Wheeler Dealers
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That he richly deserves. I recognise MB has made a huge success of the WD brand; he undoubtedly has a wide knowledge in automotive industry.
However, the latest WD Dream Cars, is flat out BS. Mike, meets owner seeking their dream car, takes existing car and maybe a bit of cash and trades up to their dream car, this involves a bit of spannering/ tidying by ex F1 mechanic Elvis, but the main focus is on MB great trading skills. Sounds good, what’s not like, a petrol head gets their dream car.
Except, many of the deals never happened, so the premise of trading up, is just ……. which rather defeats the objective.
However, the latest WD Dream Cars, is flat out BS. Mike, meets owner seeking their dream car, takes existing car and maybe a bit of cash and trades up to their dream car, this involves a bit of spannering/ tidying by ex F1 mechanic Elvis, but the main focus is on MB great trading skills. Sounds good, what’s not like, a petrol head gets their dream car.
Except, many of the deals never happened, so the premise of trading up, is just ……. which rather defeats the objective.
I think it's a bit unfair on mike, the Above point.
As we all know selling cars is sometimes not a quick process
And it may well take anything from a few days to many months to sell cars!
So to ACTUALLY have the deals take place is not necessarily practical from a filming perspective.
Let's say it takes 3 weeks to sell each car (this is generally not the case it can take much longer), that means that not only will filming be fragmented but 3 deals would take in total 9 weeks for just the sale parts, let alone the bits in between.
It's never been for me a literal expectation that the deals are completely legitimate. I've known since like 2005 or whatever when they'd sell cars to members of the production team etc..
I've always taken it as the spirit of the sale IE here's what the cars are worth / and here's the work done to them / and how much that work cost etc.
Mike has some character about him and of course Ant / Ed / Elvis each bring their own unique style to the mechanic side of it
It should be enjoyed just for that..
Many TV shows employ fakery, some much more , no-one seems to care.
And as I mention about the whole "spirit of the sale" doesn't work when it comes to a TV show..
As we all know selling cars is sometimes not a quick process
And it may well take anything from a few days to many months to sell cars!
So to ACTUALLY have the deals take place is not necessarily practical from a filming perspective.
Let's say it takes 3 weeks to sell each car (this is generally not the case it can take much longer), that means that not only will filming be fragmented but 3 deals would take in total 9 weeks for just the sale parts, let alone the bits in between.
It's never been for me a literal expectation that the deals are completely legitimate. I've known since like 2005 or whatever when they'd sell cars to members of the production team etc..
I've always taken it as the spirit of the sale IE here's what the cars are worth / and here's the work done to them / and how much that work cost etc.
Mike has some character about him and of course Ant / Ed / Elvis each bring their own unique style to the mechanic side of it
It should be enjoyed just for that..
Many TV shows employ fakery, some much more , no-one seems to care.
And as I mention about the whole "spirit of the sale" doesn't work when it comes to a TV show..
xjay1337 said:
I think it's a bit unfair on mike, the Above point.
Got to disagree, and you've missed the point entirely about fakery. WDDC is promoting Mike as the skilled dealer but even without the basic sleuthing many of the deals just appear fantastical.Bottom line is Mike knows he's a spare part in Wheeler Dealers proper and he was trying to build a platform for himself.
On the subject of proper Wheeler Dealers I watched the E46 M3 episode yesterday. Switched it off 2/3rds of the way in when it became obvious that the SMG to manual conversion is not a DIY job as they were suggesting but in fact requires complex machining and access to OBD tools for recoding the transmission.
Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 4th March 13:58
Evercross said:
Got to disagree, and you've missed the point entirely about fakery. WDDC is promoting Mike as the skilled dealer but even without the basic sleuthing many of the deals just appear fantastical.
Bottom line is Mike know's he's a spare part in Wheeler Dealers proper and he was trying to build a platform for himself.
On the subject of proper Wheeler Dealers I watched the E46 M3 episode yesterday. Switched it off 2/3rds of the way in when it became obvious that the SMG to manual conversion is not a DIY job as they were suggesting but in fact requires complex machining and access to OBD tools for recoding the transmission.
