The best current picture on any new TV.
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HM-2 said:
If you're looking at the KD-49XF9005, I'd also take a look at the Panasonic TX49FX750b. I was between these two (Panasonic at about £800, Sony at around £1000) back in February and I didn't think the Sony was worth the extra money when comparing the two. At roughly the same cost it might edge the Panasonic out, but worth a look- I've been really impressed by it.
No offence, but the Panasonic is not in the same league as the Sony. The Panny was a £799 TV, the Sony was £1399, there were not competing models and the tech is vastly different, hence the price difference.
Phooey said:
Brill - thanks. Probably a daft question but, does it matter that the Sony is a discontinued tv now? I've just had a quick look on John Lewis website and see they have a 2019 LG 49" tv for £549 ( 49UM7400PLB ). I'm very out of touch with technology nowadays so just wondered if the new 2019 tv's have any desirable features that 2018 tv's don't have?
I have a lot of time for LG TVs, my main set it an LG OLED, but they are using IPS panels on their LCDs, which just don't cut it. They can't do blacks properly and so everything looks washed out, there is no 3D depth to the image.
gizlaroc said:
I have a lot of time for LG TVs, my main set it an LG OLED, but they are using IPS panels on their LCDs, which just don't cut it.
They can't do blacks properly and so everything looks washed out, there is no 3D depth to the image.
So I decided against the LG. Instead I've ordered a Samsung 49Q6FN from RS for £650 (got a bit more discount than the web price) and also bought the Sonos Beam for £350. The reviews seem ok (for the money) and although the chap at RS admitted it's not as good as the Sony 49XF9005 - the model that replaces the 49XF9005 is £1299. As you said above - not a lot of choice below 55". Once I get it set up I might have a go at changing a few settings as per this link - https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q6fn-q6-... . I've never messed with settings before so hope I can reset it all if I c0ck it up They can't do blacks properly and so everything looks washed out, there is no 3D depth to the image.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q6fn-q6-...
Hilts said:
Are any of these new TVs suitable for watching football. I'm still using my old plasma as the LCD models were terrible when the camera panned.
Sony motion is superb. Their sets with the X1 processor do "clear" and "Clear+" which is black frame insertion and gives you around 900 lines of moving resolution, which is around 1/3 better than the best plasmas. It is silky smooth.
gizlaroc said:
The Panny was a £799 TV, the Sony was £1399, there were not competing models
The Panasonic was £1099 at release, and I did acknowledge the price difference between them in my post. As for whether they're competing models, AFAIK they both are (or were) the top-spec non OLED options from their respective manufacturers. As I said in my post, I personally didn't think the Sony was worth the extra over the Panasonic, but they're now at-or-near the same price (assuming you can actually find the Sony anywhere) so that's not really a consideration anymore. If you're happy with it great.
The thread was asking the best image from a current TV.
Like I said, I don't want to cause offence, but also think I have to point out, the FX750 is an IPS panel, I actually bought one when it came out as I was told it was VA. It was very apparent the moment it was turned on it was IPS, it simply can't do black or ansi contrast properly, which is so important when discussing image quality.
It has black levels that my near 20 year old plasma betters and the OPs TV will also beat, it would be a step backwards for him.
The Sony XE9305 is one of the best LCDs every made regardless of price, the XE9005 came damned close for almost half the price and the XF9005 sort of improved on things for an even keener price point.
The thread was asking the best image from a current TV.
Like I said, I don't want to cause offence, but also think I have to point out, the FX750 is an IPS panel, I actually bought one when it came out as I was told it was VA. It was very apparent the moment it was turned on it was IPS, it simply can't do black or ansi contrast properly, which is so important when discussing image quality.
It has black levels that my near 20 year old plasma betters and the OPs TV will also beat, it would be a step backwards for him.
The Sony XE9305 is one of the best LCDs every made regardless of price, the XE9005 came damned close for almost half the price and the XF9005 sort of improved on things for an even keener price point.
You don't need to worry, I'm not offended. "Picture" is a pretty subjective thing, though. Dependent on the viewing circumstances and personal preference, you might pick an IPS panel over a VA one for better viewing angles or colour production. It was only a suggestion they looked at the Panasonic, bearing in mind that I definitely didn't see a 20% difference in the quality of the picture.
Then again, I've become acclimated to IPS panels in PC use over a number of years, so YMMV...
Then again, I've become acclimated to IPS panels in PC use over a number of years, so YMMV...
Phooey said:
Mr Pointy said:
You'll struggle to find a Sony. Richer Sounds are down to display models.
Yeah I've just found this out. Richer Sounds was showing a new one at one of it's stores but just spoke to them and they no longer have it 
The chap (seemed very knowledgeable) said the next best 49" tv (for the money £699) is the Samsung 49Q6FN. What's the view of this tv from the PistonHeads massive? gizlaroc
Mr Pointy said:
Phooey said:
Mr Pointy said:
You'll struggle to find a Sony. Richer Sounds are down to display models.
