Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...
Discussion
Guffy said:
I wondered if the very first scene was actually cut from Prometheus, would explain why they had Guy Pierce playing an old man in Prometheus.
Might be trying to tie in to this viral video that was released as part of the marketing material for Prometheus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBa_GHtNB0
Saw it last night. I'd give it a 7/10.
I dumbfounded by those who say they were'nt scared during it, seriously, you expected the Alien to frighten you again??? That ship sailed after the Aliens film back in the 1980's.
What your left with is, is Ridley making a decent film with an engaging plot?
I'd argue he is. It's far from perfect but as a serious science fiction film it's more than adequate.
Yes there are plot holes (the engineers seem to get smaller with each passing film) but I've yet to see a sci-fi film without one. It's the nature of the subject matter.
I dumbfounded by those who say they were'nt scared during it, seriously, you expected the Alien to frighten you again??? That ship sailed after the Aliens film back in the 1980's.
What your left with is, is Ridley making a decent film with an engaging plot?
I'd argue he is. It's far from perfect but as a serious science fiction film it's more than adequate.
Yes there are plot holes (the engineers seem to get smaller with each passing film) but I've yet to see a sci-fi film without one. It's the nature of the subject matter.
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I saw it last night, I enjoyed it but it is in no way an Alien film. It's Prometheus 2 - in fact it started as P2 and was renamed during production, probably because the bad reception to P1 would have put a lot of people off going to see this one.
It doesn't have the tone or feel of an Aliens film, it's so far apart from the first 4 films in feel that it's silly to call it an Alien film. It is a visually brilliant film though and an enjoyable standalone sci fi film; I've now fully separated the first 4 Alien films from the Prometheus franchise in my head, in much the same way I consider the AVP films to be non-canonical.
When you think of the vicious, insect-like creatures of the Alien films and the mystery of the ship, the navigator etc, to explain that away as the doings of a disgruntled robot and a race of giant (but smaller with each film) white humanoids kills it. The whole black goo thing is stupid too.
I know Scott plans to do another 2 films that will take us up to Alien 1, but he still seems to be a long way from explaining all the lofty philosophy stuff like the origin of man - he couldn't even be arsed to deal with the engineers so just engineered them right out of Covenant with that genocide event. Scott wanted to explain the origin of the xenomorphs (which I think he blundered) but in not explaining the origin of the black goo or the engineers he has managed another film without actually getting us closer to the truth. The xenos were more exciting when they seemed to be a timelessly ancient species of destructive, predatory creatures beyond our understanding.
As I say, I enjoyed it as a film in it's own right, despite the damage it does to my favourite childhood film franchise. I did think the end sequence where David is in the embryo storage area with Wagner's "Entry of the Gods into Valhalla" was incredible, the sound in the cinema was absolutely massive, I felt practically crushed into my seat by the music, a brilliantly inspired and very appropriate piece to close the film out. That was the highlight of the whole thing for me.
It doesn't have the tone or feel of an Aliens film, it's so far apart from the first 4 films in feel that it's silly to call it an Alien film. It is a visually brilliant film though and an enjoyable standalone sci fi film; I've now fully separated the first 4 Alien films from the Prometheus franchise in my head, in much the same way I consider the AVP films to be non-canonical.
When you think of the vicious, insect-like creatures of the Alien films and the mystery of the ship, the navigator etc, to explain that away as the doings of a disgruntled robot and a race of giant (but smaller with each film) white humanoids kills it. The whole black goo thing is stupid too.
I know Scott plans to do another 2 films that will take us up to Alien 1, but he still seems to be a long way from explaining all the lofty philosophy stuff like the origin of man - he couldn't even be arsed to deal with the engineers so just engineered them right out of Covenant with that genocide event. Scott wanted to explain the origin of the xenomorphs (which I think he blundered) but in not explaining the origin of the black goo or the engineers he has managed another film without actually getting us closer to the truth. The xenos were more exciting when they seemed to be a timelessly ancient species of destructive, predatory creatures beyond our understanding.
As I say, I enjoyed it as a film in it's own right, despite the damage it does to my favourite childhood film franchise. I did think the end sequence where David is in the embryo storage area with Wagner's "Entry of the Gods into Valhalla" was incredible, the sound in the cinema was absolutely massive, I felt practically crushed into my seat by the music, a brilliantly inspired and very appropriate piece to close the film out. That was the highlight of the whole thing for me.
How many times do i have to say it. MAKE THE STORY OF HADLEYS HOPE!But really dark and brutal. Like families getting torn apart by aliens. the desperate struggle to barricade the complex in. children getting dragged away from parents and acid burned etc. It could be amazingly dark and horror filled.
slipstream 1985 said:
How many times do i have to say it. MAKE THE STORY OF HADLEYS HOPE!But really dark and brutal. Like families getting torn apart by aliens. the desperate struggle to barricade the complex in. children getting dragged away from parents and acid burned etc. It could be amazingly dark and horror filled.
