Harry's Garage - YouTube
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suffolk009 said:
Yet the Tesla truck's accelerator apparently doesn't work properly.
The fix is a rivet to stop it moving around https://twitter.com/aaronjcash/status/178173476021...https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/20/24135876/tesla-...
Greg_B said:
I have no desire to own a Tesla and Harry’s video confirms my opinion that it is like buying a really expensive microwave oven with tons of features you will never use and controls that are confusing. I suppose it must have some sort of personality but it seems difficult to pin down what that might be. I think the lack of traditional controls and switchgear would bother me, and the centre screen would drive me mad. Harry was a bit too kind in his assessment of it, I think. And those standard wheels are possibly the ugliest I have ever seen. I’d have to get them resprayed in silver on the way home.
They're just covers - easy and cheap to swap out or remove.ajprice said:
The fix is a rivet to stop it moving around https://twitter.com/aaronjcash/status/178173476021...
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/20/24135876/tesla-...
That's just hilariously embarrassing.https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/20/24135876/tesla-...
Greg_B said:
I have no desire to own a Tesla and Harry’s video confirms my opinion that it is like buying a really expensive microwave oven with tons of features you will never use and controls that are confusing.
What is "confusing" about the controls?You may not like the layout, but I can't see what's difficult to understand about the user-interaction on a Tesla.
ArgonautX said:
Most legacy manufactures use non-specialized or both EV and ICE capable platforms that probably weigh more.
My theory is that most legacy manufacturers are of the opinion that it is still too early to invest heavily into EVs and they're biding their time. Most of them produce EVs so that they can lower their fleet averages, not to make money on them.
Yup. Different businesses in reality. One only sells EVs and everything they do is to maximise EV sales and all capex and production lines are EV focussed. Conversely, with the incumbents, 90%+ of the business is ICE focussed and they'll just build EVs as legislation or consumer demand requires. Most clearly represent by BMW compromising ultimate EV efficiencies to gain production efficiencies from using on architecture for all and favouring ICE as that's what almost all their sales are and will still be for years. And let's not forget the reality that if it was all about efficiency as Harry's video almost entirely focussed on, then people wouldn't be buying SUVs and other low MPG vehicles in their droves. The media talks an awful lot about mpg and miles per kWh but in the real world the bulk of consumers really don't care and put more emphasis on other criteria such as fashion, badge, finance, tax, shape etc. My theory is that most legacy manufacturers are of the opinion that it is still too early to invest heavily into EVs and they're biding their time. Most of them produce EVs so that they can lower their fleet averages, not to make money on them.
So this thread has taken the expected turn after the Tesla review. Tesla as a brand it seems, there is no middle ground. You are either a fully paid up evangelist for the brand, or an out and out hater.....
I enjoyed the video because from launch in 2019, the Tesla Model 3 has stood out for me as the only regular size and packaged saloon EV I would be interested in buying, as someone who owns a 3 series diesel. It seems to have put on a few pounds in latest guise (the original was weighed by Autocar at around 1650KG) but it is still lighter than most. The list price is not extortionate and the RWD model appeals to me. Also, unlike the high end Tesla Model S and Porsche Taycan, I like the fact that the performance on offer in the RWD variant is proportionate to road use and not so excessive that hitting max acceleration gives you and your passengers whiplash!
Harry seemed to like it. It rides well, goes round corners well, has superb efficiency and the charging set up is still the best.
For me, just some terrible day to day functionality issues such as indicators and I hate the massive screen and bare looking interior.
As ever, Harry gave a fair and impartial view, taking all the emotion out of it and for me this was one of his most helpful reviews yet, given that most stuff he tests I will never be in the market for. Cheers Harry.
I enjoyed the video because from launch in 2019, the Tesla Model 3 has stood out for me as the only regular size and packaged saloon EV I would be interested in buying, as someone who owns a 3 series diesel. It seems to have put on a few pounds in latest guise (the original was weighed by Autocar at around 1650KG) but it is still lighter than most. The list price is not extortionate and the RWD model appeals to me. Also, unlike the high end Tesla Model S and Porsche Taycan, I like the fact that the performance on offer in the RWD variant is proportionate to road use and not so excessive that hitting max acceleration gives you and your passengers whiplash!
