No wonder people download films illegally.
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tali1 said:
Watchdog on Popcorn prices -the profit mark ups are scandalous 
"We tried and found we could buy popcorn for 33 pence per 100 grams if the order was big enough, and we could also buy printed boxes for 10 pence. So making a 62 gram box like Cineworld's would cost 21 pence for the popcorn - that's 31 pence in total. Selling this at £4.00 as cinemas do, that's makes for just under a 1200% markup! Very tasty."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/09/popcor...
Remember hearing a while back there's more profit in corn kernels than heroin. And the boxes cost more than the popcorn that fills them..."We tried and found we could buy popcorn for 33 pence per 100 grams if the order was big enough, and we could also buy printed boxes for 10 pence. So making a 62 gram box like Cineworld's would cost 21 pence for the popcorn - that's 31 pence in total. Selling this at £4.00 as cinemas do, that's makes for just under a 1200% markup! Very tasty."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/09/popcor...
Silverbullet767 said:
Slightly different to the cinema, but still OT,
I have the Lord of the Rings on DVD, the theatrical release for the fellowship, and two towers, but the extended return of the king.
I fancied watching a lord of the rings marathon at the weekend, rain battering off the window, so nothing much else to do on a rainy Saturday.
So the Wednesday before I thought I would nip in to my local supermarket and try and find the extended versions of the first 2 movies.
Tesco, not in stock, Asda, not in stock. OK, I thought, my local video store will probably have it. Blockbuster, not in stock, even HMV didn't have it in stock, but they could order it in for me. 3 weeks!! 3 weeks? This isn't some 1980's obscure TV show episode 3 of 5 ffs!
OK, starting to get annoyed, I'll order it from Amazon, order placed Wednesday, relieved of £17 for the 2 films. Delivery for Friday ready for Saturday.
Friday comes and goes no DVD. Saturday, no DVD, email on Saturday afternoon saying that 'due to an unexpected delay, there may be 2 extra business days to wait until delivery.
I'm trying to do the right thing here, but what's the point.
2 seconds on the pirate bay and you can find the lord of the rings blu-ray ripped to mkv.
No wonder people pirate material.
seeing as you have purchased a copy from amazon you are allowed to make backups for personal use, so technically you havent done anything wrongI have the Lord of the Rings on DVD, the theatrical release for the fellowship, and two towers, but the extended return of the king.
I fancied watching a lord of the rings marathon at the weekend, rain battering off the window, so nothing much else to do on a rainy Saturday.
So the Wednesday before I thought I would nip in to my local supermarket and try and find the extended versions of the first 2 movies.
Tesco, not in stock, Asda, not in stock. OK, I thought, my local video store will probably have it. Blockbuster, not in stock, even HMV didn't have it in stock, but they could order it in for me. 3 weeks!! 3 weeks? This isn't some 1980's obscure TV show episode 3 of 5 ffs!
OK, starting to get annoyed, I'll order it from Amazon, order placed Wednesday, relieved of £17 for the 2 films. Delivery for Friday ready for Saturday.
Friday comes and goes no DVD. Saturday, no DVD, email on Saturday afternoon saying that 'due to an unexpected delay, there may be 2 extra business days to wait until delivery.
I'm trying to do the right thing here, but what's the point.
2 seconds on the pirate bay and you can find the lord of the rings blu-ray ripped to mkv.
No wonder people pirate material.
Tyrewrecker said:
moanthebairns said:
to be fair its a product I cant get anywhere for miles around! And hardly something I could make at home or bring in
almost 4 quid for a softdrink is just something I would avoid full stopAlso begs question of Fanta Frozen -are they allowed to restrict/limit it's availability and keep prices at rip off levels ?
tali1 said:
Tyrewrecker said:
moanthebairns said:
to be fair its a product I cant get anywhere for miles around! And hardly something I could make at home or bring in
almost 4 quid for a softdrink is just something I would avoid full stopAlso begs question of Fanta Frozen -are they allowed to restrict/limit it's availability and keep prices at rip off levels ?
