Our War: Afghanistan 10 years on

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Mr_B

10,480 posts

244 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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The air drop that missed was interesting. I guess they had to simply go out there and then to secure several tons of gear just sitting there ? No more was said other than it landed 2km away.
They said they were surrounded and badly short of supplies, which would suggest just leaving the base to go and collect it wasn't an option. So did they just leave it ?

Taffer

2,132 posts

198 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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Mr_B said:
The air drop that missed was interesting. I guess they had to simply go out there and then to secure several tons of gear just sitting there ? No more was said other than it landed 2km away.
They said they were surrounded and badly short of supplies, which would suggest just leaving the base to go and collect it wasn't an option. So did they just leave it ?
I still have to watch this series, but did the errant air drop involve a Guards regiment about a year or two ago? I had the pleasure of speaking to a young Guardsman involved; the lads went out and collected what they could carry, going out again and again coming back fully loaded. A quad was also airdropped, which was loaded with virtually no fuel in the tank - they found this out when it died coming back from the drop site.eek Somebody on the logistics side FUBAR'd massively on that one.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

244 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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Taffer said:
I still have to watch this series, but did the errant air drop involve a Guards regiment about a year or two ago? I had the pleasure of speaking to a young Guardsman involved; the lads went out and collected what they could carry, going out again and again coming back fully loaded. A quad was also airdropped, which was loaded with virtually no fuel in the tank - they found this out when it died coming back from the drop site.eek Somebody on the logistics side FUBAR'd massively on that one.
No, this was dated July 12th 2006 and was a night drop from a C130.

croyde

22,985 posts

231 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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The Taleban were ousted from power years ago that's why they are royally pi55ed off.

dave_s13

13,814 posts

270 months

Saturday 18th June 2011
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youngsyr said:
Al Qaeda blow up various Western buildings over the years, culminating in 9/11, which really p*sses the Americans off.

Ruling regime in Afghanistan (Taliban) is anti-Western and harbours Al Qaeda leaders and training camps.

West invades Afghanistan to get rid of Taliban and Al Qaeda's hiding places.

Turns out it's not that easy to replace ruling party and eradicate Taliban in Afghanistan, so troops are still there 10 years later.
Hasn't there been conflict in this region for centuries though? It's not just the twin towers event that kicked it all off again is it. I don't know anything about it really but i'm sure it's not that simple.

Eric Mc

122,085 posts

266 months

Saturday 18th June 2011
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dave_s13 said:
youngsyr said:
Al Qaeda blow up various Western buildings over the years, culminating in 9/11, which really p*sses the Americans off.

Ruling regime in Afghanistan (Taliban) is anti-Western and harbours Al Qaeda leaders and training camps.

West invades Afghanistan to get rid of Taliban and Al Qaeda's hiding places.

Turns out it's not that easy to replace ruling party and eradicate Taliban in Afghanistan, so troops are still there 10 years later.
Hasn't there been conflict in this region for centuries though? It's not just the twin towers event that kicked it all off again is it. I don't know anything about it really but i'm sure it's not that simple.
No, it's not that simple.

Afgahnistan is essentially a tribal country with the central government in Kabul having little influence in many rural areas. It has been this way for centuries and the presence of colonial powers such as Britain in the 19th Century or the Soviets in the 80s or the combined Allied powers of today have made little difference to the situation.

No doubt, when the current "occupation" is ended, matters will revert to normal inter-tribal conflict until yet another external power (India?, Pakistan?, China?) has a go at some future date.

davislove

2,295 posts

247 months

Saturday 18th June 2011
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did anyone see the figures for IED's planted across the country on the last episode - nearly 70,000 - extraordinary

JonnyFive

29,401 posts

190 months

Tuesday 21st June 2011
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davislove said:
did anyone see the figures for IED's planted across the country on the last episode - nearly 70,000 - extraordinary
It was 6,950 blown up.. Or did I miss the 70,000 bit?

Very, very good program. I'm annoyed its the last episode, we should see more of whats going on over there. The troops do an amazing job and we never get to see it.

Asterix

24,438 posts

229 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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With all the money spent so far, they should have simply built a wall around Afghanistan and let them get on with it.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

193 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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dave_s13 said:
youngsyr said:
dave_s13 said:
why are our tropps there? Potted history anyone.

I'll put my hand up and say I havn't a fackin clue.

Brilliant program btw....god bless iPlayer.
Al Qaeda blow up various Western buildings over the years, culminating in 9/11, which really p*sses the Americans off.

Ruling regime in Afghanistan (Taliban) is anti-Western and harbours Al Qaeda leaders and training camps.

West invades Afghanistan to get rid of Taliban and Al Qaeda's hiding places.

Turns out it's not that easy to replace ruling party and eradicate Taliban in Afghanistan, so troops are still there 10 years later.
Hasn't there been conflict in this region for centuries though? It's not just the twin towers event that kicked it all off again is it. I don't know anything about it really but i'm sure it's not that simple.
There has been conflict there for centuries yes, but in modern times the UK couldn't have cared less, until it invaded along with the US on 7 October 2001. For me, the proximity of that date to 9/11 isn't a coincidence, regardless of what you think about the stated aims of the invading forces.

Wiki said:
The War in Afghanistan began on October 7, 2001, as the armed forces of the United States and the United Kingdom, and the Afghan United Front (Northern Alliance), launched Operation Enduring Freedom in response to the September 11 attacks on the United States, with the stated goal of dismantling the Al-Qaeda terrorist organization and ending its use of Afghanistan as a base. The United States also said that it would remove the Taliban regime from power and create a viable democratic state.

andyjo1982

4,960 posts

211 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Looks like the last of the series, and it has been a fascinating series. Some brilliant footage and really quite emotional. Maximum respect to our troops...

Petrolhead_Rich

4,659 posts

193 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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andyjo1982 said:
Looks like the last of the series, and it has been a fascinating series. Some brilliant footage and really quite emotional. Maximum respect to our troops...
+1, epic series, really shows it for what it was.

Massive respect for these chaps, they do a fantastic job.