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Mistrale said:
Someone is telling porky pies......who do you trust?
I've said this a few times before - only one of them has put their version in print, and if it wasn't true that would leave them and the publishers open to legal action.Go figure.
Mistrale][Brewer said:
kept blowing his trumpet saying he invented the Genre, was repeatedly headhunted by BBC for Top Gear etc..
Kind of ironic considering one of the two of them actually appeared on an episode of Top Gear, plus did several consultancy jobs for them (with production credits), and it wasn't Mike.......Edited by Evercross on Thursday 11th June 21:32
Evercross said:
I've said this a few times before - only one of them has put their version in print, and if it wasn't true that would leave them and the publishers open to legal action.
Go figure.
Indeed. I was just about to post that. Edd has it down in print so it is libel if it is false. Go figure.
Mistrale said:
Someone is telling porky pies......who do you trust?
Not Brewer, he's a used car salesman after all 
I'm sure the move to USA and the very different direction of the producers wanting to go wasn't what Edd wanted to do. Brewer probably saw it as his 'big break into USA tv', so had the hump with Edd for rocking 'his' boat.
I'm sure Edd isn't squeaky clean in this but looking at the new show format, I can understand Edd walking away. You can see there's friction in the last series Edd did in the USA, so he clearly wasn't happy.
I don't dislike Ant and what he does, but the show is now a USA show, for a USA audience.
aeropilot said:
I'm sure Edd isn't squeaky clean in this but looking at the new show format, I can understand Edd walking away. You can see there's friction in the last series Edd did in the USA, so he clearly wasn't happy.
With hindsight Edd's prickliness in his last WD series can be put down to effect rather than cause. He was being pushed out but probably didn't quite realise it at the time.Plus you can tell that Mike is making things up and changing his story as he goes along - for example there is no way Ant was recruited 5 months after Edd left because (a) Edd contradicts this in his book (and as everyone has said, if that ain't true then Mike could sue) stating that Mike already knew he was being replaced when the last episode of series 13 finished filming and (b) it would have meant that series 14 was filmed and edited in just over 6 weeks because Edd announced his departure from the show on 21st March 2017 (which according to his book was less than two days after the production company breached his contract) and the first episode with Ant in it aired on 5th October of the same year.
Ant wouldn't have started work on the show until nearly the beginning of September according to Mike's timetable.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 11th June 23:58
Weirdly I was talking to a sound engineer that worked on the show just the other day. He said it was amazing what was said when he was not on camera but still being picked up by the sound boom. Apparently it wasn’t being recorded but if it had been it would have been explosive to say the least.
elanfan said:
Weirdly I was talking to a sound engineer that worked on the show just the other day. He said it was amazing what was said when he was not on camera but still being picked up by the sound boom. Apparently it wasn’t being recorded but if it had been it would have been explosive to say the least.
That was helpful. 
What was said?
Mike and Edd were having an affair?
Edd was smuggling drugs in the sills?
Mike was better at welding than Edd?
Edd can't read?
What, man?!
Mistrale said:
I’ve just seen the interview with Mike Brewer on YouTube where he talks about Edd China for the first time. Says Edd was getting very angry with the way the show was produced and accuses him of not wanting to put the hours in, and thinking he was bigger than the show. Says it was 5 months later that they recruited Ant Anstead.
Kept blowing his trumpet saying he invented the Genre, was repeatedly headhunted by BBC for Top Gear etc..
This is diametrically opposed to what Edd says in his book - I.e. number of shows halved (and therefore pay halved ) and that he was told Ant had been recruited to replace him before he left. The only thing that they agree on is that Edd disagreed with the production values/methods of the new producers.....
Someone is telling porky pies......who do you trust?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI0va6ftqe8
To be honest it's probably a bit of both - Edd has tried to do some new formats of his own and failed, hasn't really been on the TV much lately. I have a feeling that he didn't want to work as hard as Mike given it's Mike's brand and format.Kept blowing his trumpet saying he invented the Genre, was repeatedly headhunted by BBC for Top Gear etc..
This is diametrically opposed to what Edd says in his book - I.e. number of shows halved (and therefore pay halved ) and that he was told Ant had been recruited to replace him before he left. The only thing that they agree on is that Edd disagreed with the production values/methods of the new producers.....
Someone is telling porky pies......who do you trust?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI0va6ftqe8
Maybe some animosity for shipping him off to the USA etc.
