Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...
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Well, someone really loves the film.
Here he explains why it’s great and we are all wrong...
https://youtu.be/YIftf6S3hvI
Here he explains why it’s great and we are all wrong...
https://youtu.be/YIftf6S3hvI
Watched it again this week as Covenant is on Sky Cinema at the moment.
It's better than I remember than when I watched it at the cinema however still way behind the other Alien films. Granted enjoying it does mean ignoring a lot of the plot holes but once you do its watchable just not great.
It's better than I remember than when I watched it at the cinema however still way behind the other Alien films. Granted enjoying it does mean ignoring a lot of the plot holes but once you do its watchable just not great.
SpudLink said:
Well, someone really loves the film.
Here he explains why it’s great and we are all wrong...
https://youtu.be/YIftf6S3hvI
I think some of his points are off.Here he explains why it’s great and we are all wrong...
https://youtu.be/YIftf6S3hvI
He draws a parallel between the egg scene in Alien and the one in Covenant - stating that nobody complained how dumb it was when John Hurt's character looked into the egg.
The difference is - in Covenant, the crew had already been attacked, so knew weird looking organisms were potentially deadly on this planet. David had also been shown to be creepy and untrustworthy by this point and had shown an affinity/emotional connection to the creatures. The character he asked to look into the egg had just killed one of these right in front of David moments before, with David expressing extreme displeasure at this act.
I'm sorry - but the two scenes aren't at all comparable. It's what happens in the build up to these scenes that is important. John Hurt's character had zero information to go on. It was an innocent act borne out of pure ignorance. The same cannot be said of Covenant.
Moonhawk said:
I think some of his points are off.
He draws a parallel between the egg scene in Alien and the one in Covenant - stating that nobody complained how dumb it was when John Hurt's character looked into the egg.
The difference is - in Covenant, the crew had already been attacked, so knew weird looking organisms were potentially deadly on this planet. David had also been shown to be creepy and untrustworthy by this point and had shown an affinity/emotional connection to the creatures. The character he asked to look into the egg had just killed one of these right in front of David moments before, with David expressing extreme displeasure at this act.
I'm sorry - but the two scenes aren't at all comparable. It's what happens in the build up to these scenes that is important. John Hurt's character had zero information to go on. It was an innocent act borne out of pure ignorance. The same cannot be said of Covenant.
I'd have thought that was quite obvious as well.He draws a parallel between the egg scene in Alien and the one in Covenant - stating that nobody complained how dumb it was when John Hurt's character looked into the egg.
The difference is - in Covenant, the crew had already been attacked, so knew weird looking organisms were potentially deadly on this planet. David had also been shown to be creepy and untrustworthy by this point and had shown an affinity/emotional connection to the creatures. The character he asked to look into the egg had just killed one of these right in front of David moments before, with David expressing extreme displeasure at this act.
I'm sorry - but the two scenes aren't at all comparable. It's what happens in the build up to these scenes that is important. John Hurt's character had zero information to go on. It was an innocent act borne out of pure ignorance. The same cannot be said of Covenant.
The bit I don't understand is how the director thinks it's fine.
Moonhawk said:
I think some of his points are off.
He draws a parallel between the egg scene in Alien and the one in Covenant - stating that nobody complained how dumb it was when John Hurt's character looked into the egg.
The difference is - in Covenant, the crew had already been attacked, so knew weird looking organisms were potentially deadly on this planet. David had also been shown to be creepy and untrustworthy by this point and had shown an affinity/emotional connection to the creatures. The character he asked to look into the egg had just killed one of these right in front of David moments before, with David expressing extreme displeasure at this act.
I'm sorry - but the two scenes aren't at all comparable. It's what happens in the build up to these scenes that is important. John Hurt's character had zero information to go on. It was an innocent act borne out of pure ignorance. The same cannot be said of Covenant.
I've watched some of his other vids...I think he's a tad disingenuous or just not that good at understanding differences. Or he just wants to be different to attract viewers. He's OK, but RLM, Georg and Rossatron will remain my main go to's.He draws a parallel between the egg scene in Alien and the one in Covenant - stating that nobody complained how dumb it was when John Hurt's character looked into the egg.
The difference is - in Covenant, the crew had already been attacked, so knew weird looking organisms were potentially deadly on this planet. David had also been shown to be creepy and untrustworthy by this point and had shown an affinity/emotional connection to the creatures. The character he asked to look into the egg had just killed one of these right in front of David moments before, with David expressing extreme displeasure at this act.
I'm sorry - but the two scenes aren't at all comparable. It's what happens in the build up to these scenes that is important. John Hurt's character had zero information to go on. It was an innocent act borne out of pure ignorance. The same cannot be said of Covenant.
Finally got around to watching it and it was fairly rubbish.
Many have talked about basic problems with the world building, the plot and how it matches with the Lore and all are correct. IMO a bigger issue than all of that is just no proper characterisation. Someone said that this should have been called David: Covenant and he was the only character in the movie virtually all the rest were just horror movie cyphers who we were waiting for to die in various spectacular ways.
It is writing 101. If you have interesting characters, and interesting plot arcs for those characters, you can make good movies with virtually any subject matter in any genre.
