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ClockworkCupcake said:
... a whole fan theory that "James Bond" is a code name assigned to an agent, and that the different actors who have played Bond really are different people.
I don't find anything wrong with that personally. After all, the alternative is that he really is the same person all the time; given that the first Bond film came out in 1962, he'd be nearly 90 by now.Evangelion said:
I don't find anything wrong with that personally. After all, the alternative is that he really is the same person all the time; given that the first Bond film came out in 1962, he'd be nearly 90 by now.
The other alternative is that each change in actor is essentially a contemporary reboot of the franchise - so the timeline is linear within any given actors tenure - but upon change of actor - the clock is reset.It can't just be a codename - otherwise Bond's childhood backstory wouldn't work (unless that is also part of the cover).
Moonhawk said:
The other alternative is that each change in actor is essentially a contemporary reboot of the franchise - so the timeline is linear within any given actors tenure - but upon change of actor - the clock is reset.
It can't just be a codename - otherwise Bond's childhood backstory wouldn't work (unless that is also part of the cover).
Is there much in the way of childhood backstory outside the Daniel Craig ones?It can't just be a codename - otherwise Bond's childhood backstory wouldn't work (unless that is also part of the cover).
The Bond thing has thrown up some oddities recently
The Aston in Skyfall being the same one from the 60s
I would write an explanation that enabled the time periods to be reconciled but fan fiction isn't welcomed or as well recognised in the Bond hemisphere as it is in the Whooniverse.
Personally I find some of the Bond societies to be a bit nerdy and full of obsessed types. Not like the Whooniverse people I have encountered
The Aston in Skyfall being the same one from the 60s
I would write an explanation that enabled the time periods to be reconciled but fan fiction isn't welcomed or as well recognised in the Bond hemisphere as it is in the Whooniverse.
Personally I find some of the Bond societies to be a bit nerdy and full of obsessed types. Not like the Whooniverse people I have encountered
Apologies if it's been posted before, but Dr Who nearly became a Time Lady back in the 1980's ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doct... ) .
rscott said:
Apologies if it's been posted before, but Dr Who nearly became a Time Lady back in the 1980's ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doct... ) .
Interesting stuff - thanks for posting that. 
And of course let's not forget that Joanna Lumley did in fact play The Doctor, very briefly, in the non-canon Comic Relief episode.
I think this whole Bond thing has shown how people can think far too much about films.
The simple, and I think correct, answer is that the Broccolis give significantly less of a s
t about continuity than the fans. They just want to keep the profitable film franchise bouncing along as actors progressively get too old, or want to do something else. It's just a character - doing a thing. Some stories link in - many don't. They have had a bash at it with the Craig era re-boot in fairness. Things like the Aston are just to make the arm chair fans go *ooooh clap clap clap how exciting*
I think Marvel and GoT and the like have spoiled people a bit - and they spend far too much energy into trying to find theories and 'story-arcs' in carefully crafted universes and forget that these are just action films that someone is trying to flog.
The simple, and I think correct, answer is that the Broccolis give significantly less of a s
t about continuity than the fans. They just want to keep the profitable film franchise bouncing along as actors progressively get too old, or want to do something else. It's just a character - doing a thing. Some stories link in - many don't. They have had a bash at it with the Craig era re-boot in fairness. Things like the Aston are just to make the arm chair fans go *ooooh clap clap clap how exciting*I think Marvel and GoT and the like have spoiled people a bit - and they spend far too much energy into trying to find theories and 'story-arcs' in carefully crafted universes and forget that these are just action films that someone is trying to flog.
techiedave said:
The Bond thing has thrown up some oddities recently
The Aston in Skyfall being the same one from the 60s
I would write an explanation that enabled the time periods to be reconciled but fan fiction isn't welcomed or as well recognised in the Bond hemisphere as it is in the Whooniverse.
Personally I find some of the Bond societies to be a bit nerdy and full of obsessed types. Not like the Whooniverse people I have encountered
MooreBond lays flowers on his wife's grave - but she was married to LazenbyBond.The Aston in Skyfall being the same one from the 60s
I would write an explanation that enabled the time periods to be reconciled but fan fiction isn't welcomed or as well recognised in the Bond hemisphere as it is in the Whooniverse.
Personally I find some of the Bond societies to be a bit nerdy and full of obsessed types. Not like the Whooniverse people I have encountered
CraigBond wins the Aston Martin in a bet - but that car was provided to ConneryBond.
