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ex-kuro and samsung plasma owner.
my mate is currently rocking the latest LG 55 oled and i have the Sony A1 65.
The only scenario where the Kuro is superior is reproducing dark grey.
Personally i thought the motion processing and build quality on the sony to be better than anything else on sale. The LG is a much cheaper option but the motion processor is not as good.
The Panny has superior calibration options for fussy rooms.
my mate is currently rocking the latest LG 55 oled and i have the Sony A1 65.
The only scenario where the Kuro is superior is reproducing dark grey.
Personally i thought the motion processing and build quality on the sony to be better than anything else on sale. The LG is a much cheaper option but the motion processor is not as good.
The Panny has superior calibration options for fussy rooms.
shaunsmith said:
Evolved said:
I run a VT65, had it calibrated and it still amazes with the quality and black levels. There’s a reason it had the crown for so long after the KURO’s were pulled from market.
If I were to buy today, it’s be the Pany OLED or the LG. I’d probably opt for the Panasonic though.
I too have a VT65 and a Kuro 65 both calibrated still incredible tele’s, especially the Kuro considering it’s 11 years old. Both warm the house up is a bonus....If I were to buy today, it’s be the Pany OLED or the LG. I’d probably opt for the Panasonic though.
Recently made the jump to a Panasonic 77 Oled after deliberating for a few years.
Apart from not having a built in central heating system like the other two
A truly phenomenal tele!
Evolved said:
shaunsmith said:
Evolved said:
I run a VT65, had it calibrated and it still amazes with the quality and black levels. There’s a reason it had the crown for so long after the KURO’s were pulled from market.
If I were to buy today, it’s be the Pany OLED or the LG. I’d probably opt for the Panasonic though.
I too have a VT65 and a Kuro 60 both calibrated still incredible tele’s, especially the Kuro considering it’s 11 years old. Both warm the house up is a bonus....If I were to buy today, it’s be the Pany OLED or the LG. I’d probably opt for the Panasonic though.
Recently made the jump to a Panasonic 77 Oled after deliberating for a few years.
Apart from not having a built in central heating system like the other two
A truly phenomenal tele!
I looked at every 65+ Oled for around 18 months, this was standout but a lottery win was required when it first came out which was way out of my price range, worth the wait though until it was drastically reduced before last Xmas.
The new range of Panasonic Oled’s with Dolby Atmos sound look interesting but no 77 by the looks.
Edited by shaunsmith on Friday 24th May 02:51
Herbs said:
If you watch a lot of films then I wouldn't rule out a 55" OLED - the LG ones are mm thick and have a minimal bezel - mount them with their specialist bracket and they hardly protrude into the room at all so you can get away with a larger screen.
The Samsung we have is very thin (for its age) as in a CM thin. The TV wont be wall mounted, which would make it a viable size/distance. The cabinet it's on houses all the vast amounts of hi-fi, and would look silly without something atop it. I'd say 50", or thereabouts, is the max, without feeling like you're in the lower half of the cinema! gizlaroc said:
There are no really good 46" sets to be honest.
The problem is, if you're going to go LCD you need a VA panel, and they all seem to be IPS these days, with the exception of a couple.
Sony 49XF9005 is probably you're best bet.
I don't want to sound rude, but I never thought the D8000 was any good, so far behind Sony 46" W90 I had at the time, and that was behind the Pioneer 500M I also had and was already 4 years old.
OLED will wipe the floor with what you have now, but too big.
The LCD based units I would buy is as I said the Sony XF9005 or a used B&0 Beovision 11, but that wouldn't suit your current layout because of the design.
The industry is simply not interested in putting the best tech into 'small' screens. By small I mean less than 55".
I'm a massive fan of Sony LCD tech, their colours and motion are superb, I have the 49XE9005 and it is a cracking set, I tried a few LCDs recently as I wanted a smaller set, ideally 43", but in the end none did it for me so went back to the Sony and lived with 49".
I run an LG B7 OLED as well, the Sony is not as good overall, but it does do some things better.
The colours can look more natural (both calibrated) the motion is better, the image is sharper and wows more often, however it is still a backlit tech and therefore darker scenes are not as good and there isn't that 3D depth to an image you get when a display can do true blacks. But to get that into perspective it does black very, very well for an LCD and I never feel I'm missing out compared to the OLED, if you don't live with both you wouldn't really know what is missing.
The XE and XF 9005 are zoned backlit models, so they can turn off the backlight when needed.
There is probably an XG90 now too?
