Star Wars eps. 1-3 - a change of view

[TheHeretic]

KB_S1 said:

As said it was CGI'd over the original scene with a fat man. Interesting that thy had to animate Solo in a way that it looked like he stepped on Jabba's tail when circling around him.

And it looks terrible when he does.

[Halb]

KB_S1 said:

As said it was CGI'd over the original scene with a fat man. Interesting that thy had to animate Solo in a way that it looked like he stepped on Jabba's tail when circling around him.

Yeah, that was just awful,a jerky up and down motion like some 80s Atari video game, and then of course the excuse to put a funny face on Jabba (why was Lucas obsessed with putting 'laughs' in?). Realistically, Jabba would have had him battered for such an act of disrespect.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

why he felt the need to go back and fix the continuation error is beyond me im sure most people didnt care that between films he went from fat man to slug they just accepted it and moved on

[JonRB]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

why he felt the need to go back and fix the continuation error is beyond me im sure most people didnt care that between films he went from fat man to slug they just accepted it and moved on

The "fat man" was never in the original film - it was cut footage. So it's not "fixing" it. George Lucus wanted to add this 'previously cut scene' that rather inconveniently had a fat man playing Jabba. He pasted a CGI Hutt over that and then realised that Han Solo walks behind Jabba and that Hutts have tails.

What he should have done was said "this scene doesn't work. Bin it" but instead he tried to make it work. And failed.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

your right for some reason i seems to remember it being there i wonder why :S

[Daniel1]

A lot of debate on this which is good.

I think the prequels were aweful. Aweful technically and also as a star wars fan. But, to be honest, they share some flaws with the originals. They're all overly slow and have tedious dialogue. The redeeming feature for the original trilogy is the the epic scenes (such as the Darth Vader / Luke fight scene in ROTJ).

Personally I take things I like from the trilogy's and use my imagination to turn them into something I like. I also feel fans should have played a bigger part in the story. I get the feeling that Lucas was saying "this is my party and ill do whatever i want". You only need to look the story for the "the force unleashed" to see how clever writing and a bit of imagination can link a prequel to the original trilogy without ruining any original story lines. The origins of the rebel symbol for instance.

My only lasting gripe with star wars is the lack of imagination when using the force. It must be able to do more then just push pull and jump things. I don't need it to be quite Harry potter, but still...

Eta: my second lasting gripe is anakin skywalker. He is supposed to be the biggest baddest Jedi that ever lived. I always thought (wrongly maybe) that he was nigh on unbeatable, both in the force and in lightsaber skill. He is in fact a bit of a regular Joe.

Edited by Daniel1 on Monday 23 January 13:13

[KB_S1]

'Aweful' as in full of awe?

Anyway, I wonder if SW would work well as a serious drama series, like BSG.
I know Lucas keeps talking about it but, not sure what it would take to work. Hopefully the reduced budget compared to his prequels would force him and directors to rely on strong plot ad acting more.

[Twincam16]

KB_S1 said:

'Aweful' as in full of awe?

Anyway, I wonder if SW would work well as a serious drama series, like BSG.
I know Lucas keeps talking about it but, not sure what it would take to work. Hopefully the reduced budget compared to his prequels would force him and directors to rely on strong plot ad acting more.

Could do, especially as a lot of more serious, adult-orientated drama ends up on American TV rather than the big screen these days.

I'd like to see something set immediately after Return of the Jedi, about the establishment of the new Republic, maybe focused on the adventures of some task force purging the last remnants of the Dark Side from the galaxy, flitting between that and the political wrangling and inevitable corruption involved in setting up new governments etc.

In making that, they'd also be acknowledging that the fans of Star Wars who were kids when the original films came out, and still enjoy them, are now adults who want something just as exciting, but more cerebral, set in the same universe.

[Daniel1]

KB_S1 said:

'Aweful' as in full of awe?

Anyway, I wonder if SW would work well as a serious drama series, like BSG.
I know Lucas keeps talking about it but, not sure what it would take to work. Hopefully the reduced budget compared to his prequels would force him and directors to rely on strong plot ad acting more.

The other one, like my spelling.

[Pesty]

TheHeretic said:

Not really fair. Plenty of excellent films nowadays, they just don't get the limelight the summer blockbuster media gets. Plenty of gash films back then too!

Yes of course there are still good films like twilight

Star wars changed things, yes there were gash films and good films now. IMO star wars changed the ballance.

