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Plotloss

67,280 posts

271 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Define better.

Technically, Plasma if available in the size of set that you are looking for is always superior.

TonyRPH

12,977 posts

169 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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I recently upgraded from a 32" LCD to a 42" plasma.

The viewing angle on the plasma is far superior.

The picture is far superior (even discounting the fact that the new set is HD).

There are known backlight issues with some Sony LCD models.

37" and bigger - I wouldn't have anything other than plasma.



Edited by TonyRPH on Tuesday 27th July 10:59

_dobbo_

14,402 posts

249 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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neilsfishing said:
well then, I have had 3 plasma sets 1 pioneer 2 hatachi, now i have LCD, 1 sharp 1 sony the LCD's are much better than the plasma sets, the pioneer had sky sports in the corrner what a pice of c**p now gone, the xbox and PS3 run the hatachi's still in good order

I think the SAMSUNG LE40C580 40" Full HD LCD TV for £549 looks good to me
If you've already decided on the Samsung, then why did you post asking for advice?

If you hadn't decided on the Samsung when you posted, then why are you ignoring all the advice?


neilsfishing

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3,502 posts

199 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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_dobbo_ said:
neilsfishing said:
well then, I have had 3 plasma sets 1 pioneer 2 hatachi, now i have LCD, 1 sharp 1 sony the LCD's are much better than the plasma sets, the pioneer had sky sports in the corrner what a pice of c**p now gone, the xbox and PS3 run the hatachi's still in good order

I think the SAMSUNG LE40C580 40" Full HD LCD TV for £549 looks good to me
If you've already decided on the Samsung, then why did you post asking for advice?

If you hadn't decided on the Samsung when you posted, then why are you ignoring all the advice?
This is not the only sorce of advice and I have been looking myself, also I wanted an unbiased opinion,

_dobbo_

14,402 posts

249 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Which you got - from lots of people with excellent technical knowledge and experience.

Silver993tt

9,064 posts

240 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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TonyRPH said:
Plotloss said:
Jubal said:
Plotloss said:
neilsfishing said:
no revues of samsung
A curious accuracy for a magazine...
Care to elaborate on your point? They get ok reviews elsewhere.
Consistently the worst performing televisions we see.

Mediocre st in nice cases. It's their corporate edict.
How odd to hear that.

Two of my colleagues have Samsung sets, chosen because they were deemed to have the better picture by comparison.

My son also has a 22" Samsung, and it looks pretty good to me.
Yep, best picture for me also when I bought mine (in fact have 2 great sets now).

_dobbo_

14,402 posts

249 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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On this sort of thread you're going to get two types of response:

"I've got XXX and it's brilliant".

"I'm an AV installer/I sell TVs for a living/I work in the industry and you should buy XXX".

Only you can decide who to listen to and where your money goes....

smile

TonyRPH

12,977 posts

169 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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^^^ agree with that.

In my particular case, I was undecided between a Samsung and LG.

The two sets were adjacent to each other, and I felt that picture on the LG was ever so slightly better.

In my experience, samples can vary even between the same make / model - you can get many good ones, a few bad ones, and a few excellent ones.

Ideally go to Comet / Currys / Richer Sounds etc, try and get them all on the same channel, and compare...

This is what I did.

I only read the What HiFi reviews, to find out which sets have problems (e.g. the Sony back light issue).




Edited by TonyRPH on Tuesday 27th July 12:59

TEKNOPUG

18,980 posts

206 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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TonyRPH said:
^^^ agree with that.

In my particular case, I was undecided between a Samsung and LG.

The two sets were adjacent to each other, and I felt that picture on the LG was ever so slightly better.

In my experience, samples can vary even between the same make / model - you can get many good ones, a few bad ones, and a few excellent ones.

Ideally go to Comet / Currys / Richer Sounds etc, try and get them all on the same channel, and compare...

This is what I did.

I only read the What HiFi reviews, to find out which sets have problems (e.g. the Sony back light issue).
The problem is that shops are all lit with ultra bright strip lighting and the TVs are tuned to give the best (brightest, highest contrast) image under those conditions. It's safe to assume that the room that you watch the TV in your house won't be lit anything like this, meaning that shop vewings are pretty worthless IMO.





Edited by TEKNOPUG on Tuesday 27th July 13:48

TonyRPH

12,977 posts

169 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
TonyRPH said:
^^^ agree with that.

In my particular case, I was undecided between a Samsung and LG.

The two sets were adjacent to each other, and I felt that picture on the LG was ever so slightly better.

In my experience, samples can vary even between the same make / model - you can get many good ones, a few bad ones, and a few excellent ones.

Ideally go to Comet / Currys / Richer Sounds etc, try and get them all on the same channel, and compare...

This is what I did.

I only read the What HiFi reviews, to find out which sets have problems (e.g. the Sony back light issue).
The problem is that shops are all lit with ultra bright strip lighting and the TVs are tuned to give the best (brightest, highest contrast) image under those conditions. It's safe to assume that the room that you watch the TV in your house won't be lit anything like this, meaning that shop vewings are pretty worthless IMO.


