is not bad and this unit has on-board engine management as
well. You could also say that this motor IS bulletproof
www.geae.com/military/lv100.html
>> Edited by ultimasimon on Wednesday 27th November 18:55
Don't worry about the weight, if you did get beaten, you could always squash his car with the weight of the engine.
1500HP in a crate motor is not bad and this unit has on-board engine management as well. You could also say that this motor IS bulletproof
www.geae.com/military/lv100.html
>> Edited by ultimasimon on Wednesday 27th November 18:55
alfasteve
I really didn't want a chevy for my car for the same reasons just ask GTRCLIVE.
But for my first car I was convinced to go the usual chevy route and its turned out great. Revs to 7000rpm has a monsterous powerband and didn't cost the earth.
However I still hanker after that 8000+rpm twin turbo V12. I may yet be tempted.
I really didn't want a chevy for my car for the same reasons just ask GTRCLIVE.
But for my first car I was convinced to go the usual chevy route and its turned out great. Revs to 7000rpm has a monsterous powerband and didn't cost the earth.
However I still hanker after that 8000+rpm twin turbo V12. I may yet be tempted.
If you can get 1000 BHP from a 6.6 litre Procharged chevy, what more would you want !!!
ps when getting into that kind of horsepower the porsche gearboxes are no longer "relieable". So if 500-600bhp will not do, then you better start development on your own, or nick a Le Mans Audi R8 box.
ps when getting into that kind of horsepower the porsche gearboxes are no longer "relieable". So if 500-600bhp will not do, then you better start development on your own, or nick a Le Mans Audi R8 box.
Just a thought. If you want to play with different engine installations why not check out what the Hot-Rodders have accomplished. I have seen Chrysler V-10's and current late model cadillac, northstar 32-valve, engines installed in some wild machines. Toyota v8 and ferrari power has also been applied to street rods. There was a streetrod built in San Francisco recently that used a Ferrari 550 engine and custom Ostrich skin interior. Price? Over 1 Million $$$$'s. The rule with car building is if you stray to far from the pack you better be able to back it up with some serious money.
My friend, and his son, are installing a chevy v8 and 6-speed trans into a 1991 Toyota Supra. The engine was removed from a slightly dented 1996 Camaro. A year and a half later the engine and transmission are in the car and running, not driving, but running. It has tested their skills and patience to get it to this point. They are to far into it to just abandon the project and they will finish it, but at what cost? They already know that the rear of the car is to fragile to handle the increased torque. It will have to be driven with care.
I like to drive cars to much to be spending my time money and patience trying to out ego the next guy. But on a lighter note if you do install some quad turbo v12, parents cover your children, radical ultima. Just tell the world how you did it so that someone else can start building a faster one.
>> Edited by keithl on Thursday 28th November 03:38
>> Edited by keithl on Thursday 28th November 03:54
My friend, and his son, are installing a chevy v8 and 6-speed trans into a 1991 Toyota Supra. The engine was removed from a slightly dented 1996 Camaro. A year and a half later the engine and transmission are in the car and running, not driving, but running. It has tested their skills and patience to get it to this point. They are to far into it to just abandon the project and they will finish it, but at what cost? They already know that the rear of the car is to fragile to handle the increased torque. It will have to be driven with care.
I like to drive cars to much to be spending my time money and patience trying to out ego the next guy. But on a lighter note if you do install some quad turbo v12, parents cover your children, radical ultima. Just tell the world how you did it so that someone else can start building a faster one.
>> Edited by keithl on Thursday 28th November 03:38
>> Edited by keithl on Thursday 28th November 03:54
GTRCLIVE said:
ps when getting into that kind of horsepower the porsche gearboxes are no longer "relieable". So if 500-600bhp will not do, then you better start development on your own, or nick a Le Mans Audi R8 box.
There are plenty of people out there who make a transaxle that can take the power. Hewland, Hollinger etc. They tend to be a bit more race oriented than the Porker box, but you have the advantage of picking exactly the ratios that will best suit your engine, and you can go for the sequential option if you so desire.
Hewland even have a little utility on their website, where you enter the power characteristics of your engine, and it works out which ratios you should go for.
James
Hi Andy
A Turbo specialist explained to me to go for a single turbo wich he specificaly decined for these kind of engines
it is one wich will hardly have a lag period and wil give power between 600 and 900 Hp
wich will be suficient for me as the car /box can handle max 1000 hp
torque figures will be around 580 and 820
depending on the presure and the cost will be around the 10000 Euro
ultimaandy said: alfasteve
I really didn't want a chevy for my car for the same reasons just ask GTRCLIVE.
