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Battlestar Galactica - ended 1979. Reboot had 2 key characters recast as female.
Macgyver - ended 1992. Reboot has Macgyver's boss Thornton recast as female.
No issue with the above.
The issue is Auntie Beeb wanting to hit some lesbian/ equality/ disability targets - and tampering with stuff.
The Top Gear episode with Clarkson in the Peel car is pretty much on the money.
Ditto with James Bond.
From his ancestral home in Scotland - from a long line of Bond's ( his mum was Swiss IIRC ) - he is a white male who likes a drink and women.
Recasting him as a black bald guy, is just pandering to the equality PC nonsense.
John Shaft is black. Recasting him as "Who's that Private Dick who prays to Allah 5 times a day.......... Shaft!" is equally as much arse gravy.
For those old enough....
When Miss Ellie in Dallas was recast - do you think it ever crossed the studio's mind to cast
1/ Muslim lady in full regalia?
2/ Japanese Giesha?
3/ Dwarf?
4/ Trans-sexual lingerie model?
5/ A Eunuch?
6/ Siamese Twins?
7/ A 40 year old bloke from Auckland?
I am sure the new lady Doctor will make a decent fist of it.
Just wish the lefties in Auntie would stop the PC s
te.
Macgyver - ended 1992. Reboot has Macgyver's boss Thornton recast as female.
No issue with the above.
The issue is Auntie Beeb wanting to hit some lesbian/ equality/ disability targets - and tampering with stuff.
The Top Gear episode with Clarkson in the Peel car is pretty much on the money.
Ditto with James Bond.
From his ancestral home in Scotland - from a long line of Bond's ( his mum was Swiss IIRC ) - he is a white male who likes a drink and women.
Recasting him as a black bald guy, is just pandering to the equality PC nonsense.
John Shaft is black. Recasting him as "Who's that Private Dick who prays to Allah 5 times a day.......... Shaft!" is equally as much arse gravy.
For those old enough....
When Miss Ellie in Dallas was recast - do you think it ever crossed the studio's mind to cast
1/ Muslim lady in full regalia?
2/ Japanese Giesha?
3/ Dwarf?
4/ Trans-sexual lingerie model?
5/ A Eunuch?
6/ Siamese Twins?
7/ A 40 year old bloke from Auckland?
I am sure the new lady Doctor will make a decent fist of it.
Just wish the lefties in Auntie would stop the PC s
te.Troubleatmill said:
The issue is Auntie Beeb wanting to hit some lesbian/ equality/ disability targets - and tampering with stuff.
At a risk of repeating myself, you have an alien who regularly regenerates into a completely different person, with different age, height, weight, build, regional accent, and mannerisms, yet always seems to come out as a white male. Why *wouldn't* you take the opportunity to make the next one female? Or black? It's not exactly tampering with stuff - it's completely within canon.
Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Tuesday 18th July 22:53
grumbledoak said:
In their heads they are "fighting the good fight", bless 'em. This is just a particularly negative "win".
Oh well, good luck to her. She'll have one more use for that screwdriver than the previous Doctors.
Pretty positive at my end. Oh well, good luck to her. She'll have one more use for that screwdriver than the previous Doctors.
If the amount of people that had a tantrum and "will never watch Dr Who again" every time a new Doctor was announced had actually watched the show in the first place it would have been the highest rating TV show ever.
Troubleatmill said:
Ditto with James Bond.
From his ancestral home in Scotland - from a long line of Bond's ( his mum was Swiss IIRC ) - he is a white male who likes a drink and women.
If you want to play the realism card, James Bond is a functioning alcoholic who would have been kicked out of the security services a long time ago, wouldn't that make for a great film?From his ancestral home in Scotland - from a long line of Bond's ( his mum was Swiss IIRC ) - he is a white male who likes a drink and women.
northwest monkey said:
Having never been a massive fan of Dr Who (I'm 44 and the only thing I used to like about it when I was a kid was K9), I don't get what the hubbub is about the next Dr being a woman.
In a nutshell, can someone explain what the problem is?
The previous 12 and John Hurt were men. Jodie Whittaker isn't a man.In a nutshell, can someone explain what the problem is?
Meanwhile...
Edited by ajprice on Wednesday 19th July 07:51
Troubleatmill said:
The issue is Auntie Beeb wanting to hit some lesbian/ equality/ disability targets - and tampering with stuff.
