Idris Elba - King of Speed

Idris Elba - King of Speed

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s3fella

10,523 posts

153 months

Saturday 4th January 2014
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telecat said:
You do see it. Riding a Trials Bike is all about control and if you open the throttle it will just go. The Wheely and flip thing is down to putting your feet down and expecting the bike to stop despite having throttle on. Being so low it just slips out from under you and keeps going. Having the Handlebars in your grasp means the bike rears up. Looks silly but very easy to do.
It's down to trying to stop without pulling the clutch in, which is pretty much the first thing you learn on a bike with gears. And that's what I couldn't understand, he seems to be able to ride a motorbike with gears, but then on two occasions he seemed like a compile amateur with not a clue.
I think the last flip, crash and roll was done deliberately, but I have no idea as to why he would do so.

Was left feeling odd about the whole program tbh. Just felt it was all a bit contrived.

y2blade

56,029 posts

181 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Just found both shows on my planner (forgot I'd recorded them).

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Escy

2,941 posts

115 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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I didn't know who Idris Elba was. I've watched both shows back to back and thought it was a good program. He came across well to me, seemed comfortable and personable with all the people he met and it was a wide spectrum, from American street racers to Paddy Hopkirk. He just seemed like a nice guy who was into cars. I was surprised to see criticism of him but I suppose this is Pistonheads and it's to be expected.

JonRB

66,035 posts

238 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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Well, I really enjoyed it and particularly the 2nd programme because I was very much into rallying in the 80's, especially the Group B cars, so seeing the 6R4, Dai Llewellyn and Ari Vatenen brought a little tear to my eye.

I thought Idris Elba came across well, showed enthusiasm for the subject matter, it was extremely well filmed with some lovely cinematography, and overall was one of the better things that was on telly over Christmas.

I really don't know what some members of PH expect out of a car programme on a mainstream channel, to be honest.

MC Bodge

15,863 posts

141 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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The programme was actually pretty good overall, especially the 2nd one.

But...

I think the difference between something done by, say, Guy Martin and something like "King of Speed" is that Guy Martin is a bit of a character and making a living from it, but he is also a very capable chap who will try his hand at some interesting things, and make a good stab at it. I'm also interested in what he thinks about bikes, cars, boats, machines etc.

Prof Brian Cox is another, more academic, example of this.


I'm less interested in seeing somebody having a go at something, such as driving a rally car at a fairly basic level, just because they are a "celebrity". I've no issue with Idris Elba and he's a very good actor, but it appears that his main interest outside of acting is probably music.

Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 6th January 22:45

skinny

5,268 posts

201 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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Am I the only one that thought that idris came across as a bit of a cock with rather too high an opinion of his talent? Didn't seem to listen to a thing said to him on the rally training. Flipped the car and it's not his fault?

There was no need whatsoever for the crap in the veyron or jumping cars. The bit in the xr2 would have been much better if he didn't just keep banging on about it being a rude boy car and cruising around laaandan in his yoof.

Saved by hopkirk, dai, and vatanen, as well as the nascar on the streets and 6r4 etc

skinny

5,268 posts

201 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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Am I the only one that thought that idris came across as a bit of a cock with rather too high an opinion of his talent? Didn't seem to listen to a thing said to him on the rally training. Flipped the car and it's not his fault?

There was no need whatsoever for the crap in the veyron or jumping cars. The bit in the xr2 would have been much better if he didn't just keep banging on about it being a rude boy car and cruising around laaandan in his yoof.

