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ultimasimon

9,641 posts

259 months

Saturday 25th January 2003
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I feel a race coming on...

Stig vs Andy down the pod then? 600 blown bhp against a lighter can am with a four speed box - less gear changes - it should be close. I've been in Andy's Can Am and its quick.

Gentlemen start your engines . . .

JCof T.O.

98 posts

258 months

Saturday 25th January 2003
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ultimasimon said: I feel a race coming on...

Stig vs Andy down the pod then? 600 blown bhp against a lighter can am with a four speed box - less gear changes - it should be close. I've been in Andy's Can Am and its quick.

Gentlemen start your engines . . .

This has brought up a question that I have been wondering about for a while. At what point (speed) would you say the Can-Am looses its weight advantage to the GTR's aerodynamic advantage? I can see the GTR being faster on a higher speed course like Lemans but I won't be there anytime in the near future. I will be tracking the car on race courses such as Mosport and Watkins glen.

Thx JC

ultimaandy

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1,225 posts

265 months

Saturday 25th January 2003
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Have I missed something? How did the debate move over to racing?

And why does everyone think that the GTR is more airodynamic than the Can-am?

I've taken mine to 170mph and it was still acelerating hard and in fact the engine still had 1500rpm to go before the power tails off!.....and I had the roof down!


Oh. just for those interested......BRING IT ON!

ultimapaul

3,937 posts

265 months

Saturday 25th January 2003
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Coupe's, hard tops etc are always more aerodynamic than an equivilent drop top. Once the air has flowed over the windscreen it has a smooth passage over the roof with no extra/very little resistance. In an open top it has far more buffeting. Roll bar, occupants, seats and everything else. Just the way it is I'm affraid.

GTRCLIVE

4,186 posts

284 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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So there Andy that told you.....

gtrsonecanamszerototakeacommonfraze

ultimaandy

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1,225 posts

265 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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I don't think the sports and spyders results in the wind tunnel hold that theory true.

And a formula 1 car and top Le-mans cars are all open topped.

End of the day I suppose we will only know when I try to go supersonic and pass the 200mph barrier.

notthatithinkthecanamisbetteranyway

canam-phil

489 posts

260 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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ultimaandy said: Have I missed something? How did the debate move over to racing?

And why does everyone think that the GTR is more airodynamic than the Can-am?

I've taken mine to 170mph and it was still acelerating hard and in fact the engine still had 1500rpm to go before the power tails off!.....and I had the roof down!


Oh. just for those interested......BRING IT ON!

Your engine power (at the rear wheels) may tail off after another 1500rpm but that's not the problem. The aero drag increases as the square of the velocity (other things being equal eg drag coefficient remaining constant). Will your engine be producing the additional required power over and above that it is producing at 170mph? You have your dyno charts, some simple maths will tell you.



>> Edited by canam-phil on Sunday 26th January 11:07

ultimapaul

3,937 posts

265 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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ultimaandy said: I don't think the sports and spyders results in the wind tunnel hold that theory true.

And a formula 1 car and top Le-mans cars are all open topped.


notthatithinkthecanamisbetteranyway



That is why open top (Audi) Le Mans cars are running under different rules to closed tops (Bently). Also, F1 rules dictate open topped cars otherwise they would run closed tops.