Having said all that, I have been so impressed with the XE9005 that I am actually considering swapping my OLED for a Sony 55XE9305, which does blacks and scenes with dark and light areas, I had one before for a while. Main reason is it would probably suit my room better and I watch Sky News for hours and that bloody yellow ticker tape is not good for screen burn on OLEDs.
I paid £600 for my XE9005 from Hughes outlet on eBay by the way.
IMHO there is no better sub 50" TV you can buy still, the XF is a small change, not read reviews of the 2019 models.
Great reply and sorry to hijack this thread. Just had a quick look and the the Sony 49XF9005 gets some stonking reviews. Cheapest I can see it is £829 though. I need to buy a tv for my daughters bedroom and really didn't want to pay above £500 but would increases the budget if it really does get a much better set. I've also been looking at the Samsung QE49Q6FN (£669). The Samsung is QLED and (if I recall) the salesman in John Lewis said the Samsung interface (speed of operating the tv) is much better than Sony. Not sure if that was salesman BS, but he said the only issue with Sony's are the operating system. He also said LG has the best operating system - again not sure if he was just trying to get me to buy a Samsung?? The problem is, if you're going to go LCD you need a VA panel, and they all seem to be IPS these days, with the exception of a couple.
Sony 49XF9005 is probably you're best bet.
I don't want to sound rude, but I never thought the D8000 was any good, so far behind Sony 46" W90 I had at the time, and that was behind the Pioneer 500M I also had and was already 4 years old.
OLED will wipe the floor with what you have now, but too big.
The LCD based units I would buy is as I said the Sony XF9005 or a used B&0 Beovision 11, but that wouldn't suit your current layout because of the design.
The industry is simply not interested in putting the best tech into 'small' screens. By small I mean less than 55".
I'm a massive fan of Sony LCD tech, their colours and motion are superb, I have the 49XE9005 and it is a cracking set, I tried a few LCDs recently as I wanted a smaller set, ideally 43", but in the end none did it for me so went back to the Sony and lived with 49".
I run an LG B7 OLED as well, the Sony is not as good overall, but it does do some things better.
The colours can look more natural (both calibrated) the motion is better, the image is sharper and wows more often, however it is still a backlit tech and therefore darker scenes are not as good and there isn't that 3D depth to an image you get when a display can do true blacks. But to get that into perspective it does black very, very well for an LCD and I never feel I'm missing out compared to the OLED, if you don't live with both you wouldn't really know what is missing.
The XE and XF 9005 are zoned backlit models, so they can turn off the backlight when needed.
There is probably an XG90 now too?
Having said all that, I have been so impressed with the XE9005 that I am actually considering swapping my OLED for a Sony 55XE9305, which does blacks and scenes with dark and light areas, I had one before for a while. Main reason is it would probably suit my room better and I watch Sky News for hours and that bloody yellow ticker tape is not good for screen burn on OLEDs.
I paid £600 for my XE9005 from Hughes outlet on eBay by the way.
IMHO there is no better sub 50" TV you can buy still, the XF is a small change, not read reviews of the 2019 models.
Whichever tv I buy I think 49" is the size she wants, and also would probably put a Sonos Beam with it, so all together it needs to be easy for a 10yr old (nearly 11) to use.
FWIW we have a Beovision 11-46 downstairs and it is fantastic. I had a look at the new B&O set but couldn't justify the price, and it was an LG screen.
The Sony is very good.
Hate to say it, but better than your Beo 11 to give you some perspective on image quality.
I like the Sony OS as it is Android, therefore you can load lots of apps.
I have Sky on mine and have the TV button on the Sony remote programmed to that rather than the built in tuner, when you disable Youview that speeds the OS up a lot apparently.
My OLED is LG, menu system is nice as you can order it all so it shows at the bottom of the screen, so two presses to get to wherever you want, but apps more limited.
To be honest though I don't see the issue, you press Netflix and then you're up and running, press Amazon Prime or iPlayer and the same. Who spends any time going round the menus?
I run mine in the small sitting room with a small sub instead of a Soundbar, sounds great, better than the Sonos Playbar without the Sonos sub.
You can change the headphone out to sub out btw.
LG LCDs are IPS panels, look really washed out, and I think the Sony is better that the £2k Samsung, colours and motion so much nicer.
This was a stunning TV at £1500, at £830 it is a steal.
But need to be quick, the 2019 49" models are IPS again, or if there is a VA panel it has no local dimming or X1 Extreme processor, which is what makes this so damned good.
Hate to say it, but better than your Beo 11 to give you some perspective on image quality.