Harry seemed to like it. It rides well, goes round corners well, has superb efficiency and the charging set up is still the best.
For me, just some terrible day to day functionality issues such as indicators and I hate the massive screen and bare looking interior.
As ever, Harry gave a fair and impartial view, taking all the emotion out of it and for me this was one of his most helpful reviews yet, given that most stuff he tests I will never be in the market for. Cheers Harry.
You have to wonder how a manufacturer who has done so much to make EVs a practical option for many, then goes and ruins all their good work with bad design such as the drive selection and indicators.
The efficiency is impressive which is just as well as it's not the kind of car your heart would buy but those control systems look like Tesla have been infiltrated by Chinese competitors.
The efficiency is impressive which is just as well as it's not the kind of car your heart would buy but those control systems look like Tesla have been infiltrated by Chinese competitors.
PhilkSVR said:
Yes, it’s bizarre because this must make driving more dangerous not safer, yet there appears to be little or no regulation to control it. Still, I am not ready for an EV yet so it won’t affect me. At the moment anyway.
It's not just EVs, it's new car designs in general, it's just that mostly new car designs are electric.NCAP is now addressing the safety aspect of touchscreen interfaces.
I don't think the touchscreen in general would bother me much in the Tesla, but I think the indicators, drive selector, and speedo would be a bit irritating.
The thought that I could replace my family transport appliance (335D GT) with a similar electric car and end up with something lighter is interesting, though. The difference in weight and efficiency between the Tesla and rivals is shocking, there's little excuse for it. I do note that Harry mildly criticised the bland styling and insubstantial feeling interior, though - I think in terms of aerodynamic efficiency and weight respectively, there might be a bit of wanting to have cake and eat it there.
Pistom said:
You have to wonder how a manufacturer who has done so much to make EVs a practical option for many, then goes and ruins all their good work with bad design such as the drive selection and indicators.
It's nothing about deisgn but ruthless cost saving. The more physical controls embeded into the screen / software the cheaper the cars are to produce.Muzzer79 said:
Greg_B said:
I have no desire to own a Tesla and Harry’s video confirms my opinion that it is like buying a really expensive microwave oven with tons of features you will never use and controls that are confusing.
What is "confusing" about the controls?You may not like the layout, but I can't see what's difficult to understand about the user-interaction on a Tesla.
I watched the review with interest as we have a company-leased Model Y long range dual motor. As a car it is probably the most rounded one we've ever owned in terms of usability, although it is unloved from a 'pride of ownership (lease)' perspective. It sits outside as an ugly lump but getting from A to B, even on long journeys, is utterly stress free. I have zero range anxiety, for example. I was interested in the new controls as these are the things that would add a layer of irritation to the issues that I struggle with on the Y, namely:
> An over-enthusiasm for correcting steering when we're nowhere near the side of the road - we do a lot of driving on unmarked single track roads and it bugs me.
> The worst auto wipers I've ever experienced. They are dreadful and if you over-ride them they knock out the cruise control.
> Uncomfortable seats on long journeys. They're hard and not very forgiving - for me.
However, the voice control is pretty good so if you can't be bothered to navigate the screen menu you can get most things done by talking to it. It is also cavernous and almost rivals our old Disco 4 in terms of luggage space by the time you add in the boot, the space underneath and the frunk (which is known as the 'crunt' in our household. Sorry.)
Given the review, the new controls would put me off replacing it with an updated model BUT the charging network is so good, and the nav system is so tuned into it, that it would take a lot to get me into a non-Tesla EV. Which is largely in line with Harry's video I think.
> An over-enthusiasm for correcting steering when we're nowhere near the side of the road - we do a lot of driving on unmarked single track roads and it bugs me.
