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anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 17th October 2018
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I only got half an hour through last nights giant 1.5 hour first episode, but already I know that Rick's operation is doomed.

trooperiziz

9,456 posts

252 months

Wednesday 17th October 2018
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I'm sure it's all for the cameras, but Parker doesn't seem to understand how percentages work...

I seriously doubt his business is running on such tight margins that moving from a 20% to a 25% royalty, on anything over 6000, will mean it isn't profitable or worth doing. He already has the operation going at that point, his sunk costs are already sunk.

westtra

1,534 posts

201 months

Wednesday 17th October 2018
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Jazzy Jag said:
No Hoffman crew
Tony Beets being a complete fit.

Parker really couldn't see that Tony would block his access?
Set up for the cameras

youngsyr

14,742 posts

192 months

Wednesday 17th October 2018
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trooperiziz said:
I'm sure it's all for the cameras, but Parker doesn't seem to understand how percentages work...

I seriously doubt his business is running on such tight margins that moving from a 20% to a 25% royalty, on anything over 6000, will mean it isn't profitable or worth doing. He already has the operation going at that point, his sunk costs are already sunk.
His logic makes a lot of sense to me (and seems to be standard industry practice elsewhere in the Yukon). Essentially you have to work everyone and everything harder to get the higher amounts of gold out of the ground in the short summer window, so whilst your fixed costs remain the same, your variable costs increase disproportionately to your extra income.

If you believe what Parker says, he's not making huge amounts of profit on the 20% royalty, so 25% is untenable.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

192 months

Wednesday 17th October 2018
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westtra said:
Jazzy Jag said:
No Hoffman crew
Tony Beets being a complete fit.

Parker really couldn't see that Tony would block his access?
Set up for the cameras
Agreed, the faked drama is becoming more and more obvious as time goes on. If you watched the pre-season opener episode of the Dirt, it's clear that Tony and Parker, whilst not best buddies, at least respect each other and are not at each other's throats like it's portrayed in the show. They seemed reasonably comfortable sitting next to each other and talking about their relationship and were actually complementary about each other at times.

The real giveaway is Rick's plot line - look how difficult it's allegedly been for Todd and even Parker to get established up there, yet Rick suddenly has a shot at being a mining boss? Not likely (without a huge amount of help from the show).

youngsyr

14,742 posts

192 months

Wednesday 17th October 2018
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Lord Marylebone said:
I only got half an hour through last nights giant 1.5 hour first episode, but already I know that Rick's operation is doomed.
You're forgetting that this is a TV show. Rick suddenly being able to go out on his own this year is all about TV ratings and nothing more. If Rick goes down, the shows goes down with him in my opinion, as without Todd, the show would get very dull very quickly listening to Parker balling out his crew and arguing with Tony, whilst Tony slowly does exactly the same thing that he's been doing for the past 3 series.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Todd Hoffman is apparently coming back with his own show 'Greenhorn Gold'.

Contestants will try to impress him with their mining skills, while getting eliminated week by week 'Apprentice style'.

The remaining miner at the end of the series wins a 'life changing' amount of raw gold.

trooperiziz

9,456 posts

252 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Why doesn't Tony just make a new pontoon? It's just a basic steel box after all. His current one is in about 20 pieces and it takes 2 days to get a couple of them down the river. That can't be cheap to do in running costs!

Du1point8

21,608 posts

192 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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trooperiziz said:
Why doesn't Tony just make a new pontoon? It's just a basic steel box after all. His current one is in about 20 pieces and it takes 2 days to get a couple of them down the river. That can't be cheap to do in running costs!
Cause I presume when he buys it he buys the WHOLE package and doesnt cherry pick it and leave the rest so he has to take all the crap.

As for Parker, if he makes money then Im not seeing his issue, its like me paying tax, the more I earn the more I pay, I dont like deferring till next year as I think I have paid too much even if the government took 60% of it.

Also Im intrigued as to what he was thinking when he bought the ground but then never went to the mining commision to enforce the right to mine and as such the right to the water in the river that's next to Beets.

Instead he just pisses him off by emptying the area into Beets land and doesnt argue that Mike said it was fine.

trooperiziz

9,456 posts

252 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Du1point8 said:
Cause I presume when he buys it he buys the WHOLE package and doesnt cherry pick it and leave the rest so he has to take all the crap.
Good point, well presented biggrin

pincher

8,558 posts

217 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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All the crap could just ‘fall off’ the boat a mile or so downstream, having ‘bumped into’ a sandbar. Repeatedly wink

Du1point8

21,608 posts

192 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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pincher said:
All the crap could just ‘fall off’ the boat a mile or so downstream, having ‘bumped into’ a sandbar. Repeatedly wink
You know full well they would end up crashing straight into it on a later episode, they seem devoid of talent when it comes to boats.

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

247 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Someone needs to invest in boats with water jet propulsion not screws that get wrecked in shallow water all the time.

pincher

8,558 posts

217 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Du1point8 said:
You know full well they would end up crashing straight into it on a later episode, they seem devoid of talent when it comes to boats.
So true laugh

mikal83

5,340 posts

252 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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why would you buy lots of land, for lots of money, to mine and then just forget you need lots and lots of water???

DocJock

8,357 posts

240 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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He just assumed, in his usual arrogant fashion, that Tony would just agree to share his water licence. Witness his 'Tony is trying to stop me mining' nonsense, when all the awkward auld bd is doing is following the rules.

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

247 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Tony is going to really upset Parker next when he demands an upfront cut from gold not yet found due to timewasting.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

192 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Let's not forget that the whole Parker/Tony feud is made up for TV, but ignoring that, as I understand it, Tony cannot legally deny Parker access to the water (or stop him taking his vehicles through Tony's claim to get to his own claim).

Again, from what I've read, this is because you do not own the land in the Yukon, you simply own the right (via a licence) to mine that land (claim) for a set period and that right does not extend to you denying other miners through passage or access to water across your claim.

However, the hold up is that there's an administrative process that is in place for miners to follow to notify and be formally granted permission to travel across and access water across another miner's claim and the show would have you believe that Parker assumed incorrectly that, like with a lot of other miners, Tony wouldn't insist on this process being followed, because it's just a lot of paperwork for no real gain to anyone.

The reality is of course that Parker and Tony are both well aware of the rules, get on reasonably well, and this dispute has all been manufactured to add drama to the show.

There have even been suggestions that the weather up at Parker's stripped land from last season did not permit processing pay dirt as early in the season as usual, so the whole non-sensical "moving to his own land" plot was conjured up by the production crew to explain away Parker's crew essentially doing nothing for the first few weeks and then simply returning at the drop of a hat to the stripped land as if nothing had happened. It would also explain why Parker had time at the beginning of the season to make the 24 hour round trip back to his home to have a 20 minute chat with his parents.


anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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New season starting October 23rd.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Lord Marylebone said:
New season starting October 23rd.
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