Edge of Tomorrow - New Tom Cruise movie
Discussion
MissChief said:
While I agree that the film has been out for a few weeks that doesn't mean everyone that wants to see it has done. It's just polite to spoiler stuff that's been out recently.
Indeed. Some people, such as me, generally can't stand going to the cinema and wait for it to be released on the small screen. I've stayed away for this thread for just that reason - there's always some t
t who thinks that just because they've seen the film that it's ok to spoil it for others by not using the spoilers tag. Especially when it has not been released on DVD/BD yet. In a thread like this that doesn't have "No Spoilers" in the title I tend to stay away. I got a bit upset when people were posting unhidden spoilers about this film in the "Good films I watched this weekend" thread though.
croyde said:
It was one of those rare films that I watched at the cinema and felt compelled to go back and watch again a few days later. It will be also one of those rare films that I will actually rush out and buy when the bluray is released.
A bit slow to the party on this one - as we don't get to the cinema much. Recorded it from Sky movies - thought it was a really enjoyable, easy to watch good science fiction romp. Bill Paxton was great - a nice little nod to Aliens.I also like the fact it's set in 'current time'. Was the initial footage used for the alien landing the meteor in Russia a couple of years ago?? Then watched it again a few days later with my daughter and enjoyed it more. Maybe not a deep and meaningful classic, but really great fun - I like the evolution of the whole plot during the film.
I read an interesting piece about the ending and how it was changed due to the view it's an action comedy - so the ending couldn't be too dark.
On the film success front, at what point is film a 'commercial' success?? With a big budget film like this, it has covered it's costs and made that again in profit. For any business making 100% in 6 months would be deemed a success, especially with future sales to still come in. So is there a standard point at which a film is a commercial success in income generated? Just wondering.
sanf said:
A bit slow to the party on this one - as we don't get to the cinema much. Recorded it from Sky movies - thought it was a really enjoyable, easy to watch good science fiction romp. Bill Paxton was great - a nice little nod to Aliens.I also like the fact it's set in 'current time'. Was the initial footage used for the alien landing the meteor in Russia a couple of years ago??
Then watched it again a few days later with my daughter and enjoyed it more. Maybe not a deep and meaningful classic, but really great fun - I like the evolution of the whole plot during the film.
I read an interesting piece about the ending and how it was changed due to the view it's an action comedy - so the ending couldn't be too dark.
On the film success front, at what point is film a 'commercial' success?? With a big budget film like this, it has covered it's costs and made that again in profit. For any business making 100% in 6 months would be deemed a success, especially with future sales to still come in. So is there a standard point at which a film is a commercial success in income generated? Just wondering.
It's a funny one. It may well have covered it's production budget but the costs of marketing a film like this would also have been huge. Studios also have expectations that they set for any film (realistic or not) and if they aren't met then it will be deemed a failure.Then watched it again a few days later with my daughter and enjoyed it more. Maybe not a deep and meaningful classic, but really great fun - I like the evolution of the whole plot during the film.
I read an interesting piece about the ending and how it was changed due to the view it's an action comedy - so the ending couldn't be too dark.
On the film success front, at what point is film a 'commercial' success?? With a big budget film like this, it has covered it's costs and made that again in profit. For any business making 100% in 6 months would be deemed a success, especially with future sales to still come in. So is there a standard point at which a film is a commercial success in income generated? Just wondering.
EOT only made $100 million domestic gross against a $180 million budget. Take into account Jurassic world has earner $600 million in 4 weeks domestically on a budget estimated at $150 million and you can see it didn't do well.
Asterix said:
I'm surprised - I thought the marketing was sound.
The fact they've rebranded it Live, Die, Repeat : Edge of Tomorrow for its DVD/BluRay release would suggest not.Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 15th July 18:49
sanf said:
croyde said:
It was one of those rare films that I watched at the cinema and felt compelled to go back and watch again a few days later. It will be also one of those rare films that I will actually rush out and buy when the bluray is released.
A bit slow to the party on this one - as we don't get to the cinema much. Recorded it from Sky movies - thought it was a really enjoyable, easy to watch good science fiction romp. Bill Paxton was great - a nice little nod to Aliens.I also like the fact it's set in 'current time'. Was the initial footage used for the alien landing the meteor in Russia a couple of years ago?? Then watched it again a few days later with my daughter and enjoyed it more. Maybe not a deep and meaningful classic, but really great fun - I like the evolution of the whole plot during the film.
I read an interesting piece about the ending and how it was changed due to the view it's an action comedy - so the ending couldn't be too dark.
On the film success front, at what point is film a 'commercial' success?? With a big budget film like this, it has covered it's costs and made that again in profit. For any business making 100% in 6 months would be deemed a success, especially with future sales to still come in. So is there a standard point at which a film is a commercial success in income generated? Just wondering.
Pommygranite said:
sanf said:
croyde said:
It was one of those rare films that I watched at the cinema and felt compelled to go back and watch again a few days later. It will be also one of those rare films that I will actually rush out and buy when the bluray is released.
A bit slow to the party on this one - as we don't get to the cinema much. Recorded it from Sky movies - thought it was a really enjoyable, easy to watch good science fiction romp. Bill Paxton was great - a nice little nod to Aliens.I also like the fact it's set in 'current time'. Was the initial footage used for the alien landing the meteor in Russia a couple of years ago?? Then watched it again a few days later with my daughter and enjoyed it more. Maybe not a deep and meaningful classic, but really great fun - I like the evolution of the whole plot during the film.
I read an interesting piece about the ending and how it was changed due to the view it's an action comedy - so the ending couldn't be too dark.
On the film success front, at what point is film a 'commercial' success?? With a big budget film like this, it has covered it's costs and made that again in profit. For any business making 100% in 6 months would be deemed a success, especially with future sales to still come in. So is there a standard point at which a film is a commercial success in income generated? Just wondering.