So the 'JB as code name' device doesn't work any better than continuity does.
Vocal Minority said:
I think this whole Bond thing has shown how people can think far too much about films.
The simple, and I think correct, answer is that the Broccolis give significantly less of a st about continuity than the fans. They just want to keep the profitable film franchise bouncing along as actors progressively get too old, or want to do something else. It's just a character - doing a thing. Some stories link in - many don't. They have had a bash at it with the Craig era re-boot in fairness. Things like the Aston are just to make the arm chair fans go *ooooh clap clap clap how exciting*
I think Marvel and GoT and the like have spoiled people a bit - and they spend far too much energy into trying to find theories and 'story-arcs' in carefully crafted universes and forget that these are just action films that someone is trying to flog.
This. It is SO fThe simple, and I think correct, answer is that the Broccolis give significantly less of a s
t about continuity than the fans. They just want to keep the profitable film franchise bouncing along as actors progressively get too old, or want to do something else. It's just a character - doing a thing. Some stories link in - many don't. They have had a bash at it with the Craig era re-boot in fairness. Things like the Aston are just to make the arm chair fans go *ooooh clap clap clap how exciting*I think Marvel and GoT and the like have spoiled people a bit - and they spend far too much energy into trying to find theories and 'story-arcs' in carefully crafted universes and forget that these are just action films that someone is trying to flog.
king tedious. Everything now has to be part of a wider story-arc. We can't just have baddie-of-the-week type adventures that you could happily watch out of sequence because the Internet DEMANDS ever deeper backstories and retrospective filling in of things that ultimately don't bear close scrutiny. The Alien films get progressively worse as they try and fill in the blanks (I know the second was good but the original is a better film IMO) and Bond is sliding into it's own a
hole with the SPECTRE storyline - what, you killed your dad and then became a super criminal, masterminding the compound misery of your adopted brother for his entire adult life because you were jealous?? Why?? - where the old ones used to just have a baddie, a vague story and lots of good set pieces. Even the recurring Blofeld was a McGuffin, rather than a critical plot point.The one point of note is that the literary Bond has an actual backstory so as long s the films stay within the parameters of that, I don't really care.
How a regenerating alien can't be a woman is beyond me.
Disastrous said:
Vocal Minority said:
I think this whole Bond thing has shown how people can think far too much about films.
The simple, and I think correct, answer is that the Broccolis give significantly less of a st about continuity than the fans. They just want to keep the profitable film franchise bouncing along as actors progressively get too old, or want to do something else. It's just a character - doing a thing. Some stories link in - many don't. They have had a bash at it with the Craig era re-boot in fairness. Things like the Aston are just to make the arm chair fans go *ooooh clap clap clap how exciting*
I think Marvel and GoT and the like have spoiled people a bit - and they spend far too much energy into trying to find theories and 'story-arcs' in carefully crafted universes and forget that these are just action films that someone is trying to flog.
This. It is SO fThe simple, and I think correct, answer is that the Broccolis give significantly less of a s
t about continuity than the fans. They just want to keep the profitable film franchise bouncing along as actors progressively get too old, or want to do something else. It's just a character - doing a thing. Some stories link in - many don't. They have had a bash at it with the Craig era re-boot in fairness. Things like the Aston are just to make the arm chair fans go *ooooh clap clap clap how exciting*I think Marvel and GoT and the like have spoiled people a bit - and they spend far too much energy into trying to find theories and 'story-arcs' in carefully crafted universes and forget that these are just action films that someone is trying to flog.
king tedious. Everything now has to be part of a wider story-arc. We can't just have baddie-of-the-week type adventures that you could happily watch out of sequence because the Internet DEMANDS ever deeper backstories and retrospective filling in of things that ultimately don't bear close scrutiny. The Alien films get progressively worse as they try and fill in the blanks (I know the second was good but the original is a better film IMO) and Bond is sliding into it's own a
hole with the SPECTRE storyline - what, you killed your dad and then became a super criminal, masterminding the compound misery of your adopted brother for his entire adult life because you were jealous?? Why?? - where the old ones used to just have a baddie, a vague story and lots of good set pieces. Even the recurring Blofeld was a McGuffin, rather than a critical plot point.The one point of note is that the literary Bond has an actual backstory so as long s the films stay within the parameters of that, I don't really care.
