Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...
Discussion
Halb said:
The films that pass the test of time, reward repeat viewings, require repeat viewings, allow people to suspend disbelief willingly, generate love/interest for sequels and indeed franchises, become classics in their genre or even iconic, generally don't have large plot holes, maybe some quibbles, but not anything a line of dialogue could resolve. Many an effects 'heavy' film from yesteryear were constructed with plot/character first, and the other stuff bolted on later; great examples being Jaws, Star Wars, the Thing and ALien. There's a reason these films from decades ago spawn endless remakes now. Films from today have is ass backwards, they start with cgi and try and muddle through a story written by consensus, committee, demographics and polls. Star Wars prequels and Prometheus being fine examples of the latter.
The RLM review for Guardians 2 touches on this perfectly. It's good because it's not your typical commitee led demographic study, hollywood crap, it was written and directed by one man with a vision for what he wanted to make. It's different to the normal stuff that usually roles off the hollywood production line but it works.
In contrast, Alien Covenant looks a bit too much like a safe, by the numbers film to me.
Guvernator said:
Halb said:
The films that pass the test of time, reward repeat viewings, require repeat viewings, allow people to suspend disbelief willingly, generate love/interest for sequels and indeed franchises, become classics in their genre or even iconic, generally don't have large plot holes, maybe some quibbles, but not anything a line of dialogue could resolve. Many an effects 'heavy' film from yesteryear were constructed with plot/character first, and the other stuff bolted on later; great examples being Jaws, Star Wars, the Thing and ALien. There's a reason these films from decades ago spawn endless remakes now. Films from today have is ass backwards, they start with cgi and try and muddle through a story written by consensus, committee, demographics and polls. Star Wars prequels and Prometheus being fine examples of the latter.
The RLM review for Guardians 2 touches on this perfectly. It's good because it's not your typical commitee led demographic study, hollywood crap, it was written and directed by one man with a vision for what he wanted to make. It's different to the normal stuff that usually roles off the hollywood production line but it works.
And, La La Land which I think worked brilliantly. All the total vision of two guys (director and composer) who have said they made 99% of the film they oringially envisaged with almost zero compromises.
Going to see this next Thursday. I haven't read this whole thread but am I the only person on ph who actually likes Prometheus?
Granted, I wasn't too impressed when I first watched it but after a rewatch or two Ienjoyed it much more. I'm going to watch it again (and Alien) before I see Covenant.
Granted, I wasn't too impressed when I first watched it but after a rewatch or two Ienjoyed it much more. I'm going to watch it again (and Alien) before I see Covenant.
Odeon has a special screening of Prometheus followed by alien the other week. This also included a ticket to covenant last night.
I thought Prometheus was better second time around.
However you can tell the intended story for covenant has been changed based on feedback from the first film.
I thought Prometheus was better second time around.
However you can tell the intended story for covenant has been changed based on feedback from the first film.
Just back from seeing covernant. Pretty poor and the plot twist was so obvious. Still waiting for a good alien film since number 2. Just like terminator 2 was the last good terminator film. Was it better than prometheus... Marginaly but i was really looking forward to a scary film and not once did i jump or was worried/nor cared that anyone made it out alive.
Watched it today - felt it was the movie Prometheus should have been from the perspective of answering the 'where do we come from question'.
I'm one of the few who enjoyed Prometheus as I had no expectations from it.
Went into this one with the same mindset and enjoyed it, but not as much as Prometheus.
I had to step out for a few minutes to use the loo, so could be wrong, but if you have seen the trailers, there are scenes that aren't in the movie.
Nothing unusual in that, but I get the impression they were filmed specifically to create the trailer and, hence, to give a certain impression of the film.
For example, none of the footage in this trailer is in the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA
I'm one of the few who enjoyed Prometheus as I had no expectations from it.
Went into this one with the same mindset and enjoyed it, but not as much as Prometheus.
I had to step out for a few minutes to use the loo, so could be wrong, but if you have seen the trailers, there are scenes that aren't in the movie.
Nothing unusual in that, but I get the impression they were filmed specifically to create the trailer and, hence, to give a certain impression of the film.
For example, none of the footage in this trailer is in the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA
SpeedBash said:
Watched it today - felt it was the movie Prometheus should have been from the perspective of answering the 'where do we come from question'.
I'm one of the few who enjoyed Prometheus as I had no expectations from it.
Went into this one with the same mindset and enjoyed it, but not as much as Prometheus.
I had to step out for a few minutes to use the loo, so could be wrong, but if you have seen the trailers, there are scenes that aren't in the movie.
Nothing unusual in that, but I get the impression they were filmed specifically to create the trailer and, hence, to give a certain impression of the film.
For example, none of the footage in this trailer is in the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA
wow hadn't seen that. glad i didnt as it would have raised expectations of an even better movie and a bigger fall for me...I'm one of the few who enjoyed Prometheus as I had no expectations from it.
Went into this one with the same mindset and enjoyed it, but not as much as Prometheus.
I had to step out for a few minutes to use the loo, so could be wrong, but if you have seen the trailers, there are scenes that aren't in the movie.
Nothing unusual in that, but I get the impression they were filmed specifically to create the trailer and, hence, to give a certain impression of the film.
For example, none of the footage in this trailer is in the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA
slipstream 1985 said:
SpeedBash said:
Watched it today - felt it was the movie Prometheus should have been from the perspective of answering the 'where do we come from question'.
I'm one of the few who enjoyed Prometheus as I had no expectations from it.
Went into this one with the same mindset and enjoyed it, but not as much as Prometheus.
I had to step out for a few minutes to use the loo, so could be wrong, but if you have seen the trailers, there are scenes that aren't in the movie.