Fair enough, we can't always agree.Bottom line is Mike know's he's a spare part in Wheeler Dealers proper and he was trying to build a platform for himself.
On the subject of proper Wheeler Dealers I watched the E46 M3 episode yesterday. Switched it off 2/3rds of the way in when it became obvious that the SMG to manual conversion is not a DIY job as they were suggesting but in fact requires complex machining and access to OBD tools for recoding the transmission.
Regarding SMG conversion, I know of people personally who have done it.
Also plenty of reports online - It doesn't appear to be a hard job as your regular weekend mechanics seem to be able to do the job on their drive way.
Recoding is also not complex in any way.
https://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/smg-to-manu...
I guess it depends what you consider difficult, some of the things I have personally done would be much harder than this conversion and given the correct tools it looks relatively simple.
From what I understand the complexity comes from wanting to use the OEM shifter, everyone I know who has done the conversion uses a Coolerwerx or CAE shifter.
forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/smg-to-manual-conversion-complete-with-pics.150793/
I don't doubt any of the above (and that is coming from someone who managed to get an otherwise written off due to water damaged ECU's E90 back on the road thanks to some second-hand parts and a BDM100 programmer).
The spirit of Wheeler Dealers was absent in that episode IMO. The SMG thing was too specialist and didn't really tell you anything about the intricacies of doing it (these details were deliberately obfuscated).
I wasn't expecting it to be a reference piece but if anyone was thinking of doing the job the last thing they should do is watch that episode. The links above are infinitely more useful.
The spirit of Wheeler Dealers was absent in that episode IMO. The SMG thing was too specialist and didn't really tell you anything about the intricacies of doing it (these details were deliberately obfuscated).
I wasn't expecting it to be a reference piece but if anyone was thinking of doing the job the last thing they should do is watch that episode. The links above are infinitely more useful.
Evercross said:
Got to disagree, and you've missed the point entirely about fakery. WDDC is promoting Mike as the skilled dealer but even without the basic sleuthing many of the deals just appear fantastical.
Bottom line is Mike knows he's a spare part in Wheeler Dealers proper and he was trying to build a platform for himself.
On the subject of proper Wheeler Dealers I watched the E46 M3 episode yesterday. Switched it off 2/3rds of the way in when it became obvious that the SMG to manual conversion is not a DIY job as they were suggesting but in fact requires complex machining and access to OBD tools for recoding the transmission.
Was the machining necessary to use the SMG bellhousing with a manual clutch? If so, presumably there is the option to just use the factory manual bellhousing.Bottom line is Mike knows he's a spare part in Wheeler Dealers proper and he was trying to build a platform for himself.
On the subject of proper Wheeler Dealers I watched the E46 M3 episode yesterday. Switched it off 2/3rds of the way in when it became obvious that the SMG to manual conversion is not a DIY job as they were suggesting but in fact requires complex machining and access to OBD tools for recoding the transmission.
Evercross said:
I don't doubt any of the above (and that is coming from someone who managed to get an otherwise written off due to water damaged ECU's E90 back on the road thanks to some second-hand parts and a BDM100 programmer).
The spirit of Wheeler Dealers was absent in that episode IMO. The SMG thing was too specialist and didn't really tell you anything about the intricacies of doing it (these details were deliberately obfuscated).
I wasn't expecting it to be a reference piece but if anyone was thinking of doing the job the last thing they should do is watch that episode. The links above are infinitely more useful.
I don't think anyone who would take on a task would ever even think to consult wheeler dealers...The spirit of Wheeler Dealers was absent in that episode IMO. The SMG thing was too specialist and didn't really tell you anything about the intricacies of doing it (these details were deliberately obfuscated).
I wasn't expecting it to be a reference piece but if anyone was thinking of doing the job the last thing they should do is watch that episode. The links above are infinitely more useful.
Honestly nothing about the SMG to manual conversion is in any way 'specialist' when it comes to car modifications.
