TVR Car Club Cadwell Trackday 24th May

[CanoeSniffer]

TVRMs said:

Not a popular view, but....

It’s why sessions are so much better when there is such variance in car and driver abilities.
(All IMO)

That's what I thought, which is why I put myself in the intermediates, but it wasn't quite as intermediate as I'd hoped. I was new to the track and missed the first laps after the sighters due to a sticky throttle, once I had it fixed I thought I'd be playing catchup with the rest of my group...

... Nope! Stuck behind everything most of the morning (bar the hilariously fast Zenos)

Sounds like I'm having a moan but I'm not, bar a couple of repeat offenders it was all very mild-mannered for the most part, just frustrating losing your rhythm all the time where the track is too tight for a pass-with-consent so quite rightly you have to sit and wait.

I actually had a better time with traffic during open pit, I think having the likes of Matt out there in his racer woke people up to the existence of their mirrors

It's probably my bad with putting myself in that group, but I didn't expect to have the pace on anyone with 200hp and knackered tyres, for whatever reason I got it more hooked up than those around me. Live and learn!

[anonymous-user]

phazed said:

I wasn’t going to risk my car and possibly my life by squeezing past someone who isn’t moving over on a narrow track. It’s not racing, we are there for fun but it is easy to get frustrated when someone can’t admit to being slower, throttle off and move over.

I agree. Need to get home safe.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 26th May 18:20

[mk1fan]

My 187bhp was fine for me. Don't think I was in anyones way for long.

Had fun chasing down the Tuscans :haha:

[Classic Chim]

mk1fan said:

My 187bhp was fine for me. Don't think I was in anyones way for long.

Had fun chasing down the Tuscans :haha:

Mazda MX5 Supercup cars with 139 bhp and road based tyres do 1:40’s round Cadwell

[TR4man]

mk1fan said:

My 187bhp was fine for me. Don't think I was in anyones way for long.

Had fun chasing down the Tuscans :haha:

Did you have the white S3?

There was a white S3 who overtook me on several occasions (but then so did everyone!) whose driver politely waved each time he went past. I thought such courtesy was very impressive.

[QBee]

TR4man said:

mk1fan said:

My 187bhp was fine for me. Don't think I was in anyones way for long.

Had fun chasing down the Tuscans :haha:

Did you have the white S3?

There was a white S3 who overtook me on several occasions (but then so did everyone!) whose driver politely waved each time he went past. I thought such courtesy was very impressive.

No, he was in the red rat-rod Wedge

[mk1fan]

Red wedge

MX-5 supercups are a bit lighter, better suspension and brakes.

[TR4man]

QBee said:

TR4man said:

mk1fan said:

My 187bhp was fine for me. Don't think I was in anyones way for long.

Had fun chasing down the Tuscans :haha:

Did you have the white S3?

There was a white S3 who overtook me on several occasions (but then so did everyone!) whose driver politely waved each time he went past. I thought such courtesy was very impressive.

No, he was in the red rat-rod Wedge

Ah we stayed at the same hotel the night before

[mk1fan]

I thought the Fezza driver would appriciate the company.

[cirks]

mk1fan said:

I thought the Fezza driver would appriciate the company.

And it was nice not being the only wedge there too Sorry I didn't pop over and say hello

[Classic Chim]

cirks said:

And it was nice not being the only wedge there too Sorry I didn't pop over and say hello

The Wedge on your profile cirks
Was that the car you drove on Friday.
That’s a hell of a nice looking car. Respect m

[Classic Chim]

mk1fan said:

Red wedge

MX-5 supercups are a bit lighter, better suspension and brakes.

True but dog slow in a straight line, just shows you what racing corner speeds are about. The boys ring the necks of the poor things.

Qbee ( Anthony) I normally change £300 a day to get you into corners quicker but as usual I still owe you one so I’ll give you a free lesson, and demonstration,,,, in your car though just incase


Jest

Edited by Classic Chim on Sunday 26th May 21:54

[Matthew Poxon]

What a fantastic day, great to catch up with everyone. Many thanks to Peter and Anthony for the passenger rides. Hopefully mine will be back for the Cadwell day next year.

Great to see people enjoying their TVRs and driving them as intended.

[mattus]

QBee said:

It's a well worn phrase, but "slow in, fast out" is what I need to achieve and frequently fail to do.