Instead of acting and script more producers went for explosions and pop corn and of course the $$$$$

[BenM77]

KB_S1 said:

'Aweful' as in full of awe?

Anyway, I wonder if SW would work well as a serious drama series, like BSG.
I know Lucas keeps talking about it but, not sure what it would take to work. Hopefully the reduced budget compared to his prequels would force him and directors to rely on strong plot ad acting more.

I hope they try a series, I would prefer if they followed on from ROTJ and came up with something new.

A good sci-fi series could progress to more films if done right.

[JonRB]

BenM77 said:

I hope they try a series, I would prefer if they followed on from ROTJ and came up with something new.

I very much doubt it will happen whilst George Lucas is still alive.

He's even gone on record as saying that not only will the original cinema release of the original trilogy (ie. before he started "improving" them) will never make it onto BluRay whilst he is alive and that he hopes they are lost forever since they are all on perishable media and he has no intention of archiving them or condoning their archival.

So given his constant need to be in total control and his obsession with "pew-pew shiny-shiny kerCHING" I just can't see him handing over control to writers who can actually write and directors who can actually direct. Sadly.

[FourWheelDrift]

50 1hr shows have already been written, the only delay is the production budget.

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/1198217/new_st...

[darth_pies]

KB_S1 said:

I wonder if SW would work well as a serious drama series, like BSG.I know Lucas keeps talking about it but, not sure what it would take to work.

The death of George Lucas?

[Twincam16]

FourWheelDrift said:

50 1hr shows have already been written, the only delay is the production budget.

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/1198217/new_st...

Thing is, while I like the sound of that, they're just dramatising things that we already know have happened - specifically, the rise of the Rebel Alliance and Darth Vader. Anyone with half a brain and a pinch of imagination who's seen Revenge Of The Sith and A New Hope knows this. It's ended before it's started, because the end is the classic trilogy of films.

But if they set it after Return Of The Jedi they could do absolutely anything with it - introduce new alien races, new enclaves of Dark Side followers, unexpectedly kill off major characters (Han/Leia/Lando etc - even Luke if they were feeling really bold). So many opportunities. By being obssessed with the origins of A New Hope and doing them to death, Lucas is just running round in circles.

[JonRB]

darth_pies said:

The death of George Lucas?

Blimey, is there an echo in here?

[JonRB]

Twincam16 said:

But if they set it after Return Of The Jedi they could do absolutely anything with it - introduce new alien races, new enclaves of Dark Side followers, unexpectedly kill off major characters (Han/Leia/Lando etc - even Luke if they were feeling really bold). So many opportunities. By being obssessed with the origins of A New Hope and doing them to death, Lucas is just running round in circles.

They could do anything with it? Seriously? There's just the small matter of the Expanded Universe.

Expanded Universe
The Star Wars Expanded Universe encompasses all of the officially licensed, fictional background of the Star Wars universe, outside of the six feature films produced by George Lucas. The expanded universe includes books, comic books, video games, spin-off films like Star Wars: The Clone Wars, television series, toys, and other media. This material expands and continues the stories told in the films and, excepting where it contradicts the films, is generally considered canonical.

They would either have to dramatise the books (which would be no bad thing - the Heir to the Empire trilogy would be brilliant) or else basically tear up the whole Expanded Universe.

[Halb]

They could easily rip up t EU, The only real canon is celluloid.
I remember the chat about a telly series, sadly George fracked it up by making stty films, because he was in total control unlike the first two.
A series would be great if it was gritty like BSG, but I don't see it because Lucas is a seller of kids toys first and foremost.

JonRB said:

He's even gone on record as saying that not only will the original cinema release of the original trilogy (ie. before he started "improving" them) will never make it onto BluRay whilst he is alive and that he hopes they are lost forever since they are all on perishable media and he has no intention of archiving them or condoning their archival.

I had thought they had already made it onto blu-ray! Seems sad he has said the above.

[KB_S1]

Blu-Ray release had all the modern CGI additions.

Selling kids toys? Probably make more selling grown up kids toys from the near whole planet worth of original fans.

[JonRB]

Halb said:

I had thought they had already made it onto blu-ray! Seems sad he has said the above.

The "original" versions on the BluRay are the Special Edition versions released in cinemas in the 90's just before the prequels, and hence represent George Lucas' first round of messing around with them. They are not the true originals that were screened in the late 70's and early 80's on first release.