Help selecting 4K TV
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Not so sure....take a sample of 100 people like my wife, dad, mother and father in law and I'm sure they'd agree and say "ooh, that looks nice...."
But they'll choose to spend 6-700 on a perfectly great looking telly than one at twice the price (at least) that, to them, does almost exactly the same thing.
My viewing habits are compromised by by environment, kids, time and budget....for what I've spent, I don't think I could be happier.
Obvs...if I could justify spending much more I probably would have.
But they'll choose to spend 6-700 on a perfectly great looking telly than one at twice the price (at least) that, to them, does almost exactly the same thing.
My viewing habits are compromised by by environment, kids, time and budget....for what I've spent, I don't think I could be happier.
Obvs...if I could justify spending much more I probably would have.
dave_s13 said:
take a sample of 100 people like my wife, dad, mother and father in law and I'm sure they'd agree and say "ooh, that looks nice....".
100% agree. But that was not the point I was making.
dave_s13 said:
But they'll choose to spend 6-700 on a perfectly great looking telly than one at twice the price (at least) that, to them, does almost exactly the same thing.
My viewing habits are compromised by by environment, kids, time and budget....for what I've spent, I don't think I could be happier.
Obvs...if I could justify spending much more I probably would have.
Put up an LCD with a VA panel vs an IPS panel and I bet everyone in the room would pick the VA panel. My viewing habits are compromised by by environment, kids, time and budget....for what I've spent, I don't think I could be happier.
Obvs...if I could justify spending much more I probably would have.
It is not really a case of spending more, you can buy a Philips 55" which is pretty amazing for £500.
At the end of the day I don't really care, but as someone who has calibrated hundreds of sets over the years and still gets to see all the latest models and see how they perform I thought I would give my advice. However, on these threads you try and give advice but come across as a bit of a condescending prick. Sorry, I don't mean to.
I normally don't reply to these sort of threads as it seems the OP usually wants to chose a set and for everyone to say "great choice, go for it.".
However, his choice of Q6 is not great, it is worse than Samsungs own VA sets from 10 years ago in all honesty. I have owned one, albeit for 3 days before giving up with it.
The Sony that I linked to at £515 is up there with the best TVs you can buy regardless of price, in fact, if someone has £2000 to spend on a 50" TV that still comes out as my top choice, the 48" OLEDs will probably be great, but obviously brings the issues to the table that OLED bring like pixel wear.
We are in a lucky situation right now that the Sony XF, XG and XH can be had for a small premium over the IPS panels from other suppliers, no longer are they £1600, they are now £800 odd new, and some exdemo ones £500 odd. They are a bargain. So much so I swapped the OLED in my conservatory for another one.
gizlaroc said:
Put up an LCD with a VA panel vs an IPS panel and I bet everyone in the room would pick the VA panel.
It is not really a case of spending more, you can buy a Philips 55" which is pretty amazing for £500.
At the end of the day I don't really care, but as someone who has calibrated hundreds of sets over the years and still gets to see all the latest models and see how they perform I thought I would give my advice. However, on these threads you try and give advice but come across as a bit of a condescending prick. Sorry, I don't mean to.
I normally don't reply to these sort of threads as it seems the OP usually wants to chose a set and for everyone to say "great choice, go for it.".
However, his choice of Q6 is not great, it is worse than Samsungs own VA sets from 10 years ago in all honesty. I have owned one, albeit for 3 days before giving up with it.
The Sony that I linked to at £515 is up there with the best TVs you can buy regardless of price, in fact, if someone has £2000 to spend on a 50" TV that still comes out as my top choice, the 48" OLEDs will probably be great, but obviously brings the issues to the table that OLED bring like pixel wear.
We are in a lucky situation right now that the Sony XF, XG and XH can be had for a small premium over the IPS panels from other suppliers, no longer are they £1600, they are now £800 odd new, and some exdemo ones £500 odd. They are a bargain. So much so I swapped the OLED in my conservatory for another one.
Fair play, I should have asked you first before buying mine by the sounds of it! It is not really a case of spending more, you can buy a Philips 55" which is pretty amazing for £500.
At the end of the day I don't really care, but as someone who has calibrated hundreds of sets over the years and still gets to see all the latest models and see how they perform I thought I would give my advice. However, on these threads you try and give advice but come across as a bit of a condescending prick. Sorry, I don't mean to.
I normally don't reply to these sort of threads as it seems the OP usually wants to chose a set and for everyone to say "great choice, go for it.".
However, his choice of Q6 is not great, it is worse than Samsungs own VA sets from 10 years ago in all honesty. I have owned one, albeit for 3 days before giving up with it.