But for my first car I was convinced to go the usual chevy route and its turned out great. Revs to 7000rpm has a monsterous powerband and didn't cost the earth.
However I still hanker after that 8000+rpm twin turbo V12. I may yet be tempted.
GTRKricke said: I can tell you that there are two more turboUlitmas comming. ( All 3 from Sweden )
Since the other two crazy swedes have indroduced them selves I take the oportunity to do the same... I'm confident that our cars will be something special and that the Ultima Community will have three more cars to be very proud about.
The choice of engine is very important for us. Carburators and NA engines is not an option. Advance engine management systems and forced induction is the way to go in this century...
As GTRmannen said, we are not new in this game. We have already built a few 1700 kilo street cars with 3 liter engines that hits 10's in the quater miles and still sets very respectabe laptimes. If we can take 750+ "street" HP out of three liters, guess what we can do with a V8
This will be interesting
Just to let you all know, i am currently building a V8 350ci twin turbo motor with watercooled twin pump intercooler, Digital Sequential FI Motec EMS (M 48 pro)
Heads now on order from AFR in the USA
New block courtesy of 1972 crate in US army storage
Lunati crank
6" rods
JM Pistons (still waiting for them to arrive)
Comp Cams cam
2 Garret TC's sitting under my workshop bench
(i have a spare Roots supercharger if anyone wants it to suit a 4ltr car)
And its a UK car...woohooo
Just gonna take a lot to explain the credit card bills to the wife....ahhh the price we pay
Oh and GTR TT....we already have a 2.6 ltr V8 which will give you 1,400+ HP...it sits in Cosworth powered CART cars still would like to see a HBX in an Ultima tho
>> Edited by UltimaAnimal on Thursday 28th November 15:08
Heads now on order from AFR in the USA
New block courtesy of 1972 crate in US army storage
Lunati crank
6" rods
JM Pistons (still waiting for them to arrive)
Comp Cams cam
2 Garret TC's sitting under my workshop bench
(i have a spare Roots supercharger if anyone wants it to suit a 4ltr car)
And its a UK car...woohooo
Just gonna take a lot to explain the credit card bills to the wife
....ahhh the price we pay Oh and GTR TT....we already have a 2.6 ltr V8 which will give you 1,400+ HP...it sits in Cosworth powered CART cars
still would like to see a HBX in an Ultima tho >> Edited by UltimaAnimal on Thursday 28th November 15:08
UltimaAnimal said: Oh and GTR TT....we already have a 2.6 ltr V8 which will give you 1,400+ HP...it sits in Cosworth powered CART cars
Sounds like you have a nice project going
Making 1400 hp isn't a big problem, you can't say that a cart engine is something that you can use on the streets. When you can deliver 700-1000HP on pump gas and the engine can handle full power for minutes and driven in full race speed for houers then you have done something to be proud about...
Most Ultima owners are at their most concern in traffic ( which is where we Brits spend most of our time ) the water and under hood temperature increases very quickly. Causing overheating and petrol vapourisation.
My upgrades for 2003 are ceramic coatings on my exhaust and other heat control ideas. With two turbos and intercooler stuck under the hood, I spy a barbeque
IMHO
My upgrades for 2003 are ceramic coatings on my exhaust and other heat control ideas. With two turbos and intercooler stuck under the hood, I spy a barbeque
IMHO
G Man, that is why i need to get closer to a completed GTR, i suspect that the bodywork at the point where the exhaust header to muffler joint is (where my turbos will be), is well clear of the bodywork. Enough room for heat insulation to be added on the glass fiber and about 1" standoff to reflect heat back. I am going to order the larger radiator that is offered by the factory. I also intend to install the Radiators for the intercoolers in the side vents and blow air over the rads into the engine bay. If angled correctly this should vastly help dissipate heat generated out towards the rear of a stationary car. Forced air ventilation can be very effective. But untill the bodywork and engine are complete on my project, i have no way of knowing for sure.....but i am positive i can make this work, i have access to some very decent fabricators and machine shops
GTR TT...there is one Ultima that i know about with a Cosworth DFR fitted (dont think its on the road tho)
GTR TT...there is one Ultima that i know about with a Cosworth DFR fitted (dont think its on the road tho
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