The Men Who Made Us Fat

[Halb]

Science behind fasting on BBC 1 now.

[Halb]

Government's "dereliction of duty" over obesity crisis

[Art0ir]

Halb said:

Government's "dereliction of duty" over obesity crisis

Why would they do anything? They get a nation of wobbling, docile idiots while they continue down their trodden path in search of more money and power.

[Halb]

Anyone watch Dispatches, the Great School Dinner Scandal?
Christ that Gove is a weapons grade cocksocket.

[Magic919]

Just recording it now. And the programme that follows (also food-related).

[Halb]

Is Alzheimer’s Type 3 Diabetes?
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/bi...

[dave_s13]

Halb said:

I wonder if chip shops starting sprinkling sugar in their chips/batter if they're custom would go up?

I can't eat fish n chips without lashings of tomato sauce and/or curry sauce, which is essentially sugar non?

[Halb]

I used to love tommy sauce on me chips, but I do prefer them without now. I find tommy sauce too sickly sweet for me.
I do still like curry and gravy.

Here's another great vid.
http://www.hungryforchange.tv/book-free-screening

I think this free screening ends in 1 day.

[LordGrover]

Watched FOOD, Inc on Netflix yesterday. More scary stuff about what we eat, mainly US-centric but the same principles apply worldwide, I suspect.

[Halb]

Came across an Alex Jones vid for food this week (yes I know), not watched it yet so I don't really know what it is like. My connexion (patience) can only handle one big vid every few days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMwXlikoFrM

[Halb]

Great interview with Lustig.

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/heresthething/2012/jul/0...

said:

Robert Lustig: Oh, way because there’s no toxic downside. With sugar, Type II diabetes, hypertension, dyslipidemia, gastric bypasses. $147 billion a year down a rat hole for taking care of chronic diseases which don’t need to be. We could balance the budget on that. We wouldn’t need healthcare reform if we had obesity reform and we can’t have obesity reform until we have some sort of sugar policy.

Edited by Halb on Thursday 7th February 10:00

[LordGrover]

Haven't read this topic in a while so apols if repost.
I'm reading Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes - if the claims made stand up it's quite astonishing. Not half way through yet though.

[Halb]

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-02-07/sc...

[Halb]

Article.


Doctors/Scientists..."sugar is bad."

Sugar owner..."Weeeell, the science isn't clear..."



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57407294/is-...

[mattikake]

Sugar (high GI foods) has only recently been proven (press release yesterday!) to be a cause of acne.

Sugar is a real bad boi.

[LordGrover]

... so sugar-cos a bit like tobacco-cos of yesteryear and alcohol-cos of tomorrow?

[oldbanger]

Flibble said:

To clear up something here - you eat a bacon omelette you'll get a nice fat insulin spike. Not as much as eating sugary or starchy foods, but still more than enough to do trigger all the insulin mediated things. Given that hunger and satiety hormones are driven by the same things that drive insulin this is a good thing, if you got no insulin response you wouldn't feel satisfied and would want to eat more. This is the problem with fructose (and by association, sugar) which is partly why it makes you fat.

nope it's leptin release that causes satiety not insulin

[oldbanger]

Flibble said:

To clear up something here - you eat a bacon omelette you'll get a nice fat insulin spike. Not as much as eating sugary or starchy foods, but still more than enough to do trigger all the insulin mediated things. Given that hunger and satiety hormones are driven by the same things that drive insulin this is a good thing, if you got no insulin response you wouldn't feel satisfied and would want to eat more. This is the problem with fructose (and by association, sugar) which is partly why it makes you fat.

nope it's leptin release that causes satiety not insulin

[Flibble]

oldbanger said:

nope it's leptin release that causes satiety not insulin

Old post you're responding to, but insulin release causes leptin release, which in turn affects satiety. I did specify insulin and satiety hormones (i.e. leptin and ghrelin) separately...

[Halb]

Nice 1h10m lecture by Gary Taubes, takes a while to get there, but veeerryy interesticnjk.
Nice history of what was known, and when, that is rather intriguing.
Many things to comment on here, how doctors equate carbs=bad as quackery.

Why We Get Fat


Fun lil animated of vid of why we get fat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj6c4VF3DD8


edit.

Another great chat with Taubes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59YyXpCT1M

Edited by Halb on Friday 1st March 20:23