44/1 ration at £9 a box before they get discount so costs about 20p to make!
wow! 18 x more than it cost to make, im seriously considering a slushie machine they are that good though
moanthebairns said:
tali1 said:
Tyrewrecker said:
moanthebairns said:
to be fair its a product I cant get anywhere for miles around! And hardly something I could make at home or bring in
almost 4 quid for a softdrink is just something I would avoid full stopAlso begs question of Fanta Frozen -are they allowed to restrict/limit it's availability and keep prices at rip off levels ?
44/1 ration at £9 a box before they get discount so costs about 20p to make!
wow! 18 x more than it cost to make, im seriously considering a slushie machine they are that good though
Don't forget not just cinema but family attraction are huge rip off -the difference between a cup of tea at asda and alton towers was something like 18000% !!!
CypherP said:
Its one thing having a moan about the ridiculous cinema prices and experiences, but sitting here letting the world know you're watching pirate copies instead is going a little far I think.
Why? He would never pay £6.50 to watch it, so the Cinema hasn't lost any money.If he couldn't watch it as a 'copy', more than likely he wouldn't bother. No money lost either.
You can't watch it online (Love film, amazon instant, netflix) because the film studios are so greedy, they won't give out good films on licence to the online providers. Where else can he watch it?
Of course, you could take the approach that if he can't afford it - don't watch it, but then, with millions of people taking that approach, the film industry would collapse, as people wouldn't bother - he might go tell 10 people how much fun it is, and 5 might go see it at the cinema.
It might actually pay, to release lower quality on pirate - because I'm happy to go pay to watch it, but unless that person who wanted to watch the crap copy didn't tell me how good it was, I wouldn't necessarily have bothered, or even knew the film was out.
How can you quantify "lost revenue" ??
How is it really much different to giving your mate's the DVD you bought - or having 10 people over to watch a film. I only bought it once.
You might argue that the provider has lost the £5 you paid for the DVD - indeed they have, but not 10x£5 as they would have you believe.
For another topic I might add.
Just my 2p.
CypherP said:
Its one thing having a moan about the ridiculous cinema prices and experiences, but sitting here letting the world know you're watching pirate copies instead is going a little far I think.
Every bugger else does it! I never said I downloaded it, I just said I watched a copy.I work in a hospital so come into contact with a lot of people daily. I don't know of one person who doesn't at least have a few downloaded films or albums. Even the IT techies have hard drives full of the latest downloaded TV episodes or something!
I have plenty of legit music albums and dvds, but nowadays, with super fast internet, its easily possible to download a full music album in a few mins, or a 700meg dvdrip of a movie. Start the download, go make a cuppa, come back and its done. No hassle.
A work colleague actually posted on her Facebook this evening that she was going to the cinema to watch the new American pie film. They went to one of the nicer cinema's a bit further out of the way. Unfortunately, when they got there, it had sold out and they ended up watching something else!
For the record, I'll happily go out and buy the blu ray when it comes out, which wont be much more than the cost of a cinema ticket in the first place.
To be fair, the topic was about "No wonder people download films illegally", I was trying to say I agree with the OP and its easy to see why when you can download a movie now in the time it takes to make a cuppa
Edited by James_N on Thursday 3rd May 01:19
CypherP said:
Its one thing having a moan about the ridiculous cinema prices and experiences, but sitting here letting the world know you're watching pirate copies instead is going a little far I think.
In a video rental store a few years ago now, the driving licence and passport I'd brought were insufficient for the "computer says no" drone behind the desk to trust us, bizarrely an electric bill would have been sufficient. Y'know, those laser printed pieces of paper that are so much harder to forge than the holographs and wotnot found on driving licences and passports... Brother in law turns to me and loudly for the whole shop to hear goes "f--- this bol----, lets just go home download it"Industry hardly helps itself.
James_N said:
CypherP said:
Its one thing having a moan about the ridiculous cinema prices and experiences, but sitting here letting the world know you're watching pirate copies instead is going a little far I think.
Every bugger else does it! I never said I downloaded it, I just said I watched a copy.I work in a hospital so come into contact with a lot of people daily. I don't know of one person who doesn't at least have a few downloaded films or albums. Even the IT techies have hard drives full of the latest downloaded TV episodes or something!