The Sony that I linked to at £515 is up there with the best TVs you can buy regardless of price, in fact, if someone has £2000 to spend on a 50" TV that still comes out as my top choice, the 48" OLEDs will probably be great, but obviously brings the issues to the table that OLED bring like pixel wear.
We are in a lucky situation right now that the Sony XF, XG and XH can be had for a small premium over the IPS panels from other suppliers, no longer are they £1600, they are now £800 odd new, and some exdemo ones £500 odd. They are a bargain. So much so I swapped the OLED in my conservatory for another one.
Wow, a lot of chat! Thanks
I'm not comfortable buying anything but new, but I am willing to stretch a bit. You've made a clear point about the Q6* range, so I'm avoiding that.
What are you thoughts on the non QLED Samsungs, the TU8500 seems to be high spec for the LED range, but I'm no expert! No local dimming, but has UHD dimming, which means nothing to me! I can't seem to find reviews though.
The Q70 seems to be old, or no stock anywhere.
I am also limited to 50" by the space it's going in, so no chance with a 55"
I'm not comfortable buying anything but new, but I am willing to stretch a bit. You've made a clear point about the Q6* range, so I'm avoiding that.
What are you thoughts on the non QLED Samsungs, the TU8500 seems to be high spec for the LED range, but I'm no expert! No local dimming, but has UHD dimming, which means nothing to me! I can't seem to find reviews though.
The Q70 seems to be old, or no stock anywhere.
I am also limited to 50" by the space it's going in, so no chance with a 55"
There is no local dimming on that Samsung.
Which to be honest, you need.
LCD has a backlight, that needs to be adjusted depending on the scene, on a dark scene or night scene the screen needs to be able to dim that backlight so everything is not grey and washed out.
Without the ability to do that imho it becomes a TV you would have in the office or kitchen to watch some news on and a bit of gaming, but not a TV for sitting down and watching at night.
Having said that, being a VA panel it does black far better than many LCD sets today, it is not a very bright set though.
The issue you have with a set with no local dimming is if you want deep blacks you have to crank the overall brightness of the set down, but then the overall image can look very dull, if you crank the backlight up to get more realistic day time scenes then the blacks get washed out.
Depends how you watch your TV really, if your room is really dark you could crank the backlight down and be able to see it OK, or if you watch in a really bright room crank it up as you won't notice the dark scenes being washed out anyway. If you watch with a few lamps on you may struggle with it.
Why won't you consider the Sonys Hughes have?
I have bought three from them and they have all been like new, with warranty. You can call them and ask them about the condition.
Which to be honest, you need.
LCD has a backlight, that needs to be adjusted depending on the scene, on a dark scene or night scene the screen needs to be able to dim that backlight so everything is not grey and washed out.
Without the ability to do that imho it becomes a TV you would have in the office or kitchen to watch some news on and a bit of gaming, but not a TV for sitting down and watching at night.
Having said that, being a VA panel it does black far better than many LCD sets today, it is not a very bright set though.
The issue you have with a set with no local dimming is if you want deep blacks you have to crank the overall brightness of the set down, but then the overall image can look very dull, if you crank the backlight up to get more realistic day time scenes then the blacks get washed out.
Depends how you watch your TV really, if your room is really dark you could crank the backlight down and be able to see it OK, or if you watch in a really bright room crank it up as you won't notice the dark scenes being washed out anyway. If you watch with a few lamps on you may struggle with it.
Why won't you consider the Sonys Hughes have?
I have bought three from them and they have all been like new, with warranty. You can call them and ask them about the condition.
Is it still the case that when you register the set with Sony you get a 6 or 7 year warranty?
I went from a 42" panny plasma to 49" XF9005 as advised here. Very pleased and in terms of size pretty much exactly the same physical size but all screen.
I went from a 42" panny plasma to 49" XF9005 as advised here. Very pleased and in terms of size pretty much exactly the same physical size but all screen.
Edited by 21TonyK on Monday 22 June 10:10
21TonyK said:
Is it still the case that when you register the set with Sony you get a 6 or 7 year warranty?
I went from a 42" panny plasma to 49" XF9005 as advised here. Very pleased and in terms of size pretty much exactly the same physical size but all screen.
I think that is a promo they do with certain dealers at certain times. I went from a 42" panny plasma to 49" XF9005 as advised here. Very pleased and in terms of size pretty much exactly the same physical size but all screen.
I bought an HX923 or something like that a few years back and the dealer I bought from was not part of the 5 year warranty deal, I was pretty miffed not to get it,. However, my mate is still using that set some 8 years later with no issues.
For me, TVs normally have issues on day one or very quickly anyway or go on forever.
tdm34 said:
I've just picked up a Pioneer KRP500M for £150 and it utterly destroys my Panasonic 58DX902 4k LED set on every level
against a 55B7 LG OLED it's so close but the Pioneer has better motion handling.