I am relatively quick on track days, as Phazed mentioned above, yet I still cannot manage to master that maxim to my satisfaction.

All too often I am arriving into corners too fast, and am then hanging onto the car around the corner in order keep on the track on the way out, which compromises my exit speed.
If I braked harder and possibly slightly earlier, I could get into the corner in better control and then power out from the apex.
The car would be in no danger of leaving the track and i would be 10-20 mph faster out of the corner and onto the next straight.
.

Hi Anthony
I folllowed you for a couple of laps ; maybe you can study your lines ...and no tuition fees payabe !
Also features a grey Elise later on .
A bit of a shaky camera on the straights , but does the job ...

https://youtu.be/L8kisgqQteY

Was a very good day helped by the great weather. Thx to TVRCC and all the drivers for making it a fun day.

have fun
Matt

[ginkent]

I saw so many long lens cameras track side.. but nothing has surfaced yet. Alan Waddington last year had some fantastic photos, but not sure if he was there this year ?

[phazed]

That was a nice bit of entertainment over breakfast.

Nice to see that the Chimaera had slightly longer legs.

You can see your pedigree in racing Matt, very smooth and good driving! Others take note.

[markgsmith]

Great day and great to meet so many people.

Regarding the traffic issues, compared to other track days I've done, I don't think they stress the courtesy point enough in the briefing - and no mention of blue flags (unless I wasn't listening). Perfectly reasonable that you're out on track and there's a large difference in speed and capability (cars I mean) but if someone is behind you for a lap or more, you really should move over and given them the chance to pass rather than make up for slow corners by flooring it on the straights. I can't count the number of times I was stuck behind a car from Park all the way to Barn only for the car to then floor it as hard as they could and leave little space to get in position for Coppice. I appreciate if you're slow in the corners that's where you might have more fun but you can exit fast, allow and overtake and then still enter the next corner at your own speed for maximum fun. Despite the comments here about the VX220, I had no issues - he was clearly (a lot) faster than me and I just let him pass at the next opportunity. Sometimes it just requires a bit of patience with the best time on track for me being the last couple of hours when there was less traffic. Sometimes you just have to accept that you'll have to wait to get the most out of the day.

One of the reasons I chose to bring my car to the track for the first time with the club was that I didn't want to be on track with other drivers that take it too seriously and to maximise the most enjoyment out of their time on track with less risk of a mistake. Great event and really appreciate the efforts to organise it.

Really feel for the guy with the Tamora that burnt out. Hope the insurance is reasonable about the situation and he manages to replace it.

[Classic Chim]

mattus said:

Hi Anthony
I folllowed you for a couple of laps ; maybe you can study your lines ...and no tuition fees payabe !
Also features a grey Elise later on .
A bit of a shaky camera on the straights , but does the job ...

https://youtu.be/L8kisgqQteY

Was a very good day helped by the great weather. Thx to TVRCC and all the drivers for making it a fun day.

have fun
Matt

Quality driving, I see you’ve raced and it shows.
Slightly early off the gas, it’s a very subtle difference which makes all the difference, set it up and hit your marker cones and carry speed. Very impressive.

That Chim flies, also very impressive

[mk1fan]

Classic Chim said:

True but dog slow in a straight line, just shows you what racing corner speeds are about. The boys ring the necks of the poor things.

Helped by the better suspension, lighter weight and better brakes

[Classic Chim]

mk1fan said:

Helped by the better suspension, lighter weight and better brakes

True
The brakes are not better,, much! The suspension are Gaz with extremely stiff springs, they weigh 1015 kgs before fuel but do have a proper roll cage so you can be a lot braver. Saying that corners get ripped off most weekends.
Lap record which is during racing is 1:40. something around Cadwell which is extremely fast considering the 139bhp Max and none existent torque curve.

I’ve been round Snett in one and it felt very slow, I was soon crossed up so they are not easy to drive fast, just shows what racing drivers are capable of really.

This is where the difference is, we can’t take risks in the same way as 95% of us have to drive home rather than drag it on a trailer and just start rebuilding it on Monday morning.
Money mostly is the real reason why some are faster than others, they can just buy a new body and carry on where others can’t afford a new set of tyres more than once a year and absolutely can’t afford to crash, then you have the gifted drivers who win on old tyres,,, they are just special and know how to turn anything.