I have plenty of legit music albums and dvds, but nowadays, with super fast internet, its easily possible to download a full music album in a few mins, or a 700meg dvdrip of a movie. Start the download, go make a cuppa, come back and its done. No hassle.
A work colleague actually posted on her Facebook this evening that she was going to the cinema to watch the new American pie film. They went to one of the nicer cinema's a bit further out of the way. Unfortunately, when they got there, it had sold out and they ended up watching something else!
For the record, I'll happily go out and buy the blu ray when it comes out, which wont be much more than the cost of a cinema ticket in the first place.
To be fair, the topic was about "No wonder people download films illegally", I was trying to say I agree with the OP and its easy to see why when you can download a movie now in the time it takes to make a cuppa
Edited by James_N on Thursday 3rd May 01:19
The justification that it is all too easy to do with increased download capability and rental places etc being too invasive is a given in some way, but I think a lot of it boils down to whether people want something for nothing.
Like everything else in this world, the goods that we enjoy are manufactured at a cost and therefore passed on to the consumers that want to enjoy it. I'm not by any means saying that the price of watching a new film is justified, as it certainly is a massive rip off, when as you mention, you can buy it a couple of months post cinema release for around the same price. However, I must be one of these people that believes that I'd rather pay for a good quality film or album and give back what a lot of film makers or artists spend their time doing, to please the fan/consumer, than avoid a tenner here or there so that I can enjoy something at someone else's expense.
I suppose it works the same way for fuel etc. I enjoy driving and therefore need fuel. I wouldn't however feel like filling up to enjoy another drive, but deciding not to pay for it because I thought it was a rip off.
Sorry if I've dragged this off-topic. As said, I agree that it is overly expensive these days, I just don't have the same mentality as a lot of people who download or watch new films for nout.
it's also a self fulfilling prophecy.
the more people download, the more cinemas will have to charge to make up the shortfall, which will encourage more people to download.
it's a sticky wicket and no mistake. The cinemas need to find a way of adding more value (i suppose 3D is a way of doing this)
the more people download, the more cinemas will have to charge to make up the shortfall, which will encourage more people to download.
it's a sticky wicket and no mistake. The cinemas need to find a way of adding more value (i suppose 3D is a way of doing this)
Greg_D said:
it's also a self fulfilling prophecy.
the more people download, the more cinemas will have to charge to make up the shortfall, which will encourage more people to download.
it's a sticky wicket and no mistake. The cinemas need to find a way of adding more value (i suppose 3D is a way of doing this)
I think this will be the future of cinema.the more people download, the more cinemas will have to charge to make up the shortfall, which will encourage more people to download.
it's a sticky wicket and no mistake. The cinemas need to find a way of adding more value (i suppose 3D is a way of doing this)
Cinema is ridiculous these days, agree with every sentiment the OP made.
It's just too damn overpriced. It's a recent development too...
When I got my first job I could take a girl on a date to the flicks for less than a tenner. If they wanted something to eat/drink it was only a couple of quid more.
Now you can barely buy one ticket for a tenner.
No wonder you see more and more people going to the cinema alone.
My solution? Get a VGA cable and a stereo-to-stereo cable and visit 1channel.ch. Illegal, no doubt, but far, far cheaper.
It's just too damn overpriced. It's a recent development too...
When I got my first job I could take a girl on a date to the flicks for less than a tenner. If they wanted something to eat/drink it was only a couple of quid more.
Now you can barely buy one ticket for a tenner.
No wonder you see more and more people going to the cinema alone.
My solution? Get a VGA cable and a stereo-to-stereo cable and visit 1channel.ch. Illegal, no doubt, but far, far cheaper.
MX7 said:
That would be absolutely f
king epic! Imagine Pulp Fiction played out in your own front room/cinema. Yolanda said:
EVERYBODY BE COOL THIS IS A ROBBERY! ANY OF YOU PRICKS MOVE AND I'LL EXECUTE EVERY LAST MUTHAfkING ONE OF YOU!
kING ONE OF YOU!Would be AMAZING! Please please please let that be the future!
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