How a regenerating alien can't be a woman is beyond me.
Disastrous said:
This. It is SO fking tedious ....
... [lots of good sense] ...
... How a regenerating alien can't be a woman is beyond me.
Absolutely agree. I've even seen fora where that sort of bking tedious ....... [lots of good sense] ...
... How a regenerating alien can't be a woman is beyond me.
ks was spouted about Thunderbirds. For heavens sake! The reason there were inconsistencies in it, is because the writers didn't give a st. It's rubbish for kids - so who cares?Evangelion said:
It's rubbish for kids - so who cares?
Depends on what level you care.You should care that children are being insidiously brainwashed with a particular ideology.
It isn't the BBC's job to decide what is and isn't socially acceptable, or what social values should be.
It has overstepped the mark, repeatedly, from reflecting society, to moulding society.
Mr GrimNasty said:
You should care that children are being insidiously brainwashed with a particular ideology.
But do many kids watch the show and really believe there are aliens with 2 hearts who fly around in a box that's bigger on the inside and can regenerate a new body if they're killed? I'm guessing they probably know it's not real.Evangelion said:
Absolutely agree. I've even seen fora where that sort of bks was spouted about Thunderbirds. For heavens sake! The reason there were inconsistencies in it, is because the writers didn't give a st. It's rubbish for kids - so who cares?
As with everything in life, The Simpsons have seen this and recognised it is a real issue..ks was spouted about Thunderbirds. For heavens sake! The reason there were inconsistencies in it, is because the writers didn't give a st. It's rubbish for kids - so who cares?https://youtu.be/Tfy-DSuc_Kk
Mr GrimNasty said:
You should care that children are being insidiously brainwashed with a particular ideology.
They're being brainwashed into thinking that gender isn't a barrier to what they want to be in life? That's terrible! They'll be giving women the vote next! You'll be telling me next that only men should be doctors and that women should stick to being nurses.
HairyPoppins said:
Vocal Minority said:
So?
It does happen in real life y'know.....
Of course I know, it's in almost every tv show, how can you NOT know.It does happen in real life y'know.....
Or you are just caught in a PC-phobic fever dream and your imagination is running away with you......
ClockworkCupcake said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
You should care that children are being insidiously brainwashed with a particular ideology.
They're being brainwashed into thinking that gender isn't a barrier to what they want to be in life? That's terrible! They'll be giving women the vote next! You'll be telling me next that only men should be doctors and that women should stick to being nurses.
The Doctor taking on female form may be a bit inconsistent, but it's hardly an 'insidious ideology' to suggest that someone in female form is no less capable of flying around in a time machine shaped like a long lost piece of street furniture than the same person in male form...!
Mr GrimNasty - Do you have a daughter at all? Do you tell her she'll never be able to be as good as the boys? If you do, I suspect, like most parents you'd hope she can achieve as much as she wants (and the same for your sons if you have any - I have one offspring of each biblically recognised gender to be totally balanced
) If she wants to be F1 World Champion or the next Bill Gates or the first ambassador to the first inhabited planet we contact, I'm sure you'd hope she could and wouldn't have to pass on the opportunity due to someone saying "But it's never been a girl before!".People have got FAR too over excited about this.
There's only one question that really matters, will she be any good?
We'll have to wait and see on that count...
M.
Edited by marcosgt on Wednesday 19th July 17:02
marcosgt said:
I'd have to agree.
The Doctor taking on female form may be a bit inconsistent, but it's hardly an 'insidious ideology' to suggest that someone in female form is less capable of flying around in a time machine shaped like a long lost piece of street furniture than the some person in male form...!
People have got FAR too over excited about this.
There's only one question that really matters, will she be any good?
We'll have to wait and see on that count...
M.
Exactly this. The Doctor taking on female form may be a bit inconsistent, but it's hardly an 'insidious ideology' to suggest that someone in female form is less capable of flying around in a time machine shaped like a long lost piece of street furniture than the some person in male form...!
People have got FAR too over excited about this.
There's only one question that really matters, will she be any good?
We'll have to wait and see on that count...
M.
If she isn't any good, or the episodes are not written very well, then the viewings will drop off and they'll need to change something to improve it.
The female Ghostbuster movie wasn't bad because of the women in it, it was bad because of how lazy the writing was that made them being women the butt of most of the jokes, which many people feared in advance and were proved correct.
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