How fast is the Ultima?
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Sorry? A real supercar must do at least 220mph? So that means that, let's see...
The Diablo isn't a real supercar.
The F40 and F50 aren't real supercars....
I think that you may have got your conversion from Km/h to mph wrong, otherwise there would only be 1 "real Supercar", and it would be British
My car is geared for accelleration, as it's set up for the track, and I don't know of many tracks where you need to be able to do 220mph before you need to hit the brakes. None that I race at anyway. Other cars are geared for higher speeds, but it really does come down to what the individual owner wants.
That's the beauty of this car. You decide what you want out of it, and you spec it so that it will do exactly that. You get the engine with the power characteristics that you want, and mate it to the gearbox that you want.
To ask "how fast will an Ultima go?" is a false question. You could ask "how fast has one gone?", but then somebody else might come along with a more powerful engine, slightly different aerodynamic setup or different gear ratio, and go a bit faster.
I think that the real answer to your question would be "fast enough". We know that one has done 220mph, and we know that (if somebody particularly wanted to) they could build one that would go faster still. If you think that 220mph (or 200 or 180) is slow, you must fly a Tornado or F16 for a living.
James
The Diablo isn't a real supercar.
The F40 and F50 aren't real supercars....
I think that you may have got your conversion from Km/h to mph wrong, otherwise there would only be 1 "real Supercar", and it would be British
My car is geared for accelleration, as it's set up for the track, and I don't know of many tracks where you need to be able to do 220mph before you need to hit the brakes. None that I race at anyway
. Other cars are geared for higher speeds, but it really does come down to what the individual owner wants. That's the beauty of this car. You decide what you want out of it, and you spec it so that it will do exactly that. You get the engine with the power characteristics that you want, and mate it to the gearbox that you want.
To ask "how fast will an Ultima go?" is a false question. You could ask "how fast has one gone?", but then somebody else might come along with a more powerful engine, slightly different aerodynamic setup or different gear ratio, and go a bit faster.
I think that the real answer to your question would be "fast enough". We know that one has done 220mph, and we know that (if somebody particularly wanted to) they could build one that would go faster still. If you think that 220mph (or 200 or 180) is slow, you must fly a Tornado or F16 for a living.
James
james said: Sorry? A real supercar must do at least 220mph? So that means that, let's see...
The Diablo isn't a real supercar.
The F40 and F50 aren't real supercars....
I think that you may have got your conversion from Km/h to mph wrong, otherwise there would only be 1 "real Supercar", and it would be British
My car is geared for accelleration, as it's set up for the track, and I don't know of many tracks where you need to be able to do 220mph before you need to hit the brakes. None that I race at anyway
That's the beauty of this car. You decide what you want out of it, and you spec it so that it will do exactly that. You get the engine with the power characteristics that you want, and mate it to the gearbox that you want.
To ask "how fast will an Ultima go?" is a false question. You could ask "how fast has one gone?", but then somebody else might come along with a more powerful engine, slightly different aerodynamic setup or different gear ratio, and go a bit faster.
I think that the real answer to your question would be "fast enough". We know that one has done 220mph, and we know that (if somebody particularly wanted to) they could build one that would go faster still. If you think that 220mph (or 200 or 180) is slow, you must fly a Tornado or F16 for a living.
James
Hi!
Sorry if I formulated the question this way. As I mentioned before my english is not the best.
So if I understand this right, 220mph is the fastest an Ultima has went.
Thanks for the answer!
//Kristian
If you think that 220mph (or 200 or 180) is slow, you must fly a Tornado or F16 for a living.
...and 220mph at ground level would be more frightening than Mach 1 at 30,000 feet.
Hmmm, I agree with James on this one.
The top speed of an Ultima just depends on the spec - is a Diablo less of a supercar if it is
*only* an earlier one with 492bhp than a later one with 580bhp?
With short gearing, Schumacher's F1 car won't even hit 200mph - but that is still a supercar beyond all others.
All Ultimas are supercars, even the original one with a Renault V6 in.
This may not have been what you were getting at Kristian, so sorry if I have gone off on a tangent... however, yes, 220mph is the fastest most people believe an Ultima to have gone - although IIRC, Kurt mentioned it could have gone a little faster still.
Since then, I believe Kurt's car has been detuned (driveablity problems at a guess) and so we many never know if an Ultima will go quicker.
>> Edited by domster on Thursday 30th January 13:26
I don't believe in setting these arbitrary thresholds on what makes a supercar. Why 200mph? If you look back at the supercars of the 1980's (Testarossa and Countach for instance), would you say that they weren't supercars? Neither of them did 200mph. As far as I recall, the F40 was the first 200mph car, so does that mean that there weren't any supercars before then? I don't think so.
Being a supercar isn't something that you can quantify in a simple formula like top speed. By your reckoning, the Testarossa isn't a supercar, but the Brabus E Class Estate is, because it'll do 203mph. I would classify the Testarossa as a classic supercar, THE supercar of the 1980's, and the Brabus as a "very fast estate car".
It's just a feeling you get. You look at the car and it just appeals to something deep inside you. It's a car that's built to go fast, without compromise. It's probably a bit cramped, and visibility might not be too good (like the Countach). It may not have any luggage space at all, so you need to travel everywhere with a toothbrush and a credit card. At the end of the day, it looks fast when it's parked up. It's like Concorde. Elegant and stylish. Top speed and accelleration don't enter into it (although they help).