But most original ideas are st. Most creative ideas are st. Most ideas from ppl outside "the mainstream" are invariably...st. Why? Because most ppl really don't give a fk about being intelligent or cultural or anything apart from wanting to park their brain for 2 hrs on a friday evening so they don't have to think about the wife, kids, mortgage, job, etc, etc for just 2 hrs of their life.
Its the same with authors. Have you ever actually met anyone vaguely interesting who you didn't think was a boring anally retarded moron who has actually read anything on the Booker list? Who has ever completed any Zadie Smith novel? Read the Satanic Verses all the way through? Of course not!!! Because we have fairly finely tuned attenas for "normal ppl" and for ppl who consider Melvyn Bragg and the South Bank Show as must-see tv and we avoid them like the plague.
t. Most creative ideas are st. Most ideas from ppl outside "the mainstream" are invariably...st. Why? Because most ppl really don't give a fk about being intelligent or cultural or anything apart from wanting to park their brain for 2 hrs on a friday evening so they don't have to think about the wife, kids, mortgage, job, etc, etc for just 2 hrs of their life.Its the same with authors. Have you ever actually met anyone vaguely interesting who you didn't think was a boring anally retarded moron who has actually read anything on the Booker list? Who has ever completed any Zadie Smith novel? Read the Satanic Verses all the way through? Of course not!!! Because we have fairly finely tuned attenas for "normal ppl" and for ppl who consider Melvyn Bragg and the South Bank Show as must-see tv and we avoid them like the plague.
DJRC said:
But most original ideas are st. Most creative ideas are st. Most ideas from ppl outside "the mainstream" are invariably...st. Why? Because most ppl really don't give a fk about being intelligent or cultural or anything apart from wanting to park their brain for 2 hrs on a friday evening so they don't have to think about the wife, kids, mortgage, job, etc, etc for just 2 hrs of their life.
Which is exactly why Avatar rehashed Pochahontas / Dances with Wolves / The Last Samurai. They were taking such a risk financially with 3D that they had to play it totally safe with the plot. Such as it was. t. Most creative ideas are st. Most ideas from ppl outside "the mainstream" are invariably...st. Why? Because most ppl really don't give a fk about being intelligent or cultural or anything apart from wanting to park their brain for 2 hrs on a friday evening so they don't have to think about the wife, kids, mortgage, job, etc, etc for just 2 hrs of their life.DJRC said:
Its the same with authors. Have you ever actually met anyone vaguely interesting who you didn't think was a boring anally retarded moron who has actually read anything on the Booker list? Who has ever completed any Zadie Smith novel? Read the Satanic Verses all the way through? Of course not!!! Because we have fairly finely tuned attenas for "normal ppl" and for ppl who consider Melvyn Bragg and the South Bank Show as must-see tv and we avoid them like the plague.
Dumbing down to the lowest common denominator does not elevate mankind though. By your argument, we should be all pointing at the sky in awe during a thunderstorm and exclaiming "the gods are angry. We must sacrifice a goat".Pommygranite said:
sanf said:
croyde said:
It was one of those rare films that I watched at the cinema and felt compelled to go back and watch again a few days later. It will be also one of those rare films that I will actually rush out and buy when the bluray is released.
A bit slow to the party on this one - as we don't get to the cinema much. Recorded it from Sky movies - thought it was a really enjoyable, easy to watch good science fiction romp. Bill Paxton was great - a nice little nod to Aliens.I also like the fact it's set in 'current time'. Was the initial footage used for the alien landing the meteor in Russia a couple of years ago?? Then watched it again a few days later with my daughter and enjoyed it more. Maybe not a deep and meaningful classic, but really great fun - I like the evolution of the whole plot during the film.
I read an interesting piece about the ending and how it was changed due to the view it's an action comedy - so the ending couldn't be too dark.
On the film success front, at what point is film a 'commercial' success?? With a big budget film like this, it has covered it's costs and made that again in profit. For any business making 100% in 6 months would be deemed a success, especially with future sales to still come in. So is there a standard point at which a film is a commercial success in income generated? Just wondering.
interesting rule, there must be a lot of very good films that don't make that money commercially. I believe with Edge of Tomorrow, the producers recognised that Tom Cruise is less of a draw in the US - so focused more on the oversees market. I think the film made broadly what it was expected to.I like how this tread is drifting - some very funny observations. I tend to have a rule - if Mark Kermode likes it I won't and vice versa.........I do like the things exploding, car chasing no brainer films. I haven't yet pointed at the sky during a thunderstorm and sacrificed a goat.......does it make a difference?
Pommygranite said:
3 x cost in take is the general rule of thumb to see if a film is a commercial success.
This has never quite added up for me, very few films make three times the production budget in any released figures, yet there are still plenty of private financiers knocking about.I can only presume the long term income is fairly significant. I listen to Kevin Smith podcasts and he can secure a few million to make a movie pretty easily, yet historically his films are never going to even cover that at the box office.
ukaskew said:
Pommygranite said:
3 x cost in take is the general rule of thumb to see if a film is a commercial success.
This has never quite added up for me, very few films make three times the production budget in any released figures, yet there are still plenty of private financiers knocking about.I can only presume the long term income is fairly significant. I listen to Kevin Smith podcasts and he can secure a few million to make a movie pretty easily, yet historically his films are never going to even cover that at the box office.
MissChief said:
Easy if you know how. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
"The 2002 film My Big Fat Greek Wedding ... cost less than $6 million to make and made over $350 million at the box office, 'lost' $20 million."You know something smells fishier than Baldrick's Plum Duff when a film that reportedly cost $6 million to make can report a loss of $20 million on a $350 million revenue.
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