I like the Sony OS as it is Android, therefore you can load lots of apps.
I have Sky on mine and have the TV button on the Sony remote programmed to that rather than the built in tuner, when you disable Youview that speeds the OS up a lot apparently.
My OLED is LG, menu system is nice as you can order it all so it shows at the bottom of the screen, so two presses to get to wherever you want, but apps more limited.
To be honest though I don't see the issue, you press Netflix and then you're up and running, press Amazon Prime or iPlayer and the same. Who spends any time going round the menus?
I run mine in the small sitting room with a small sub instead of a Soundbar, sounds great, better than the Sonos Playbar without the Sonos sub.
You can change the headphone out to sub out btw.
LG LCDs are IPS panels, look really washed out, and I think the Sony is better that the £2k Samsung, colours and motion so much nicer.
This was a stunning TV at £1500, at £830 it is a steal.
But need to be quick, the 2019 49" models are IPS again, or if there is a VA panel it has no local dimming or X1 Extreme processor, which is what makes this so damned good.
gizlaroc said:
The Sony is very good.
Hate to say it, but better than your Beo 11 to give you some perspective on image quality.
I like the Sony OS as it is Android, therefore you can load lots of apps.
I have Sky on mine and have the TV button on the Sony remote programmed to that rather than the built in tuner, when you disable Youview that speeds the OS up a lot apparently.
My OLED is LG, menu system is nice as you can order it all so it shows at the bottom of the screen, so two presses to get to wherever you want, but apps more limited.
To be honest though I don't see the issue, you press Netflix and then you're up and running, press Amazon Prime or iPlayer and the same. Who spends any time going round the menus?
I run mine in the small sitting room with a small sub instead of a Soundbar, sounds great, better than the Sonos Playbar without the Sonos sub.
You can change the headphone out to sub out btw.
LG LCDs are IPS panels, look really washed out, and I think the Sony is better that the £2k Samsung, colours and motion so much nicer.
This was a stunning TV at £1500, at £830 it is a steal.
But need to be quick, the 2019 49" models are IPS again, or if there is a VA panel it has no local dimming or X1 Extreme processor, which is what makes this so damned good.
Cheers gizlaroc,Hate to say it, but better than your Beo 11 to give you some perspective on image quality.
I like the Sony OS as it is Android, therefore you can load lots of apps.
I have Sky on mine and have the TV button on the Sony remote programmed to that rather than the built in tuner, when you disable Youview that speeds the OS up a lot apparently.
My OLED is LG, menu system is nice as you can order it all so it shows at the bottom of the screen, so two presses to get to wherever you want, but apps more limited.
To be honest though I don't see the issue, you press Netflix and then you're up and running, press Amazon Prime or iPlayer and the same. Who spends any time going round the menus?
I run mine in the small sitting room with a small sub instead of a Soundbar, sounds great, better than the Sonos Playbar without the Sonos sub.
You can change the headphone out to sub out btw.
LG LCDs are IPS panels, look really washed out, and I think the Sony is better that the £2k Samsung, colours and motion so much nicer.
This was a stunning TV at £1500, at £830 it is a steal.
But need to be quick, the 2019 49" models are IPS again, or if there is a VA panel it has no local dimming or X1 Extreme processor, which is what makes this so damned good.
It sounds a stunning tv! We won't be running Sky or anything through it, it will just simply be used for Youtube, Netflix, and Prime. There is no ariel socket in her bedroom so it will just connect to the wi-fi. Our B&O downstairs has an Apple TV (4th gen) connected to it, but from my limited understanding - if I buy her a TV with all the channels/apps built into the TV then I won't need to attach anything to the back of it? Just trying to keep it simple (and avoid extra cables, plugsockets etc). I guess she will probably want me to rent/buy her the occasional film but I can purchase this through Prime. Because the B&O has the Apple TV I can also purchase/rent films through iTunes, but pretty sure you can get almost anything on Prime nowadays.
It will be fine, it will do pretty much everything the Apple TV does, everything you need it to do anyway.
I was running ATV into my Beovision, but sold the ATV when I got the Sony as it is all built in.
Also, the Sony got a massive update in February, this has made the main menu screen easier to navigate and quicker.
I was running ATV into my Beovision, but sold the ATV when I got the Sony as it is all built in.
Also, the Sony got a massive update in February, this has made the main menu screen easier to navigate and quicker.