Nothing unusual in that, but I get the impression they were filmed specifically to create the trailer and, hence, to give a certain impression of the film.
For example, none of the footage in this trailer is in the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA
wow hadn't seen that. glad i didnt as it would have raised expectations of an even better movie and a bigger fall for me...I'm one of the few who enjoyed Prometheus as I had no expectations from it.
Went into this one with the same mindset and enjoyed it, but not as much as Prometheus.
I had to step out for a few minutes to use the loo, so could be wrong, but if you have seen the trailers, there are scenes that aren't in the movie.
Nothing unusual in that, but I get the impression they were filmed specifically to create the trailer and, hence, to give a certain impression of the film.
For example, none of the footage in this trailer is in the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA
Lefty said:
Going to see this next Thursday. I haven't read this whole thread but am I the only person on ph who actually likes Prometheus?
I enjoyed it too and often get drawn into watching it again when it's on telly late on. My sons find it a bit 'meh'.......but I wasn't that bothered about GOTG2 and sent them to watch F&F8 on their own
Shakkun a son goot Rodders and all that .....
Saw it lastnight at the Odeon superticket preview. Then today I heard the film review guy on 6 music, and agreed with everything he said. It's better than Prometheus, it has actual aliens in it this time, it's not up there with the first two films. As a sci film / horror film, it does the job, as an Alien film, it could have been better.
People do silly things, like go off on their own, poke things and breathe in the stuff from them etc. Yes I'm going to mention that thing again, this film wasn't as bad for that stuff as petting alien snakes and running away downhill.
The ending. Now as they were only a few months apart, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that the Life people and the Alien people weren't aware of the ending to each others films, but the ending to Life had the switcheroo bad ending, and so did this, and you could see both things happening from miles away. There are probably many other examples of the switch ending, but Life (which is basically Alien on the ISS anyway) stuck out for me watching this as it's the most recent and a similar film. It would have been more of a surprise if it wasn't a switch, I don't know whether they think they're being clever, but someone tell them to stop it.
People do silly things, like go off on their own, poke things and breathe in the stuff from them etc. Yes I'm going to mention that thing again, this film wasn't as bad for that stuff as petting alien snakes and running away downhill.
The ending. Now as they were only a few months apart, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that the Life people and the Alien people weren't aware of the ending to each others films, but the ending to Life had the switcheroo bad ending, and so did this, and you could see both things happening from miles away. There are probably many other examples of the switch ending, but Life (which is basically Alien on the ISS anyway) stuck out for me watching this as it's the most recent and a similar film. It would have been more of a surprise if it wasn't a switch, I don't know whether they think they're being clever, but someone tell them to stop it.
ajprice said:
Saw it lastnight at the Odeon superticket preview. Then today I heard the film review guy on 6 music, and agreed with everything he said. It's better than Prometheus, it has actual aliens in it this time, it's not up there with the first two films. As a sci film / horror film, it does the job, as an Alien film, it could have been better.
People do silly things, like go off on their own, poke things and breathe in the stuff from them etc. Yes I'm going to mention that thing again, this film wasn't as bad for that stuff as petting alien snakes and running away downhill.
The ending. Now as they were only a few months apart, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that the Life people and the Alien people weren't aware of the ending to each others films, but the ending to Life had the switcheroo bad ending, and so did this, and you could see both things happening from miles away. There are probably many other examples of the switch ending, but Life (which is basically Alien on the ISS anyway) stuck out for me watching this as it's the most recent and a similar film. It would have been more of a surprise if it wasn't a switch, I don't know whether they think they're being clever, but someone tell them to stop it.
They deliberately telegraphed the switch. When David attacks Walther the first time, you see Walther regenerate the flesh around the wound, immediately afterwards David is surprised at this and Walther tells David of his "upgrades", meaning the regeneration is a new technology, something that Walther can do and David can't. The film then goes to on to make it perfectly clear that the "Walther" that leaves the planet cannot regenerate. So, in short, there are several scenes dedicated to making the switch obvious.People do silly things, like go off on their own, poke things and breathe in the stuff from them etc. Yes I'm going to mention that thing again, this film wasn't as bad for that stuff as petting alien snakes and running away downhill.
The ending. Now as they were only a few months apart, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that the Life people and the Alien people weren't aware of the ending to each others films, but the ending to Life had the switcheroo bad ending, and so did this, and you could see both things happening from miles away. There are probably many other examples of the switch ending, but Life (which is basically Alien on the ISS anyway) stuck out for me watching this as it's the most recent and a similar film. It would have been more of a surprise if it wasn't a switch, I don't know whether they think they're being clever, but someone tell them to stop it.
Why they decided to make it so obvious is beyond me though and why Daniels doesn't realise that the android in front of her suddenly can't regenerate when she's stapling the wounds on his face is a plot hole that the director will have to explain.
Edited by youngsyr on Saturday 13th May 00:41
Alien Covenant:
Great visuals, but a frustrating plot that offered no surprises whatsoever, i was marginally entertained at best, although i do think my expectations may have been a bit high.
The final fight scene lacked punch and suspense for me too, nothing memorable like the set pieces in Aliens,
I wondered if the very first scene was actually cut from Prometheus, would explain why they had Guy Pierce playing an old man in Prometheus.
Great visuals, but a frustrating plot that offered no surprises whatsoever, i was marginally entertained at best, although i do think my expectations may have been a bit high.
The final fight scene lacked punch and suspense for me too, nothing memorable like the set pieces in Aliens,
I wondered if the very first scene was actually cut from Prometheus, would explain why they had Guy Pierce playing an old man in Prometheus.
Edited by Guffy on Saturday 13th May 07:34
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