> The worst auto wipers I've ever experienced. They are dreadful and if you over-ride them they knock out the cruise control.
> Uncomfortable seats on long journeys. They're hard and not very forgiving - for me.
However, the voice control is pretty good so if you can't be bothered to navigate the screen menu you can get most things done by talking to it. It is also cavernous and almost rivals our old Disco 4 in terms of luggage space by the time you add in the boot, the space underneath and the frunk (which is known as the 'crunt' in our household. Sorry.)
Given the review, the new controls would put me off replacing it with an updated model BUT the charging network is so good, and the nav system is so tuned into it, that it would take a lot to get me into a non-Tesla EV. Which is largely in line with Harry's video I think.
otolith said:
It's not just EVs, it's new car designs in general, it's just that mostly new car designs are electric.
NCAP is now addressing the safety aspect of touchscreen interfaces.
I don't think the touchscreen in general would bother me much in the Tesla, but I think the indicators, drive selector, and speedo would be a bit irritating.
The thought that I could replace my family transport appliance (335D GT) with a similar electric car and end up with something lighter is interesting, though. The difference in weight and efficiency between the Tesla and rivals is shocking, there's little excuse for it. I do note that Harry mildly criticised the bland styling and insubstantial feeling interior, though - I think in terms of aerodynamic efficiency and weight respectively, there might be a bit of wanting to have cake and eat it there.
Don’t disagree. It seems obvious to me that this should have been picked up earlier as changes to control layouts are planned well in advance. You are right that it also applies to many new non EV cars I should have been clearer. Accidents can happen in a split second and eyes off the road only increase the probability in my view.NCAP is now addressing the safety aspect of touchscreen interfaces.
I don't think the touchscreen in general would bother me much in the Tesla, but I think the indicators, drive selector, and speedo would be a bit irritating.
The thought that I could replace my family transport appliance (335D GT) with a similar electric car and end up with something lighter is interesting, though. The difference in weight and efficiency between the Tesla and rivals is shocking, there's little excuse for it. I do note that Harry mildly criticised the bland styling and insubstantial feeling interior, though - I think in terms of aerodynamic efficiency and weight respectively, there might be a bit of wanting to have cake and eat it there.
Pistom said:
You have to wonder how a manufacturer who has done so much to make EVs a practical option for many, then goes and ruins all their good work with bad design such as the drive selection and indicators.
The efficiency is impressive which is just as well as it's not the kind of car your heart would buy but those control systems look like Tesla have been infiltrated by Chinese competitors.
They are cost cutting because the Chinese are eating their lunch. And possibly because Elon foolishly bought Twitter for far more than it's worth.The efficiency is impressive which is just as well as it's not the kind of car your heart would buy but those control systems look like Tesla have been infiltrated by Chinese competitors.
greenarrow said:
So this thread has taken the expected turn after the Tesla review. Tesla as a brand it seems, there is no middle ground. You are either a fully paid up evangelist for the brand, or an out and out hater.....
That's not really borne out by the posting evidence at all. In fact, it's he bull of the posts make it clear that the opposite is true. 
The question I have for Harry is what speed did he complete the run to Goodwood and back the other weekend in the car as I completed there and back in one of the old Rangies without compromising on pace and a similar top up and that journey is about the furthest I'll do for a day trip and the Model 3 seems about the only EV that would do that without needing to cruise or incur the hassle of stopping. Most other EVs on the market would need destination charging in order to be effortless.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Monday 22 April 09:57
That’s the thing with Tesla - as stated above. It’s the supercharger network. That’s what you buy into. You don’t have to think. The car thinks. The network thinks.
I’ve driven a few 3s. I like them. They just work.
I suspect they will cut the price of that base model still further. It’s bloody cheep as it is, for what you get.
Until the R5 is established. That’s the game changer in terms of supply chain.
I’ve driven a few 3s. I like them. They just work.
I suspect they will cut the price of that base model still further. It’s bloody cheep as it is, for what you get.
Until the R5 is established. That’s the game changer in terms of supply chain.
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