Unfortunately however I havent seen this particular episode as i forgot to put it on record :-(
Pericoloso said:
xjay1337 said:
Unfortunately however I havent seen this particular episode as i forgot to put it on record :-(
Us Freeview users have only just seen the Escort RS Cosworth and the 3rd wing episode.
t. They get the original designer of the Cossie to draw a third wing, they then prototype it, test it in a wind tunnel, then get it made properly out of fibreglass. The whole thing would have cost thousands more than they factored in.Then in usual WD fashion they sell it back to the original owner.
Pericoloso said:
It'll be on Quest in about 2024.
Us Freeview users have only just seen the Escort RS Cosworth and the 3rd wing episode.
It was enough to confirm to me, Wheeler dealers is long past its sell by date. It was iffy for last two Ed series really, Ant was the finishing touch. Us Freeview users have only just seen the Escort RS Cosworth and the 3rd wing episode.
Pericoloso said:
xjay1337 said:
Unfortunately however I havent seen this particular episode as i forgot to put it on record :-(
Us Freeview users have only just seen the Escort RS Cosworth and the 3rd wing episode.
xjay1337 said:
Evercross said:
I don't doubt any of the above (and that is coming from someone who managed to get an otherwise written off due to water damaged ECU's E90 back on the road thanks to some second-hand parts and a BDM100 programmer).
The spirit of Wheeler Dealers was absent in that episode IMO. The SMG thing was too specialist and didn't really tell you anything about the intricacies of doing it (these details were deliberately obfuscated).
I wasn't expecting it to be a reference piece but if anyone was thinking of doing the job the last thing they should do is watch that episode. The links above are infinitely more useful.
I don't think anyone who would take on a task would ever even think to consult wheeler dealers...The spirit of Wheeler Dealers was absent in that episode IMO. The SMG thing was too specialist and didn't really tell you anything about the intricacies of doing it (these details were deliberately obfuscated).
I wasn't expecting it to be a reference piece but if anyone was thinking of doing the job the last thing they should do is watch that episode. The links above are infinitely more useful.
Honestly nothing about the SMG to manual conversion is in any way 'specialist' when it comes to car modifications.
Vickers_VC10 said:
So now it's in quest finally caught one of the Ant episodes.
Basically here is a car, I did this to fix it. Don't show Ant doing the fix, sell car. It is so dumbed down it's beggars belief.
Total horse st. I do love Mike's Facebook posts of him announcing how nice it is for him to block the haters, or in English. I don't want to hear critical feedback la la la la I'm perfect.
In general Ant is shown to do more work than Ed ever didBasically here is a car, I did this to fix it. Don't show Ant doing the fix, sell car. It is so dumbed down it's beggars belief.
Total horse s
t. I do love Mike's Facebook posts of him announcing how nice it is for him to block the haters, or in English. I don't want to hear critical feedback la la la la I'm perfect. Edited by Vickers_VC10 on Tuesday 3rd March 09:42
Watching the Volvo Amazon episode just now, was I seeing things or did they just do a blue screen shot of Ant pretending to drive or was it a fixed camera on the bonnet filming him through the windscreen?
Also looked very close to taking the roof off when he shot through the doors and Mike had barely opened them high enough.
Also looked very close to taking the roof off when he shot through the doors and Mike had barely opened them high enough.
Mcphisto said:
Watching the Volvo Amazon episode just now, was I seeing things or did they just do a blue screen shot of Ant pretending to drive or was it a fixed camera on the bonnet filming him through the windscreen?
Also looked very close to taking the roof off when he shot through the doors and Mike had barely opened them high enough.
The scenes with Ant driving the Volvo didnt look right. It looked like an old 50's movie with the background being filmed on a screen behind the car.Also looked very close to taking the roof off when he shot through the doors and Mike had barely opened them high enough.
I want to reply to this thread, but I can only do so if I write something in addition to the below observation. Otherwise, I just get "403 Forbidden".
My observation is:
"Get this! For the whole job so far, I've only used three spanners and a pair of pliers."
And a flaring tool and a pipe bender.
My observation is:
"Get this! For the whole job so far, I've only used three spanners and a pair of pliers."
And a flaring tool and a pipe bender.
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