Saved by hopkirk, dai, and vatanen, as well as the nascar on the streets and 6r4 etc

p1doc

2,731 posts

150 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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thought it was a good programme about a likeable car enthusiast trying his luck with a few cars -a dream for most pistonheads
martin

monthefish

19,888 posts

197 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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The program was a big let-down for me.

hartge bob said:
Max doesn't look impressed
ash73 said:
Not surprised Idris had an off, he was pushing himself too far too soon because the cameras were there.
The reason he had an off was that he was a cocky tw@t. I thought it was incredibly rude when Max suggested he go back to the 'training' circuit and he just said 'No'. Who does he think he is?

skinny said:
Am I the only one that thought that idris came across as a bit of a cock with rather too high an opinion of his talent? Didn't seem to listen to a thing said to him on the rally training. Flipped the car and it's not his fault?
yes

BaronVonVaderham

2,100 posts

113 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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Agree with the above.

I think the cause could potentialy be his job as an actor - they don a costume and 'play' a part. He thinks that by putting on a race suit and helmet he looks the part, so he can obviously play the part and is bestowed with Vatanen's talents...

Or he could just be a big knob.

Mark Benson

6,150 posts

235 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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monthefish said:
The program was a big let-down for me.

hartge bob said:
Max doesn't look impressed
ash73 said:
Not surprised Idris had an off, he was pushing himself too far too soon because the cameras were there.
The reason he had an off was that he was a cocky tw@t. I thought it was incredibly rude when Max suggested he go back to the 'training' circuit and he just said 'No'. Who does he think he is?

skinny said:
Am I the only one that thought that idris came across as a bit of a cock with rather too high an opinion of his talent? Didn't seem to listen to a thing said to him on the rally training. Flipped the car and it's not his fault?
yes
Just caught up with this and agree with most of the above.

A good idea spoiled somewhat by TV's endless obsession with celebrities going on a 'journey' to discover something they have a mild interest in and/or no talent for.

He came across as arrogant and dismissive of people he could have learned from. But in that he's not dissimilar to quite a few (mostly male) drivers I've sat in with on track, so I suppose he's representative of a type.

aka_kerrly

11,895 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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BaronVonVaderham said:
Agree with the above.

I think the cause could potentialy be his job as an actor - they don a costume and 'play' a part. He thinks that by putting on a race suit and helmet he looks the part, so he can obviously play the part and is bestowed with Vatanen's talents...

Or he could just be a big knob.
That's actually a very good assessment. I thought he was incredibly rude to Vatanen Senior and junior.

Maybe that's what fks me off most with these shows is sometimes the presenters fail to show that they appreciate any of the effort that the professionals are putting in.

MC Bodge

15,863 posts

141 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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Mark Benson said:
A good idea spoiled somewhat by TV's endless obsession with celebrities going on a 'journey' to discover something they have a mild interest in and/or no talent for.
Quite, which echoes my point above.

coppice

6,665 posts

110 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Dear oh dear what a naive bunch so many of us seem to be....It wasn't a documentary, it wasn't how to be a racing driver in three easy lessons, it was just light entertainment which would hook some of the Top Gear audience.The key to all programmes like this is in the editing- shoot lots , edit down to make some sort of story, inject a bit of drama and jeopardy and job done. But it's all a construct and relies on careful work to keep it watchable . As for the ultimate sin on PH - 'being arrogant' I neither know nor care if Idris is guilty of that - but FFS so what if he is? He's a good looking and gifted actor (not some saddo like me looking at web forum on a wednesday morning)and he should be judged by his acting or in this case the watchability of the programme. I enjoyed it and so did many if 20 odd pages of comment are anything to go by.

But the real subtext here seems to be a Self Righteous Brothers riff- 'It's all so unfair; I go on PH all the time , have a V8, know my 964 from my 993 , I do trackdays and I read EVO. I know more about car anorak stuff than that guy off the telly - the wker- why him? So unfair..arrogant tosser anyway- I'd tell him if he came into my local I would . Idris....NO '

Mark Benson

6,150 posts

235 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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coppice said:
Dear oh dear what a naive bunch so many of us seem to be....It wasn't a documentary, it wasn't how to be a racing driver in three easy lessons, it was just light entertainment which would hook some of the Top Gear audience.The key to all programmes like this is in the editing- shoot lots , edit down to make some sort of story, inject a bit of drama and jeopardy and job done. But it's all a construct and relies on careful work to keep it watchable . As for the ultimate sin on PH - 'being arrogant' I neither know nor care if Idris is guilty of that - but FFS so what if he is? He's a good looking and gifted actor (not some saddo like me looking at web forum on a wednesday morning)and he should be judged by his acting or in this case the watchability of the programme. I enjoyed it and so did many if 20 odd pages of comment are anything to go by.

