More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t

[NDA]

nigelpugh7 said:

And they also do flat speaker cables too, for wait for it ,

Yep £37 grand!

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/nordost-odin-2-speake...

I need 4 meters. £70,470 + £3 for contact enhancers.

[911hope]

Vinyl / Turntables are better than uncompressed digital formats. Widely Believed but wrong.

[jesusbuiltmycar]

NDA said:

nigelpugh7 said:

And they also do flat speaker cables too, for wait for it ,

Yep £37 grand!

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/nordost-odin-2-speake...

I need 4 meters. £70,470 + £3 for contact enhancers.

Wow ... just had a search and there is a whole range of conmen offering a cable burn-in service... WTAF???

Its amazing how none of this bullst exists if you visit a Music Shop to buy a cable for an electric guitar...

[Sporky]

jesusbuiltmycar said:

Its amazing how none of this bullst exists if you visit a Music Shop to buy a cable for an electric guitar...

Not to the same extent, but if you want you can spend over £150 on a Vovox.

[Elderly]

nigelpugh7 said:

And they also do flat speaker cables too, for wait for it ,

Yep £37 grand!

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/nordost-odin-2-speake...

I reckon that they are worth no more than 50 pence ...

[robinessex]

Elderly said:

nigelpugh7 said:

And they also do flat speaker cables too, for wait for it ,

Yep £37 grand!

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/nordost-odin-2-speake...

I reckon that they are worth no more than 50 pence ...

Also available for £55,000

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155422994280?var=0&...

[dundarach]

911hope said:

Vinyl / Turntables are better than uncompressed digital formats. Widely Believed but wrong.

But they look better and looking good sold plenty of cars too

[ATG]

dundarach said:

911hope said:

Vinyl / Turntables are better than uncompressed digital formats. Widely Believed but wrong.

But they look better and looking good sold plenty of cars too

And people like rituals.

[911hope]

ATG said:

And people like rituals.

That's a good insight.
Nostalgia is the other great driver.

A large amount of LPs sold these days don't actually get played. It's a collecting/ownership thing.

Much like parts of the car market.

[Spleen]

I must admit the ritual of pouring a cheeky one and putting a record on is a jolly pleasant thing indeed. My particular favourite is an Old Fashioned with Miles Davis' Kind of Blue.

[Miserablegit]

Spleen said:

I must admit the ritual of pouring a cheeky one and putting a record on is a jolly pleasant thing indeed. My particular favourite is an Old Fashioned with Miles Davis' Kind of Blue.

I forgo the Old Fashioned but as soon as I get to the office Kind of Blue goes onto the turntable. In fact I listened to it twice on Tuesday so it’s still sitting there for my return today. Rituals are good things.

[Miserablegit]

I didn’t realise there was another version of my Grado 325x headphones.
Presumably this version is burned in already…

[Sporky]

Cat on keyboard moment?

[Deranged Rover]

911hope said:

Vinyl / Turntables are better than uncompressed digital formats. Widely Believed but wrong.

You clearly need a better turntable.

[donkmeister]

nellystew said:

nigelpugh7 said:

And they also do flat speaker cables too, for wait for it ,

Yep £37 grand!

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/nordost-odin-2-speake...

I love you they charge £37k for the cable and then want to charge an additional £3 for “Contact Enhancer”.

If it’s a gel, then I’m sure the schmuck who’s bought the cable can supply their own when they open the box

I've just looked, and the contact enhancer is DeoxIT Gold - that's normally about £10 a tube so ironically £3 is really good value for that. Obviously paying £37k to unlock that offer is less so.

[donkmeister]

Deranged Rover said:

911hope said:

Vinyl / Turntables are better than uncompressed digital formats. Widely Believed but wrong.

You clearly need a better turntable.

I think this comes back to the question of "what does better mean?". As I've said in other threads, audio engineers can spend man-years and massive cost to tinker with a car audio system to give it the most accurate sound reproduction, then 90% of people jump in and crank up the bass a lot and treble a bit, because that is a sound they find more pleasing. Reverberation chambers were all the rage in Motown recording studios because apparently people preferred music with reverb.

So, if you find vinyl is warmer, and a warmer sound appeals to you, then it doesn't matter which has the more accurate frequency response and wider bandwidth, to your ears vinyl is better.

You will find a hard limit for mechanical turntables though, if accurate reproduction multiple harmonics above human hearing range is your bag though, and even with an optical turntable for playback the masters are still created mechanically (they have to be, surely?). Whereas the upper limit for digital formats is microphone technology.

[nebpor]

911hope said:

Vinyl / Turntables are better than uncompressed digital formats. Widely Believed but wrong.

Why are they wrong? Better is a subjective term

Many people believe vinyl and tape recordings sound better

[rjfp1962]

nebpor said:

911hope said:

Vinyl / Turntables are better than uncompressed digital formats. Widely Believed but wrong.

Why are they wrong? Better is a subjective term
Many people believe vinyl and tape recordings sound better

Then there are those that prefer CD

[Jobbo]

nebpor said:

911hope said:

Vinyl / Turntables are better than uncompressed digital formats. Widely Believed but wrong.

Why are they wrong? Better is a subjective term

Many people believe vinyl and tape recordings sound better

'Better' should be objectively measurable, and CD quality (44.1kHz, 16-bit) gives a greater dynamic range, lower noise floor, proper stereo separation, no surface glitches and is now trivially easy to read and process (to check for errors) in real time. Objectively CD is definitely better by any measurement. And objectively an uncompressed digital file sampled at the same frequency with the same bit depth will be the same as a CD.

Euphonic distortion is of course a real thing, hence so much love for vinyl. As for tape recordings, since it's now impossible to buy a decent cassette transport new it doesn't matter how good they can be, you have to be using 25+yr old kit to get the most out of it. And cassette might have sounded already when recorded well but it was definitely inferior to CD in the 80s and 90s. I don't know anyone who actually had a reel-to-reel to compare that

[OutInTheShed]

Jobbo said:

'Better' should be objectively measurable, and CD quality (44.1kHz, 16-bit) gives a greater dynamic range, lower noise floor, proper stereo separation, no surface glitches and is now trivially easy to read and process (to check for errors) in real time. Objectively CD is definitely better by any measurement. And objectively an uncompressed digital file sampled at the same frequency with the same bit depth will be the same as a CD.

Euphonic distortion is of course a real thing, hence so much love for vinyl. As for tape recordings, since it's now impossible to buy a decent cassette transport new it doesn't matter how good they can be, you have to be using 25+yr old kit to get the most out of it. And cassette might have sounded already when recorded well but it was definitely inferior to CD in the 80s and 90s. I don't know anyone who actually had a reel-to-reel to compare that

A CD player is only as good as the DAC.
As not all CD players sound the same, clearly they're not all perfect.

All audio reproduction is to some extent 'artificial', I think it's a valid argument to say an artist (or production team) can say the sound he is trying to create is what comes out of a high end turntable rather than what comes out of a CD. Just having a lower noise floor does not necessarily add anything to the music.
I prefer CD.
If people prefer the vinyl sound of their choice of music, that's fine by me.
Mostly, I will probably dislike their taste in music whether it's vinyl, CD, MP3 or FM radio.
The content is more important than the nth decimal place of reproduction.

Also there are some excellently produced albums on Vinyl and some poorly produced CDs out there.

What does annoy and amuse me is people wanting music untouched by digital from instrument to speaker, or people being religiously anti-digital and then buying a USB record deck.