If you're looking at the KD-49XF9005, I'd also take a look at the Panasonic TX49FX750b. I was between these two (Panasonic at about £800, Sony at around £1000) back in February and I didn't think the Sony was worth the extra money when comparing the two. At roughly the same cost it might edge the Panasonic out, but worth a look- I've been really impressed by it.
gizlaroc said:
It will be fine, it will do pretty much everything the Apple TV does, everything you need it to do anyway.
I was running ATV into my Beovision, but sold the ATV when I got the Sony as it is all built in.
Also, the Sony got a massive update in February, this has made the main menu screen easier to navigate and quicker.
Brill - thanks. Probably a daft question but, does it matter that the Sony is a discontinued tv now? I've just had a quick look on John Lewis website and see they have a 2019 LG 49" tv for £549 ( 49UM7400PLB ). I'm very out of touch with technology nowadays so just wondered if the new 2019 tv's have any desirable features that 2018 tv's don't have? I was running ATV into my Beovision, but sold the ATV when I got the Sony as it is all built in.
Also, the Sony got a massive update in February, this has made the main menu screen easier to navigate and quicker.
HM-2 said:
If you're looking at the KD-49XF9005, I'd also take a look at the Panasonic TX49FX750b. I was between these two (Panasonic at about £800, Sony at around £1000) back in February and I didn't think the Sony was worth the extra money when comparing the two. At roughly the same cost it might edge the Panasonic out, but worth a look- I've been really impressed by it.
looks like it's £699 (with voucher) at Richer. I'll have a Google of it later to see how reviews vs price difference stack up against the Sony. CheersHM-2 said:
If you're looking at the KD-49XF9005, I'd also take a look at the Panasonic TX49FX750b. I was between these two (Panasonic at about £800, Sony at around £1000) back in February and I didn't think the Sony was worth the extra money when comparing the two. At roughly the same cost it might edge the Panasonic out, but worth a look- I've been really impressed by it.
I think these two, and probably the 55" LG are the ones which will be in the running for us. Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
the 55" LG
Is that the OLED or the QLED? The former I really liked (but also didn't want to step up to 55"), but the latter I couldn't stand. The colour balance seems to emphasise contrast and saturation over accuracy, which means anything other than the intentionally-enticing demonstration videos looks massively oversaturated and cartoony IMO.Hi guys, I’m looking for a TV to set up a little “den” area at the rear of the house mainly for kids TV, some casual watching etc all through on demand (BBC/STV apps and Netflix) most likely.
I’ve been looking around locally and the following have caught my eye:
Panasonic FX700B which Costco are selling for £460:
https://www.richersounds.com/panasonic-tx49fx700b....
Toshiba U7863DBC (can’t find any links online - presumably a bad sign!)
Are there any obvious warning signs with these, particularly the Pany which is the leading contender?
We have a recentish Sony in the bedroom and the picture is great but find the OS terribly slow. Are they still like that? They seem quite good value so if they are improved I could look to pick one up.
I’ve been looking around locally and the following have caught my eye:
Panasonic FX700B which Costco are selling for £460:
https://www.richersounds.com/panasonic-tx49fx700b....
Toshiba U7863DBC (can’t find any links online - presumably a bad sign!)
Are there any obvious warning signs with these, particularly the Pany which is the leading contender?
We have a recentish Sony in the bedroom and the picture is great but find the OS terribly slow. Are they still like that? They seem quite good value so if they are improved I could look to pick one up.
Mr Pointy said:
You'll struggle to find a Sony. Richer Sounds are down to display models.
Yeah I've just found this out. Richer Sounds was showing a new one at one of it's stores but just spoke to them and they no longer have it 
The chap (seemed very knowledgeable) said the next best 49" tv (for the money £699) is the Samsung 49Q6FN. What's the view of this tv from the PistonHeads massive? gizlaroc
HM-2 said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
the 55" LG
Is that the OLED or the QLED? The former I really liked (but also didn't want to step up to 55"), but the latter I couldn't stand. The colour balance seems to emphasise contrast and saturation over accuracy, which means anything other than the intentionally-enticing demonstration videos looks massively oversaturated and cartoony IMO.Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
HM-2 said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
the 55" LG
Is that the OLED or the QLED? The former I really liked (but also didn't want to step up to 55"), but the latter I couldn't stand. The colour balance seems to emphasise contrast and saturation over accuracy, which means anything other than the intentionally-enticing demonstration videos looks massively oversaturated and cartoony IMO.Do the LGs still have the obnoxious adverts in the OS? That was another detractor for me, but I'm not sure it would be a dealbreaker...
I think Saumsung also have forced adverts in their TV OS, or at least they used to.
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