Edited by TEKNOPUG on Tuesday 27th July 13:48
Up until the mid 90's, I used to repair TV's.

So I know what I'm looking for in terms of picture quality, and I'm not afraid to tweak the shop settings.

Interestingly enough, I did notice that the few sets I looked at were set to factory default.

And the fact that a set can render a good picture under such bright lights, suggests to me that I won't be struggling to see it on a sunny day (my lounge is North facing so quite sunny in summer).

So the bright lights do have some use wink


Edit: fixed quoting.



Edited by TonyRPH on Tuesday 27th July 14:40

Jubal

930 posts

230 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Plotloss said:
Jubal said:
Plotloss said:
neilsfishing said:
no revues of samsung
A curious accuracy for a magazine...
Care to elaborate on your point? They get ok reviews elsewhere.
Consistently the worst performing televisions we see.

Mediocre st in nice cases. It's their corporate edict.
In what way exactly? I appreciate that picture quality is a subjective measure but I'd almost pressed go on a 40" Samsung LE40C650 when I came across this thread and am now reconsidering. I reached the conclusion after auditioning side by side vs. Sony 40EX503U watching the Open. The Panasonic TX-P42G20B is a similar price but after an extended watch at a friends house this weekend I wasn't blown away with the difference. In fairness it's not a big decision but I'd still rather get the best I can for my budget.

Silver993tt

9,064 posts

240 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Jubal said:
Plotloss said:
Jubal said:
Plotloss said:
neilsfishing said:
no revues of samsung
A curious accuracy for a magazine...
Care to elaborate on your point? They get ok reviews elsewhere.
Consistently the worst performing televisions we see.

Mediocre st in nice cases. It's their corporate edict.
In what way exactly? I appreciate that picture quality is a subjective measure but I'd almost pressed go on a 40" Samsung LE40C650 when I came across this thread and am now reconsidering. I reached the conclusion after auditioning side by side vs. Sony 40EX503U watching the Open. The Panasonic TX-P42G20B is a similar price but after an extended watch at a friends house this weekend I wasn't blown away with the difference. In fairness it's not a big decision but I'd still rather get the best I can for my budget.
Get the TV which YOU think has the best picture, not what someone else thinks is the best picture. It's as simple as that.

Jubal

930 posts

230 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Silver993tt said:
Get the TV which YOU think has the best picture, not what someone else thinks is the best picture. It's as simple as that.
That's a given. But before I go view again I just wanted some opinion. People around here seem to like giving it....

Silver993tt

9,064 posts

240 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Jubal said:
Silver993tt said:
Get the TV which YOU think has the best picture, not what someone else thinks is the best picture. It's as simple as that.
That's a given. But before I go view again I just wanted some opinion. People around here seem to like giving it....
... there's normally a reason behind it smile

Plotloss

67,280 posts

271 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Jubal said:
Silver993tt said:
Get the TV which YOU think has the best picture, not what someone else thinks is the best picture. It's as simple as that.
That's a given. But before I go view again I just wanted some opinion. People around here seem to like giving it....
Because its based on years of experience and seeing more televisions in a month than most people see in a lifetime and the altruist in my likes to avoid people pissing their hard earned money away.

Their film isn't bad but their processing electronics, interface electronics and chassis design are properly appalling. Curiously however they've got relatively good colour management but it's a bit like putting a learner in a Ferrari in that respect. Their colour management is over specified because the raw materials to create a good picture simply aren't there.

Given that Silver993TT has a comical axe to grind I'll now leave him to it, I've got nothing to gain whatever you buy, not least because of the fact that we don't sell screens outside of professional monitors above 65" any more.

This advice is worth what you've paid for it but anyone who has spent a significant time trying to make Samsung products work as they should won't have an awful lot of good to say about them.

Jubal

930 posts

230 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Plotloss said:
Because its based on years of experience and seeing more televisions in a month than most people see in a lifetime and the altruist in my likes to avoid people pissing their hard earned money away.

Their film isn't bad but their processing electronics, interface electronics and chassis design are properly appalling. Curiously however they've got relatively good colour management but it's a bit like putting a learner in a Ferrari in that respect. Their colour management is over specified because the raw materials to create a good picture simply aren't there.

Given that Silver993TT has a comical axe to grind I'll now leave him to it, I've got nothing to gain whatever you buy, not least because of the fact that we don't sell screens outside of professional monitors above 65" any more.

This advice is worth what you've paid for it but anyone who has spent a significant time trying to make Samsung products work as they should won't have an awful lot of good to say about them.
Thanks, I think. I don't know what you mean by "their film isn't bad" in this context. I was hoping for the dumbed down layman's version but at the price of the advice I'll take what I can get.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

271 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Their LCD film.

Which is used by various other people, noteably Sony who using their own processing electronics make a much better job of creating a moving image.

goldblum

10,272 posts

168 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Generally excepted wisdom is anything above 36" should be Plasma.

Jubal

930 posts

230 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Thanks.

neilsfishing

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3,502 posts

199 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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goldblum said:
Generally excepted wisdom is anything above 36" should be Plasma.
Why