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I don't get why people find it so hard to understand. The difference between James Bond, Dallas, Miss Marple and Doctor Who is that only the latter established early on that the same 'person' with the same history could be played by a series of actors who had next to nothing in common - old, young, Scottish, Southern. Each new actor isn't "rebooting" the series, it's a continuation of the same story. The Doctor is allowed to change every physical attribute, including personality at each regeneration without undoing all the story that's already happened. It's one continuous story where an alien is able to change appearance, not a 'reboot' or start over..
So why people are confused over River Song is beyond me - you watched the series enough to know about her, but can't understand that if the Doctor now becomes female, they were still male when they met River? Regeneration not reboot.
That said, the series has had a couple of 'reboots' - in as much as the style of the writing and filming have undergone healthy overhauls - without changing the existing story, and we're expecting Chibnall to do the same. That's no bad thing. After fifty years of telling stories based on the character, sometimes a fresh approach is needed to avoid things getting stale.
But on the whole the comparisons with James Bond are nonsense. Each time a new actor has played him, it's a fresh role - Bond doesn't suddenly break off and say "I really used to like being Scottish". Someone could choose to reboot the series with a black female actor, but she'd be playing the role as having always been black and female. Yes, that would be very silly.
Half of me wants the new series to make no note or reference to the change until half way through the run, when she suddenly goes, "Wait, what? I'm female?! I didn't notice!" and then deadpans to the camera for a moment.
Tuna said:
Half of me wants the new series to make no note or reference to the change until half way through the run, when she suddenly goes, "Wait, what? I'm female?! I didn't notice!" and then deadpans to the camera for a moment.
It's exactly that sort of humour that will kill it IMO.Just look at the predictions people make for the type of jokes that would be present in the new 'all female' Ghostbusters - pretty much all of them were bang on the money.
That's why Battlestar Galactica worked - it didn't contain any tit for tat gender jokes. Same with movies like Alien. It really felt like gender was pretty much irrelevant within those settings.
That's how Dr Who should play it too......if we're really meant to believe it doesn't matter (certainly from the Doctor's perspective).
Tuna said:
I don't get why people find it so hard to understand. The difference between James Bond, Dallas, Miss Marple and Doctor Who is that only the latter established early on that the same 'person' with the same history could be played by a series of actors who had next to nothing in common - old, young, Scottish, Southern.
So this never happened in James Bond then, no different actors with differing accents and appearance? Tuna said:
But on the whole the comparisons with James Bond are nonsense. Each time a new actor has played him, it's a fresh role - Bond doesn't
Someone could choose to reboot the series with a black female actor, but she'd be playing the role as having always been black and female. Yes, that would be very silly.
Whereas the Doctor has always been of varied gender for the last 50 odd years. Oh wait...Someone could choose to reboot the series with a black female actor, but she'd be playing the role as having always been black and female. Yes, that would be very silly.
Tuna said:
Half of me wants the new series to make no note or reference to the change until half way through the run, when she suddenly goes, "Wait, what? I'm female?! I didn't notice!" and then deadpans to the camera for a moment.
Yes because Dr Who is just beggin for this sort of cliched, humourless ste.Mr2Mike said:
So this never happened in James Bond then, no different actors with differing accents and appearance? When the Hulk turns green, it's not a reboot of the film
Alex said:
Tuna said:
Bond doesn't suddenly break off and say "I really used to like being Scottish".
George Lazenby did break the fourth wall and say "This never happened to the other guy."Mr2Mike said:
Tuna said:
I don't get why people find it so hard to understand. The difference between James Bond, Dallas, Miss Marple and Doctor Who is that only the latter established early on that the same 'person' with the same history could be played by a series of actors who had next to nothing in common - old, young, Scottish, Southern.
So this never happened in James Bond then, no different actors with differing accents and appearance? In all other series, different actors have played the same role. As part of Willing the Suspension of Disbelief, we are all complicit in pretending that it is the same character. When Miss Ellie in Dallas was played by a new actress, we didn't all go "Oh! Did she get extensive plastic surgery? They didn't mention that in the story"... instead we all went along with the deceit that she had always looked like the new actress.
Dr Who is the only show I know that specifically acknowledges changes in actors by having it part of the story - regenerating into a completely different person. We can even have little gags like "hmm, still not ginger" because the idea of regeneration is so much part of the story.
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