As with many recent Hollywood blockbusters the writing comes a long way down the list in terms of importance.
As for Ridley Scott. If you give him a good script he is capable of directing a great movie. If he has a bad script he directs a bad movie. He isn't the visionary director you would want to create a new franchise.
Many have talked about basic problems with the world building, the plot and how it matches with the Lore and all are correct. IMO a bigger issue than all of that is just no proper characterisation. Someone said that this should have been called David: Covenant and he was the only character in the movie virtually all the rest were just horror movie cyphers who we were waiting for to die in various spectacular ways.
It is writing 101. If you have interesting characters, and interesting plot arcs for those characters, you can make good movies with virtually any subject matter in any genre.
As with many recent Hollywood blockbusters the writing comes a long way down the list in terms of importance.
As for Ridley Scott. If you give him a good script he is capable of directing a great movie. If he has a bad script he directs a bad movie. He isn't the visionary director you would want to create a new franchise.
he has a video out about we all should ignore plot holes, he's a muppet/shill/moron/instigator...delete as appropriate. 
robemcdonald said:
Whenever I stumble upon it on TV I feel myself compelled to watch it (regardless of what stage of the film it is). I know it’s utter rubbish, but I find oddly irresistible.
Very strange.
I think it's the fantastic visuals rather than story that compels us to re-watch...Very strange.
chris watton said:
robemcdonald said:
Whenever I stumble upon it on TV I feel myself compelled to watch it (regardless of what stage of the film it is). I know it’s utter rubbish, but I find oddly irresistible.
Very strange.
I think it's the fantastic visuals rather than story that compels us to re-watch...Very strange.
The perfect trilogy was squandered way back.
alien - 1 v 8
aliens - nest v colony
alien³ - should have been aliens v earth, a bit like what the end of ALien:resurrection promised, the threat that they land on earth in an apocalyptic/doomsday/28 months later scenario.
I recall reading one of the comics where the SJs come to earth and there is tension, the president goes and meets with SJ leader and he is infected with an alien because SJs are pathologically terrified of them and terrans are just so feeble military speaking in comparison to the SJs. Damn good story.
I had my own idea that there was an alien homeworld, with an 'emperor' alien at the heart of it (similar to Arachnophobia) and that this was the spawn of all aliens. My ideas way back when were much better than the utter f
king drivel hollywood crimped out.
alien - 1 v 8
aliens - nest v colony
alien³ - should have been aliens v earth, a bit like what the end of ALien:resurrection promised, the threat that they land on earth in an apocalyptic/doomsday/28 months later scenario.
I recall reading one of the comics where the SJs come to earth and there is tension, the president goes and meets with SJ leader and he is infected with an alien because SJs are pathologically terrified of them and terrans are just so feeble military speaking in comparison to the SJs. Damn good story.
I had my own idea that there was an alien homeworld, with an 'emperor' alien at the heart of it (similar to Arachnophobia) and that this was the spawn of all aliens. My ideas way back when were much better than the utter f
king drivel hollywood crimped out.Durzel said:
My pet peeve with Prometheus is the the tech looks far more advanced than Alien, even though it's a prequel. I guess it's not a massive gripe, and I know Ridley can't help himself, but still..
It does, but then maybe that's like comparing Elon Musk's private yacht to some commercial freighter shipping ore around the world.Halb said:
The perfect trilogy was squandered way back.
alien - 1 v 8
aliens - nest v colony
alien³ - should have been aliens v earth, a bit like what the end of ALien:resurrection promised, the threat that they land on earth in an apocalyptic/doomsday/28 months later scenario.
I recall reading one of the comics where the SJs come to earth and there is tension, the president goes and meets with SJ leader and he is infected with an alien because SJs are pathologically terrified of them and terrans are just so feeble military speaking in comparison to the SJs. Damn good story.
I had my own idea that there was an alien homeworld, with an 'emperor' alien at the heart of it (similar to Arachnophobia) and that this was the spawn of all aliens. My ideas way back when were much better than the utter fking drivel hollywood crimped out.
Agree with this completely. The escalation in the first 2 was excellent, it should have naturally progressed to all out war in the third. Some of the comic storylines even went down the war route and they do find a Queen of all Queens or some such in the end IIRC. No idea why they didn't just tidy that up and film that. Instead we got lumped with a turgid retread of Alien, I know Alien 3 has it fans but I'm not one of them and the less said about subsequent films the better. alien - 1 v 8
aliens - nest v colony
alien³ - should have been aliens v earth, a bit like what the end of ALien:resurrection promised, the threat that they land on earth in an apocalyptic/doomsday/28 months later scenario.
I recall reading one of the comics where the SJs come to earth and there is tension, the president goes and meets with SJ leader and he is infected with an alien because SJs are pathologically terrified of them and terrans are just so feeble military speaking in comparison to the SJs. Damn good story.
I had my own idea that there was an alien homeworld, with an 'emperor' alien at the heart of it (similar to Arachnophobia) and that this was the spawn of all aliens. My ideas way back when were much better than the utter f
king drivel hollywood crimped out.Waste of a good franchise and some epic source material IMO.
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