James
Being a supercar isn't something that you can quantify in a simple formula like top speed. By your reckoning, the Testarossa isn't a supercar, but the Brabus E Class Estate is, because it'll do 203mph. I would classify the Testarossa as a classic supercar, THE supercar of the 1980's, and the Brabus as a "very fast estate car".
It's just a feeling you get. You look at the car and it just appeals to something deep inside you. It's a car that's built to go fast, without compromise. It's probably a bit cramped, and visibility might not be too good (like the Countach). It may not have any luggage space at all, so you need to travel everywhere with a toothbrush and a credit card. At the end of the day, it looks fast when it's parked up. It's like Concorde. Elegant and stylish. Top speed and accelleration don't enter into it (although they help
). James
Yep, I'm in agreement with James and Dom.
The definition of a supercar has been mentioned by Enzo Ferrari as a car capable of carrying Italian industrialists across Italy at 'huge' speeds.
This is not to say however that the car has to be Italian by any means. 'Huge' speed I suppose is the top speed of the Muira which is the car he said this about and the vast majority if not all are capable of exceeding this so by definition are supercars.
Using the Rolls ethic I think we can quite happily say all day long that Performance is Adequate.
Matt.
The definition of a supercar has been mentioned by Enzo Ferrari as a car capable of carrying Italian industrialists across Italy at 'huge' speeds.
This is not to say however that the car has to be Italian by any means. 'Huge' speed I suppose is the top speed of the Muira which is the car he said this about and the vast majority if not all are capable of exceeding this so by definition are supercars.
Using the Rolls ethic I think we can quite happily say all day long that Performance is Adequate.
Matt.
I'll race any of the current mainstream supercars....and win.
The Pagani would already be half a second behind at 130mph and tops out at a similar speed to my theretical top speed of 212mph. (Only been as high as 170mph!)
The new Lambo and 911 would be a lot further behind.
An Ultima GTR with 550bhp AS engine was officially timed on the bowl at just over 200mph.
Truth is you can build an Ultima to be your own definition of what a Supercar is, Fast top speed, fast round certain track, fast down the strip. It will only take a bit of matching of engine gearbox etc.. and voila!!!!
Most Ultima owners CHOOSE to use gearing which will 'only' give 180mph.
I'm sure if some people changed the final drive in their box they would exceed 220mph
, but what extra would this give them? and what would it prove?
The Pagani would already be half a second behind at 130mph and tops out at a similar speed to my theretical top speed of 212mph. (Only been as high as 170mph!)
The new Lambo and 911 would be a lot further behind.
An Ultima GTR with 550bhp AS engine was officially timed on the bowl at just over 200mph.
Truth is you can build an Ultima to be your own definition of what a Supercar is, Fast top speed, fast round certain track, fast down the strip. It will only take a bit of matching of engine gearbox etc.. and voila!!!!
Most Ultima owners CHOOSE to use gearing which will 'only' give 180mph.
I'm sure if some people changed the final drive in their box they would exceed 220mph
, but what extra would this give them? and what would it prove?
ultimaandy said: I'll race any of the current mainstream supercars....and win.
The Pagani would already be half a second behind at 130mph and tops out at a similar speed to my theretical top speed of 212mph. (Only been as high as 170mph!)
The new Lambo and 911 would be a lot further behind.
An Ultima GTR with 550bhp AS engine was officially timed on the bowl at just over 200mph.
Truth is you can build an Ultima to be your own definition of what a Supercar is, Fast top speed, fast round certain track, fast down the strip. It will only take a bit of matching of engine gearbox etc.. and voila!!!!
Most Ultima owners CHOOSE to use gearing which will 'only' give 180mph.
I'm sure if some people changed the final drive in their box they would exceed 220mph
Im not intressed in what it would prove...
I'm just curious because we have a competition here in Sweden thats called "the flying kilometer" ( probably in other countries to). The concept of this competition is to have as high average speed as you can over one kilometer (0.625 mile), this is with "flying" start.
Current swedish record is 319km/h (199mph) in average speed.
It would be very nice to beat this!!!
>> Edited by GTRKRICKE on Friday 31st January 07:43
We have something similar in the US but on a greater scale. I dont remember what state it is in but you are allowed to go as fast as you want on a 90 mi/144 km highway. Its hosted twice a year but I cant remember anything about it.
The fastest car averaged 208 mph/ 335 kmh. It wasnt really anything special either. It was an old Chrysler LeBaron modified to top out really high. Shows that anything can be super if given the right treatment.
The fastest car averaged 208 mph/ 335 kmh. It wasnt really anything special either. It was an old Chrysler LeBaron modified to top out really high. Shows that anything can be super if given the right treatment.
If anyone is interested in bringing their Ultima to the US for a little high speed run the place to do it is in Nevada. Go to www.openroadracer.com This will give you all the info that you need about legal, unlimited speed, road races. In Nevada drinking, gambling, and prostitution is available 24/7. Gas is around a $1.55 a US gallon, slightly more than an imperial gallon. A loud, mid-engined, 200 mph, V8 supercar should feel right at home. Have fun.
Phnar.....***The definition of a supercar has been mentioned by Enzo Ferrari as a car capable of carrying Italian industrialists across Italy at 'huge' speeds**** that is one hell of a statement, cause a Ferrari wouldnt make it to the finish, it would have broken down or needed a service way before.....ITALIAN JUNK
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