TV License

[marshalla]

<geek mode>
None of the Internet stuff is broadcast - it's all unicast.
</geek mode>

[Mobsta]

Famous Graham said:

cazzer said:

An intertnet webcam by definition is not live

Umm, yes it most certainly is

I sense a tremor in the force. Perhaps a nervous laugh, from JEDI Graham.

I ask the honourable Mr Graham if he would care to remind us all, how a silly little web cam (used for chatting to family etc) can most definitely be considered extremely live, even when left unattended

Gooooon G. Plenty of new faces who may enjoy and will surely benefit from your wisdom
I demand a summary (this thread is as boring as all the others, besides).

[Steffan]

cazzer said:

Stevenj214 said:

Thanks for clearing that up.

Not that I'm doubting your legal knowledge of TV licensing law, but would you care to expand or share a source?

Because it isnt television.
Otherwise you would need a tv licence for a remotely viewed cctv camera which you dont.

That is rather what I think. I still have not seen a definitive case.

I suspect that this is because the BBC know perfectly well that this is the case but get more money by refusing to admit this.

Which sadly is typical of the current business approach of big business.

[eldar]

The TV licence is based on the 1950 technology and viewing pattern. Technology has passed it by, and it is no longer effective.

Time to change it.

[Famous Graham]

Man-At-Arms said:

Famous Graham said:

Stevenj214 said:

That's my question. What is television? Does it need to be available to the public?

Anything broadcast by the BBC (which is what the licence funds). That's all.

so i could watch ITV & C4 only without paying

I was being a little sarcastic, but it wasn't clear. Apologies. Unfortunately, no - it's any broadcasts. Even flippin' Sky.

Talking of sarcasm...

Mobsta said:

Famous Graham said:

cazzer said:

An intertnet webcam by definition is not live

Umm, yes it most certainly is

I sense a tremor in the force. Perhaps a nervous laugh, from JEDI Graham.

I ask the honourable Mr Graham if he would care to remind us all, how a silly little web cam (used for chatting to family etc) can most definitely be considered extremely live, even when left unattended

Gooooon G. Plenty of new faces who may enjoy and will surely benefit from your wisdom
I demand a summary (this thread is as boring as all the others, besides).

Because it's showing what's happening right now. That's what "live" in this context means. ie it isn't recorded and played back at a later time.

What it isn't, is broadcast. It's a direct feed.

[Stevenj214]

Famous Graham said:

I was being a little sarcastic, but it wasn't clear. Apologies. Unfortunately, no - it's any broadcasts. Even flippin' Sky.

So the question is then - what is a 'broadcast'? Is the live video stream of the rat babies a 'broadcast'?

[Famous Graham]

Stevenj214 said:

Famous Graham said:

I was being a little sarcastic, but it wasn't clear. Apologies. Unfortunately, no - it's any broadcasts. Even flippin' Sky.

So the question is then - what is a 'broadcast'? Is the live video stream of the rat babies a 'broadcast'?

No, because it's intended for a "narrow", as opposed to "broad", audience, hence the name.

From Wiki:
"The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act of 1988 defines a broadcast as "a transmission by wireless telegraphy of visual images, sounds, or other information which is capable of lawful reception by the public or which is made for presentation to the public". Thus, it covers radio, television, teletext and telephones."

I appreciate that the advance of wireless technology has started to overlap that definition, but for the purposes of the television licence, it's simplest to just consider it applicable to anything one would consider "telly" (ie shows, films etc made for general consumption), if you follow me.