But the real subtext here seems to be a Self Righteous Brothers riff- 'It's all so unfair; I go on PH all the time , have a V8, know my 964 from my 993 , I do trackdays and I read EVO. I know more about car anorak stuff than that guy off the telly - the wker- why him? So unfair..arrogant tosser anyway- I'd tell him if he came into my local I would . Idris....NO '
Calm down poppet, I think most of us are sensible enough to see it for what it was, heavily edited light entertainment.

It's just that it also appeared to be a missed opportunity - the makers could have used someone whose appreciation of the cars went deeper than 'Me and me bruvs used to tool abaht sarf Lahndah in one of these' and the presenter who, if he could park his own (misplaced) self-confidence would have learned a lot more and maybe not trashed someone else's car (then blamed the car).

I'm neither jealous of the presenter nor surprised by the 'sleb on a journey' content - just a little disappointed at how the 'sleb in question approached the subject. Given the ubiquity of the format and the 'unique way the BBC is funded', I'm simply disappointed that the BBC yet again went down the same tired old route.

y2blade

56,029 posts

181 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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coppice said:
Dear oh dear what a naive bunch so many of us seem to be....It wasn't a documentary, it wasn't how to be a racing driver in three easy lessons, it was just light entertainment which would hook some of the Top Gear audience.The key to all programmes like this is in the editing- shoot lots , edit down to make some sort of story, inject a bit of drama and jeopardy and job done. But it's all a construct and relies on careful work to keep it watchable . As for the ultimate sin on PH - 'being arrogant' I neither know nor care if Idris is guilty of that - but FFS so what if he is? He's a good looking and gifted actor (not some saddo like me looking at web forum on a wednesday morning)and he should be judged by his acting or in this case the watchability of the programme. I enjoyed it and so did many if 20 odd pages of comment are anything to go by.

But the real subtext here seems to be a Self Righteous Brothers riff- 'It's all so unfair; I go on PH all the time , have a V8, know my 964 from my 993 , I do trackdays and I read EVO. I know more about car anorak stuff than that guy off the telly - the wker- why him? So unfair..arrogant tosser anyway- I'd tell him if he came into my local I would . Idris....NO '
My thoughts too.

MissB and I both enjoyed the program and thought Idris came across as a likable and very watchable guy, I do find it odd the level of negativity towards this on an "enthusiasts" site!


drakart

1,662 posts

176 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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If the BBC are reading this and they're looking for someone to spend a week with the Vatanens (minus the wierd naked stuff) and drive rally cars, then PM me. I haven't driven on the UK public roads without the appropriate licence, I respect my betters and I actually know quite a bit about driving and rallying so therefore I could talk to others on the programme knowledgeably.
Many thanks.
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Eric Mc

115,273 posts

231 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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For certain types of programming "knowing stuff" is what they DON'T want.

drakart

1,662 posts

176 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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Eric Mc said:
For certain types of programming "knowing stuff" is what they DON'T want.
Yep, it's all part of the "journey" we are sharing! The voice over guy is the all knowing deity, not the presenter. yes

zeb

3,032 posts

184 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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drakart said:
If the BBC are reading this and they're looking for someone to spend a week with the Vatanens (minus the wierd naked stuff) and drive rally cars, then PM me. I haven't driven on the UK public roads without the appropriate licence, I respect my betters and I actually know quite a bit about driving and rallying so therefore I could talk to others on the programme knowledgeably.
Many thanks.
biglaugh
No BBC pick me! I've done all the above but i'm better looking and funnier.....! hehe