Don't say that, I just picked up a 58DX902 on Sunday! In all honesty I was fully aware of any shortcomings it has versus an older Pioneer plasma, but then again those Pioneers are probably the best consumer TVs ever made - however for the price I paid for it I'm not overly concerned as I'd get my money back on it no probs if I don't like it. And I'm sure it'll be head and shoulders above the current Sony 42W6 it's replacing (the Sony cost slightly more new than what I picked the DX902 up for - I've not even seen it yet, had to send the Mrs to collect it as I'm shielding and it's still sitting in the box as we're just about finished decorating the living room)against a 55B7 LG OLED it's so close but the Pioneer has better motion handling.
I'd have loved to get a Pioneer though for the reasons you mentioned, and they're virtually being given away currently, but they're all down south and we live in rural west coast Scotland - it was a 200 mile round trip just to pick up the DX902.
stevoknevo said:
Don't say that, I just picked up a 58DX902 on Sunday! In all honesty I was fully aware of any shortcomings it has versus an older Pioneer plasma, but then again those Pioneers are probably the best consumer TVs ever made - however for the price I paid for it I'm not overly concerned as I'd get my money back on it no probs if I don't like it. And I'm sure it'll be head and shoulders above the current Sony 42W6 it's replacing (the Sony cost slightly more new than what I picked the DX902 up for - I've not even seen it yet, had to send the Mrs to collect it as I'm shielding and it's still sitting in the box as we're just about finished decorating the living room)
I'd have loved to get a Pioneer though for the reasons you mentioned, and they're virtually being given away currently, but they're all down south and we live in rural west coast Scotland - it was a 200 mile round trip just to pick up the DX902.
I wouldn't worry. I'd have loved to get a Pioneer though for the reasons you mentioned, and they're virtually being given away currently, but they're all down south and we live in rural west coast Scotland - it was a 200 mile round trip just to pick up the DX902.
The Kuros were great, but a well set up DX902 is better imho. But, they do need setting up right, where as a Kuro you can pretty much turn on and it is impressive straight away.
With the DX902 you need to make sure you have contrast on 95-100, backlight also needs to set right, as in not too low, and make sure gamma is right down.
Don't be afraid to use the black enhance on them etc. too, it is subtle but makes all the difference.
Personally I would take the DX902, as long as you can sit face on and set it up right it is a cracker and one of the half dozen or so LCDs I could live with.
gizlaroc said:
tdm34 said:
I've just picked up a Pioneer KRP500M for £150 and it utterly destroys my Panasonic 58DX902 4k LED set on every level
against a 55B7 LG OLED it's so close but the Pioneer has better motion handling.
Great sets, I had one for years. against a 55B7 LG OLED it's so close but the Pioneer has better motion handling.
Have you calibrated the DX508?
gizlaroc said:
I wouldn't worry.
The Kuros were great, but a well set up DX902 is better imho. But, they do need setting up right, where as a Kuro you can pretty much turn on and it is impressive straight away.
With the DX902 you need to make sure you have contrast on 95-100, backlight also needs to set right, as in not too low, and make sure gamma is right down.
Don't be afraid to use the black enhance on them etc. too, it is subtle but makes all the difference.
Personally I would take the DX902, as long as you can sit face on and set it up right it is a cracker and one of the half dozen or so LCDs I could live with.
Cheers - I found the FAQs post on AVF for all the recommended settings and I'll go with that and see how it goes, must admit they seemed quite counter intuitive at first glance, so I'm glad I found it.The Kuros were great, but a well set up DX902 is better imho. But, they do need setting up right, where as a Kuro you can pretty much turn on and it is impressive straight away.
With the DX902 you need to make sure you have contrast on 95-100, backlight also needs to set right, as in not too low, and make sure gamma is right down.
Don't be afraid to use the black enhance on them etc. too, it is subtle but makes all the difference.
Personally I would take the DX902, as long as you can sit face on and set it up right it is a cracker and one of the half dozen or so LCDs I could live with.
Yip, sitting straight on - we've changed the layout of the room and painted it, just need to run new cables for the rear speakers, paint the woodwork and put the skirtings back on before I can get it out of the box.
tdm34 said:
gizlaroc said:
tdm34 said:
I've just picked up a Pioneer KRP500M for £150 and it utterly destroys my Panasonic 58DX902 4k LED set on every level
against a 55B7 LG OLED it's so close but the Pioneer has better motion handling.
Great sets, I had one for years. against a 55B7 LG OLED it's so close but the Pioneer has better motion handling.
Have you calibrated the DX508?
(I have a Sony OLED now (think it's the AF8) as our main TV - also a brilliant set but over budget for thread).
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