Where's the redemption? Everyone in the entire colony is brutally murdered except one small child, who is orphaned and God knows how distressed.Not sure many people would sign up for two hours of unrelenting horror.
slipstream 1985 said:
How many times do i have to say it. MAKE THE STORY OF HADLEYS HOPE!But really dark and brutal. Like families getting torn apart by aliens. the desperate struggle to barricade the complex in. children getting dragged away from parents and acid burned etc. It could be amazingly dark and horror filled.
Whilst it could be good to see, there wouldn't be that much to it would there be? How long did the whole attack happen in - both the working colony and the totally empty colony/colonial marines bit happen in Aliens so I would imagine it didn't take more than a few days once it all kicked off? And we're most of the workers simply picked up and cocooned in the cooling tower thing? How many of them were actually 'torn apart'?
Just come back from seeing it - hmm - a bit meh if i'm honest
SFX were pretty good, although something about the xenomorph just seemed off, especially around the mouth.
No real 'scares' to speak of. Plenty of gore - but it added little if anything and just seemed to be there for the spectacle (especially the floating head in the pool of water - WFT was that all about
Never really bought into the characters, even Daniels - so didn't really care much when they died.
Tennessee playing Russian roulette with a ship full of colonists was just dumb.
The neomorph didn't really add anything to the movie - it was kinda just there, then was disposed of without explanation just as quickly. Pretty much the same as the trilobite and Deacon in Prometheus. It just felt like it was yet another creature added in 'to be different'.
I felt Shaw's fate could have been given a bit more time, given how horrific it turned out to ultimately be.
Interesting (and perhaps a little disappointing) that Daniel turned out to be the creator of the xenomorphs. Some of the myustery around them has just gone. Also it raises more questions than it answers:
1. How did an engineer ship loaded with eggs get onto LV426.
2. Why was that ship piloted by an engineer.
3. How did the engineers come to be in the possession of thousands of eggs, when David only created half a dozen or so and these were left on the planet where covenant was set (this could be the ultimate fate of the Covenant colonists seeing as David smuggles two xenomorph embryos on board)
4. However 3 raises a further question. The ship on LV426 had supposedly been there for a long time (thousands of years?), yet David only created the xenomorph eggs <30 years prior to the events of Alien. How will that be ret-conned?
5. It also destroys the entire Predator2 and AvP backstory (unless Daniel is just re-creating or re-discovering the xenomorphs)
The final 'plot twist' could be seen coming a mile off - but left the fate of Walter unanswered.
I'd say it was a 5/10 for me - felt a bit like a money grab without any real payoff and if anything, the continued meddling with the backstory is destroying any mystery that did exist around the originals.
Perhaps some questions are best left unanswered - but we now have two movies that don't really progress things and don't answer any questions either.
SFX were pretty good, although something about the xenomorph just seemed off, especially around the mouth.
No real 'scares' to speak of. Plenty of gore - but it added little if anything and just seemed to be there for the spectacle (especially the floating head in the pool of water - WFT was that all about
Never really bought into the characters, even Daniels - so didn't really care much when they died.
Tennessee playing Russian roulette with a ship full of colonists was just dumb.
The neomorph didn't really add anything to the movie - it was kinda just there, then was disposed of without explanation just as quickly. Pretty much the same as the trilobite and Deacon in Prometheus. It just felt like it was yet another creature added in 'to be different'.
I felt Shaw's fate could have been given a bit more time, given how horrific it turned out to ultimately be.
Interesting (and perhaps a little disappointing) that Daniel turned out to be the creator of the xenomorphs. Some of the myustery around them has just gone. Also it raises more questions than it answers:
1. How did an engineer ship loaded with eggs get onto LV426.
2. Why was that ship piloted by an engineer.
3. How did the engineers come to be in the possession of thousands of eggs, when David only created half a dozen or so and these were left on the planet where covenant was set (this could be the ultimate fate of the Covenant colonists seeing as David smuggles two xenomorph embryos on board)
4. However 3 raises a further question. The ship on LV426 had supposedly been there for a long time (thousands of years?), yet David only created the xenomorph eggs <30 years prior to the events of Alien. How will that be ret-conned?
5. It also destroys the entire Predator2 and AvP backstory (unless Daniel is just re-creating or re-discovering the xenomorphs)
The final 'plot twist' could be seen coming a mile off - but left the fate of Walter unanswered.
- Was he killed by David - who then cut his own hand off to fool the crew?
- Did David implant something into Walter's neck to posses his body?
- Did Walter get swayed by Davids last words and despite killing David - decided to carry on his work?
- Did Walter surrender and elect to stay behind, allowing David to go to the Covenant?
I'd say it was a 5/10 for me - felt a bit like a money grab without any real payoff and if anything, the continued meddling with the backstory is destroying any mystery that did exist around the originals.
Perhaps some questions are best left unanswered - but we now have two movies that don't really progress things and don't answer any questions either.
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 13th May 20:42
Just back from it, as someone said earlier, it's what Prometheus should have been, I liked it, just what I was expecting really, had the wife jumping on quite a few occasions (mind you she jumps when someone knocks at the door 
)
One thing I got lost at was How did the Alien in the digger claw die, was it crushed or did they throw something in with it? in all the quick edits I missed that
) One thing I got lost at was How did the Alien in the digger claw die, was it crushed or did they throw something in with it? in all the quick edits I missed that
Moonhawk said:
Just come back from seeing it - hmm - a bit meh if i'm honest
SFX were pretty good, although something about the xenomorph just seemed off, especially around the mouth.