Yeah I've just found this out. Richer Sounds was showing a new one at one of it's stores but just spoke to them and they no longer have it The chap (seemed very knowledgeable) said the next best 49" tv (for the money £699) is the Samsung 49Q6FN. What's the view of this tv from the PistonHeads massive? gizlaroc
Phooey said:
Mr Pointy said:
Phooey said:
Mr Pointy said:
You'll struggle to find a Sony. Richer Sounds are down to display models.
Yeah I've just found this out. Richer Sounds was showing a new one at one of it's stores but just spoke to them and they no longer have it The chap (seemed very knowledgeable) said the next best 49" tv (for the money £699) is the Samsung 49Q6FN. What's the view of this tv from the PistonHeads massive? gizlaroc
Just to say if anyone is still looking for a Sony KD-49XF9005 then Richer Sounds have a very few left in their clearance sale today:
https://www.richersounds.com/clearance
Most are open box & it depends greatly on what your local store has left.
https://www.richersounds.com/clearance
Most are open box & it depends greatly on what your local store has left.
I honestly don't think it matters what TV you get these days. All the major suppliers make good TVs and the difference is barely noticeable, given the s
t bitrate that is broadcast on most channels.
I've got a 65in 4k and a couple of 46in 1080p screens and I've never thought the picture from one of mine own sources was anything other than superb.
Everything on Freesat, sky and Freeview however, other than the 4k channels is generally st.
t bitrate that is broadcast on most channels.I've got a 65in 4k and a couple of 46in 1080p screens and I've never thought the picture from one of mine own sources was anything other than superb.
Everything on Freesat, sky and Freeview however, other than the 4k channels is generally s
t.keirik said:
I honestly don't think it matters what TV you get these days. All the major suppliers make good TVs and the difference is barely noticeable, given the st bitrate that is broadcast on most channels.
Sorry, think that is crap. t bitrate that is broadcast on most channels.There is only a handful of TVs that offer a truly decent picture.
A dozen or so LCD based screens and then the OLEDs.
1080p Sky on a decent TV will look 10x better than 4k HDR on an average set.
Yep. There are panels and then there are panels.
4k done well over IP is very good, there are good non disk sources out there if you want them. I would favour IP over aerial or satellite anyway of the week though (some caveats).
BBC are doing Wimbledon UHD HLG and it seems that Virgin are getting in on the act. Article explains more but they have their BBC iPlayer app on that box on the BBC approved list I think. Dynasties was excellent via iPlayer Beta on a Panasonic 4k Blu-ray player.
https://www.t3.com/news/virgin-media-tv-will-broad...
https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-watch-wimbl...
BBC list
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/latest-news/wim...
You can all see how your panels perform.
4k done well over IP is very good, there are good non disk sources out there if you want them. I would favour IP over aerial or satellite anyway of the week though (some caveats).
BBC are doing Wimbledon UHD HLG and it seems that Virgin are getting in on the act. Article explains more but they have their BBC iPlayer app on that box on the BBC approved list I think. Dynasties was excellent via iPlayer Beta on a Panasonic 4k Blu-ray player.
https://www.t3.com/news/virgin-media-tv-will-broad...
https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-watch-wimbl...
BBC list
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/latest-news/wim...
You can all see how your panels perform.
Zirconia said:
Excellent - my £249 Toshiba (Vestel) TV is on that list.gizlaroc said:
If you're happy with it great.
The thread was asking the best image from a current TV.
Like I said, I don't want to cause offence, but also think I have to point out, the FX750 is an IPS panel, I actually bought one when it came out as I was told it was VA. It was very apparent the moment it was turned on it was IPS, it simply can't do black or ansi contrast properly, which is so important when discussing image quality.
It has black levels that my near 20 year old plasma betters and the OPs TV will also beat, it would be a step backwards for him.
The Sony XE9305 is one of the best LCDs every made regardless of price, the XE9005 came damned close for almost half the price and the XF9005 sort of improved on things for an even keener price point.
65XE9305 owner here, and I can only agree with this. We've had the TV 2 years now, and it still enables the jaw to drop displaying 4K content. Operating System is plenty useable as well, has been great since the update in February. The thread was asking the best image from a current TV.
Like I said, I don't want to cause offence, but also think I have to point out, the FX750 is an IPS panel, I actually bought one when it came out as I was told it was VA. It was very apparent the moment it was turned on it was IPS, it simply can't do black or ansi contrast properly, which is so important when discussing image quality.
It has black levels that my near 20 year old plasma betters and the OPs TV will also beat, it would be a step backwards for him.
The Sony XE9305 is one of the best LCDs every made regardless of price, the XE9005 came damned close for almost half the price and the XF9005 sort of improved on things for an even keener price point.
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