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[Gavia]

defblade said:

Moonhawk said:

ash73 said:

Trailer does look a bit crap, and I don't like her outfit. Time will tell, anyhow.

I think her accent is going to grate.

Edit: ^snap

Is it just me, or does she sound (and even look) exactly like Jane Horrocks?

...actually, maybe JH would have been a good call? She managed to make Bubble seem like she was from a different planet, and AbFAb isn't even SF

As has already been said a lot of planets have a north. Not sure why you think accents should matter that much, but for info Jane Horrocks is from Rawtenstall in the Rossendale Valley in Lancashire, JW is from Huddersfield in Yorkshire. Whilst not a million miles away from each other geographically, it’s like comparing a West Sussex accent to an Essex one. They sound very different if you live in / around the area.

I’m looking forward to this series, they seem to be a bit too far apart IMO timewise, as they don’t happen every 12months.

[Zad]

The trailers are a bit underwhelming aren't they? I think we are used to intriguing and mysterious clips, packed full of things to decode. The two I have seen just seem a bit simplistic. I'm really not convinced by the costume either, too much of Colin Baker's clothing style, and mixing up all the other doctors just makes me think that they couldn't come up with a distinctive new style for Jodie.

Accent. Well, here's an odd thing. I just checked and Jodie was born and brought up 11 miles from me. And my first thought when I heard here was "she sounds like Bubble, I thought she was from Yorkshire?". She has a rhotic 'r' which is classic Lancastrian, and the way she says "incleuwsion" is definitely West of Pennines. Almost like an accent you'd expect from someone who was told to go a generic Northern accent, but didn't realise that Yorkshire and Lancashire (and Manchester, Liverpool, Carlisle, Newcastle...) are very different. Mandip Gill, on the other hand, has a classic Leeds accent.

[Halb]

JUst listened to the trailer, 'lets be friends?' or something. She sounds normal to me, doesn't like sound like Bubble at all, wasn't able to pick up on the 'r'. She doesn't sound like some poncey southern tt, which is a blessing.

[Silver Smudger]

Moonhawk said:

I wonder how people would react if a character like Lara Croft, Ellen Ripley or Catniss Everdeen were recast as a man.

Alien's Ripley is an interesting example. She has long been held up as an unusual, strong female lead (and inspired the Bechdel test) because it really doesn't matter to the story if she, or anyone in the crew, is male or female -

In developing the story, O'Bannon had focused on writing the Alien first, putting off developing the other characters. He and Shusett had intentionally written all the roles generically: they made a note in the script that explicitly states "The crew is unisex and all parts are interchangeable for men or women."

[Moonhawk]

Silver Smudger said:

and inspired the Bechdel test)

Which Alien actually fails if you take deleted scenes into account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDu78p3h6JE

[Halb]

Moonhawk said:

Which Alien actually fails if you take deleted scenes into account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDu78p3h6JE

inclusion of a scene where a man is a topic negates other scenes?

[Don]

Moonhawk said:

Silver Smudger said:

and inspired the Bechdel test)

Which Alien actually fails if you take deleted scenes into account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDu78p3h6JE

This scene made it into the novelisation that I read before I ever saw the film.

[Moonhawk]

Halb said:

Moonhawk said:

Which Alien actually fails if you take deleted scenes into account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDu78p3h6JE

inclusion of a scene where a man is a topic negates other scenes?

Sorry I don't follow?

I was merely commenting on whether it passes or fails the Bechdel test - not on whether any particular scene negates any other.

[Rumblestripe]

Moonhawk said:

Silver Smudger said:

and inspired the Bechdel test)

Which Alien actually fails if you take deleted scenes into account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDu78p3h6JE

Even with the scene where Ripley and another female character talk about the John Hurt character (sorry can't be bothered to look up character names) and whether (or not) they slept with him, the movie passes because it features a scene in which two women talk about something other than a man. Some more strenuous measures of the Bechdel Test state that the females must be named characters. So Alien would also pass that test.

[Halb]

Moonhawk said:

Sorry I don't follow?

I was merely commenting on whether it passes or fails the Bechdel test - not on whether any particular scene negates any other.

I tink Rumblestripe covers it, it's what I was thinking.
ALien passes because it hits three points, not because it also includes other scenes that don't.
I hadn't heard of this thing before just, I went to wiki to see what it was fully.

[Rumblestripe]

Halb said:

I tink Rumblestripe covers it, it's what I was thinking.
ALien passes because it hits three points, not because it also includes other scenes that don't.
I hadn't heard of this thing before just, I went to wiki to see what it was fully.

Exactly so Halb.