No real 'scares' to speak of. Plenty of gore - but it added little if anything and just seemed to be there for the spectacle (especially the floating head in the pool of water - WFT was that all about
Never really bought into the characters, even Daniels - so didn't really care much when they died.
Tennessee playing Russian roulette with a ship full of colonists was just dumb.
The neomorph didn't really add anything to the movie - it was kinda just there, then was disposed of without explanation just as quickly. Pretty much the same as the trilobite and Deacon in Prometheus. It just felt like it was yet another creature added in 'to be different'.
I felt Shaw's fate could have been given a bit more time, given how horrific it turned out to ultimately be.
Interesting that Daniel was the creator of the xenomorphs - but that raises more questions than it answers:
1. How did an engineer ship loaded with eggs get onto LV426.
2. Why was that ship piloted by an engineer.
3. How did the engineers come to be in the possession of thousands of eggs, when David only created half a dozen or so and these were left on the planet where covenant was set (this could be the ultimate fate of the Covenant colonists seeing as David smuggles two xenomorph embryos on board)
4. However 3 raises a further question. The ship on LV426 had supposedly been there for a long time (thousands of years?), yet David only created the xenomorph eggs <30 years prior to the events of Alien. How will that be ret-conned?
5. It also destroys the entire Predator2 and AvP backstory (unless Daniel is just re-creating or re-discovering the xenomorphs)
The final 'plot twist' could be seen coming a mile off - but left the fate of Walter unanswered.
I'd say it was a 5/10 for me - felt a bit like a money grab without any real payoff and if anything, the continued meddling is destroying the mystery around the originals. Perhaps some questions are best left unanswered.
xenomorphs have not appeared yet. It was a 'protomorph' apparently. Xenomorphs will presumably come in one of the next films before 'alien'. This is what I read anyway. SFX were pretty good, although something about the xenomorph just seemed off, especially around the mouth.
No real 'scares' to speak of. Plenty of gore - but it added little if anything and just seemed to be there for the spectacle (especially the floating head in the pool of water - WFT was that all about
Never really bought into the characters, even Daniels - so didn't really care much when they died.
Tennessee playing Russian roulette with a ship full of colonists was just dumb.
The neomorph didn't really add anything to the movie - it was kinda just there, then was disposed of without explanation just as quickly. Pretty much the same as the trilobite and Deacon in Prometheus. It just felt like it was yet another creature added in 'to be different'.
I felt Shaw's fate could have been given a bit more time, given how horrific it turned out to ultimately be.
Interesting that Daniel was the creator of the xenomorphs - but that raises more questions than it answers:
1. How did an engineer ship loaded with eggs get onto LV426.
2. Why was that ship piloted by an engineer.
3. How did the engineers come to be in the possession of thousands of eggs, when David only created half a dozen or so and these were left on the planet where covenant was set (this could be the ultimate fate of the Covenant colonists seeing as David smuggles two xenomorph embryos on board)
4. However 3 raises a further question. The ship on LV426 had supposedly been there for a long time (thousands of years?), yet David only created the xenomorph eggs <30 years prior to the events of Alien. How will that be ret-conned?
5. It also destroys the entire Predator2 and AvP backstory (unless Daniel is just re-creating or re-discovering the xenomorphs)
The final 'plot twist' could be seen coming a mile off - but left the fate of Walter unanswered.
- Was he killed by David - who then cut his own hand off to fool the crew?
- Did David implant something into Walter's neck to posses his body?
- Did Walter get swayed by Davids last words and despite killing David - decided to carry on his work?
- Did Walter surrender and elect to stay behind, allowing David to go to the Covenant?
I'd say it was a 5/10 for me - felt a bit like a money grab without any real payoff and if anything, the continued meddling is destroying the mystery around the originals. Perhaps some questions are best left unanswered.
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 13th May 20:39
p1stonhead said:
xenomorphs have not appeared yet. It was a 'protomorph' apparently. Xenomorphs will presumably come in one of the next films before 'alien'
Even so - if it is a precursor to the xenomorphs (it looked for all intents and purposes just like a xenomorph, same facehugger, same eggs etc) - it still answers none of the questions raisedMoonhawk said:
p1stonhead said:
xenomorphs have not appeared yet. It was a 'protomorph' apparently. Xenomorphs will presumably come in one of the next films before 'alien'
Even so - if it is a precursor to the xenomorphs (it looked for all intents and purposes just like a xenomorph, same facehugger, same eggs etc) - it still answers none of the questions raisedMastodon2 said:
youngsyr said:
Where's the redemption? Everyone in the entire colony is brutally murdered except one small child, who is orphaned and God knows how distressed.
Not sure many people would sign up for two hours of unrelenting horror.
Really? I'd be throwing my money at them to see that.Not sure many people would sign up for two hours of unrelenting horror.
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