And Mike perhaps undervalued Edd's input and values.
xjay1337 said:
I have a feeling that he didn't want to work as hard as Mike/
That impression has stuck because it is what Mike said from the off when he was already plotting to get rid of Edd. Nothing like a bit of mud-slinging and getting your retaliation in first. I really don't think anyone could sincerely accuse Edd of being work-shy.xjay1337 said:
given it's Mike's brand and format.
Again, a false impression given out by Mike. The rights to the show were co-owned at the time they sold it to Velocity, plus Edd owned outright the UK location for the show (another big factor in Mike/Velocity wanting him out). Edd could have stalled production of the show by tying it up in legal knots when Velocity/Motor Trend breached his contract but instead he chose to walk away, IMO the better man for it but he obviously does not possess the killer business instinct of his erstwhile partner.Edited by Evercross on Friday 12th June 11:22
Evercross said:
plus Edd owned outright the UK location for the show (another big factor in Mike/Velocity wanting him out). Edd could have stalled production of the show by tying it up in legal knots when Velocity/Motor Trend breached his contract but instead he chose to walk away, IMO the better man for it but he obviously does not possess the killer business instinct of his erstwhile partner.
From the rumours I've heard locally regarding that location used for filming, in regards other uses, it sounds like Edd is certainly in possession of a killer business instinct.sgtBerbatov said:
TheAngryDog said:
Christ he's pathetic. "I don't do bugger all! I sit on my arse on eBay trying to buy cars!"
V8covin said:
I must be the only person on pistonheads who doesn't get the Ed love in
Not so much a love-in as sticking up for him against the 'straight and true and honest as the day is long' Mike Brewer.Ed has never dumped on his former partner's reputation (and even stood up for him when social media trolls were sending death threats), yet despite having got what he wanted Mike still doesn't miss an opportunity to crap on his old pal.
Ironic thing is I reckon if Mike and his new American buddies had just played with a straight bat and offered to buy Ed out, or continued to split the series into two halves filmed in US and UK with Ant doing the US ones he would probably have gone for it, plus I reckon it would be a better audience experience with a wider appeal that the formulaic dross the show has descended into.
Edited by Evercross on Friday 12th June 12:26
Evercross said:
Ed has never dumped on his former partner's reputation (and even stood up for him when social media trolls were sending death threats), yet despite having got what he wanted Mike still doesn't miss an opportunity to crap on his old pal.
I suspect that they were never really 'pals' in any real sense of the word, they just worked together, like so many other people do for years, but that's as far as the 'relationships' ever go.Evercross said:
xjay1337 said:
I have a feeling that he didn't want to work as hard as Mike/
That impression has stuck because it is what Mike said from the off when he was already plotting to get rid of Edd. Nothing like a bit of mud-slinging and getting your retaliation in first. I really don't think anyone could sincerely accuse Edd of being work-shy.xjay1337 said:
given it's Mike's brand and format.
Again, a false impression given out by Mike. The rights to the show were co-owned at the time they sold it to Velocity, plus Edd owned outright the UK location for the show (another big factor in Mike/Velocity wanting him out). Edd could have stalled production of the show by tying it up in legal knots when Velocity/Motor Trend breached his contract but instead he chose to walk away, IMO the better man for it but he obviously does not possess the killer business instinct of his erstwhile partner.Edited by Evercross on Friday 12th June 11:22
xjay1337 said:
It's not based on what Ed or Mike has said, it's just a feeling I get.
If you agree with Mike that Edd should have done 100% of the spannering, do you think Mike should do 100% of the research, viewing all potential car candidates, pre-purchase due diligence, buying, and selling (including personally placing the adverts)? Cos I bet he doesn't.Mike is a self-aggrandizing hypocrite in my opinion.
Evercross said:
That was exactly my point. Mike has misrepresented the situation to give you that feeling.
When you have two sides, one of which never alters their story, and the other whose story is inconsistent and goes through several often conflicting versions, and who can't seem to settle on one story, and is very aggressive in arguing with anyone who calls them out over their inconsistencies, you can generally tell who is more likely to be telling the truth.
That's just a feeling I get.
Doofus said:
elanfan said:
Weirdly I was talking to a sound engineer that worked on the show just the other day. He said it was amazing what was said when he was not on camera but still being picked up by the sound boom. Apparently it wasn’t being recorded but if it had been it would have been explosive to say the least.
That was helpful. What was said?
Mike and Edd were having an affair?
Edd was smuggling drugs in the sills?
Mike was better at welding than Edd?
Edd can't read?
What, man?!
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