[Beefmeister]

Not sure if this has been covered before, but has anyone watched Class? It's on Netflix, though may have been BBC before, I've only just seen it.

Seems to be a weird Who-esque thing, has Capaldi in the first episode to link it in, 16/17yr old kids and usual time rip with stuff coming out every week storylines.

Not entirely sure where it's aimed though as there's a lot of gore, and a scene where one of the main characters is getting done from behind by his boyfriend! So that isn't (if you're Ofcom) suited for 16/17yr olds, but then the stories and acting is very young. Odd.

[zarjaz1991]

Beefmeister said:

Not sure if this has been covered before, but has anyone watched Class? It's on Netflix, though may have been BBC before, I've only just seen it.

Seems to be a weird Who-esque thing, has Capaldi in the first episode to link it in, 16/17yr old kids and usual time rip with stuff coming out every week storylines.

Not entirely sure where it's aimed though as there's a lot of gore, and a scene where one of the main characters is getting done from behind by his boyfriend! So that isn't (if you're Ofcom) suited for 16/17yr olds, but then the stories and acting is very young. Odd.

It was first shown on iPlayer in late 2016, but wasn't terribly successful. It's since been cancelled. I believe Big Finish have picked it up for a series of audio dramas though.

[Moonhawk]

Rumblestripe said:

Halb said:

I tink Rumblestripe covers it, it's what I was thinking.
ALien passes because it hits three points, not because it also includes other scenes that don't.
I hadn't heard of this thing before just, I went to wiki to see what it was fully.

Exactly so Halb.

Surely the vast majority of films pass this test.

I can't think of a single film which has two named female characters interacting with each other - and in every single scene where they have dialog together they talk about a man.

I looked up a list of some prominent movies that apparently fail the test. In most of them it's simply because the female characters don't actually meet (e.g. Avengers, Edge of Tomorrow).

Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 23 July 17:14

Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 23 July 17:15

[Mr2Mike]

Moonhawk said:

Surely the vast majority of films pass this test.

You'd certainly think so. Seems like Rule 2 is a little more strongly interpreted that just "talk to each other", i.e. they need to hold a proper conversation for it to count.

[Moonhawk]

Mr2Mike said:

You'd certainly think so. Seems like Rule 2 is a little more strongly interpreted that just "talk to each other", i.e. they need to hold a proper conversation for it to count.

I'm not even sure what that rule is supposed to achieve? Are conversations valid only if they are held between two women?

Is there a male equivalent. I bet a fair few 'chick flicks' would probably fail a similar test with genders reversed. I can't recall many conversations between named male characters in Ghostbusters 3

Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 23 July 18:44

[Rumblestripe]

Moonhawk said:

I'm not even sure what that rule is supposed to achieve? Are conversations valid only if they are held between two women?

Is there a male equivalent. I bet a fair few 'chick flicks' would probably fail a similar test with genders reversed. I can't recall many conversations between named male characters in Ghostbusters 3

Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 23 July 18:44

It is a simple test to show the way in which women are portrayed in film. It isn't supposed to achieve anything other than a talking point really and highlight the limited use of female characters in film. Yes, there may be a few "chick flicks" that would fail a "reverse Bechdel" IMDB reckon it is FOUR.

IMDB Reverse Bechdel

Out of every film ever made.That's a sobering statistic.

[Moonhawk]

Rumblestripe said:

It is a simple test to show the way in which women are portrayed in film. It isn't supposed to achieve anything other than a talking point really and highlight the limited use of female characters in film. Yes, there may be a few "chick flicks" that would fail a "reverse Bechdel" IMDB reckon it is FOUR.

IMDB Reverse Bechdel

Out of every film ever made.That's a sobering statistic.

It's also BS. Even IMDB disagree with their own figure. This list by IMDB contains 16 movies - and I can think of a few right off the bat that I reckon would also fail.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls071925462/

Is it really an indication of how women are portrayed in film. Not every real world scenario translates well into film - and the simple fact of the matter is, scenarios featuring all men, or predominantly men, have translated much more readily, especially where big blockbuster movies are concerned (think war films, westerns, disaster movies involving emergency services, astronaughts etc).

It is likely that there will always be many more films that feature just men or predominantly men, where any women that do feature don't get to interact, especially when you consider older movies made before retconning history to forcibly insert 'strong women' became a thing.

[ajprice]

There's been a Comic-Con in London, lots of Doctors turned up for various things, Christopher Eccleston passed by Peter Capaldi and Matt Smith and it was all very happy and huggy. Time to start rumours for the multi Doctor 60th anniversary special

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-07-30/doct...

[LoonyTunes]

I drove past the crowds, more sonic screwdrivers in the hands of grown adults than is right.