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Caddyshack said:
I would say that the video did suggest it was a bit of a missed gem. Forgiving handling, nice interior, great ride and went quite well.
I actually quite like the shape and it has a 70s cool about it. I would quite like a 73 car as it was the year I was born, I have a Nov 73 Rolex, I like the fact it is the same age as me.
Agree, dreadful take from DA in my opinion, the dislike for this car is baffling to me. I actually quite like the shape and it has a 70s cool about it. I would quite like a 73 car as it was the year I was born, I have a Nov 73 Rolex, I like the fact it is the same age as me.
Caddyshack said:
Leithen said:
DonkeyApple said:
£65 is still far too high for what is an object that is not a particularly nice thing to drive, not a particularly nice thing to own, not a particularly nice thing to look at. It's a car that almost no one looks at and lists after and yet it commands what is a very high price for no other reason than it association with other things that are more desirable and valuable. At £65k it's actually quite a sad object as it implies the purchase could not think of any other object they'd rather have which could imply a depressing level of brand fanaticism.
It really isn't a special, nice, interesting, important or valuable object. It's a curio in the same bucket as the Allegro et al. Someone will buy it for no other reason than the badge making it look more important than a Ford because for some the badge is all that matters. When viewed on its own merits it just isn't anything more than a 1970s Barratt starter home with a Roman portico stuck on the front.
It’s almost as if you didn’t watch Harry’s latest video. It really isn't a special, nice, interesting, important or valuable object. It's a curio in the same bucket as the Allegro et al. Someone will buy it for no other reason than the badge making it look more important than a Ford because for some the badge is all that matters. When viewed on its own merits it just isn't anything more than a 1970s Barratt starter home with a Roman portico stuck on the front.
Was there a bet you were trying to win by comparing it to an Allegro? Deary me.
I actually quite like the shape and it has a 70s cool about it. I would quite like a 73 car as it was the year I was born, I have a Nov 73 Rolex, I like the fact it is the same age as me.
The car's fine it's just the badge gives it a price tag the object just can't underwrite. Unlike the equally rare and equally not hugely attractive 1973 Allegro which is priced by what it is as opposed to being priced based on the value of a 1973 EType from the same company.
And with this particular car it looks like all its history and patina and everything that makes a classic so valuable has been eradicated via a total rebuild, retrim, respray.
I am quote sure that someone will indeed value it at £65k with maybe as much as £20k going in comm to the agent but to me it's really not worth £45k although the agent will have earned their £20k if they get it away at £65
I find it hard to look past the fact that for about 30 years these were the cheapest Ferrari you could buy, readily available for less than 10k. On that basis 65k is a hard sell, especially when that will alternatively get you into a 355. You'd have to really want a GT4 at that price.
John Pogson, who runs Italia Autosport, had one of these as a personal car. There is a video of him talking about it on the Youtube.
GT4 values have always tracked consistently around 30% lower than the GTB/GTS, and they still do. Although £65k is toppy, probably inclusive of Cotswolds tax, it's not totally unrealistic. I was chatting to a neighbour a while ago who is in the market for a sensibly priced classic V8 Ferrari, and I suggested a GTB, not realising that half decent ones start at £70k these days. Can't say I'd throw £70k+ at a GTB, but a useable GT4 for sub £50k would be a fun runabout.
Most of the run of the mill '70s and '80s stuff has pretty much doubled in the last fifteen years. I logged onto the recent auction at the NEC with a view to making a cheeky bid for a ratty 412 that had no reserve. It went for £21k + the bits, making it nearly £25k for a non-running moneypit that would have struggled to make double figures not that long ago. Ho hum....
GT4 values have always tracked consistently around 30% lower than the GTB/GTS, and they still do. Although £65k is toppy, probably inclusive of Cotswolds tax, it's not totally unrealistic. I was chatting to a neighbour a while ago who is in the market for a sensibly priced classic V8 Ferrari, and I suggested a GTB, not realising that half decent ones start at £70k these days. Can't say I'd throw £70k+ at a GTB, but a useable GT4 for sub £50k would be a fun runabout.
Most of the run of the mill '70s and '80s stuff has pretty much doubled in the last fifteen years. I logged onto the recent auction at the NEC with a view to making a cheeky bid for a ratty 412 that had no reserve. It went for £21k + the bits, making it nearly £25k for a non-running moneypit that would have struggled to make double figures not that long ago. Ho hum....
We used to look after one for someone until they died and car sold at auction. Went for £ 70k.
https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1978-ferrari-308...
https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1978-ferrari-308...
They probably occupy the traditional space previously taken by E-Types - cost far more to restore than they are “worth”.
The problem will be that the vast majority will have been buggered up over the last 40 years and will cost at least 50k to restore properly.
In the end though the price will be whatever someone is willing to pay.
The problem will be that the vast majority will have been buggered up over the last 40 years and will cost at least 50k to restore properly.
In the end though the price will be whatever someone is willing to pay.
thegreenhell said:
I'd rather have a Mondial if I wanted a 2+2 Ferrari.
Agreed and cheaper.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210281...
Or if you can live with LHD and 2 seats
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402076...
Rumdoodle said:
<clip> I logged onto the recent auction at the NEC with a view to making a cheeky bid for a ratty 412 that had no reserve. It went for £21k + the bits, making it nearly £25k for a non-running moneypit that would have struggled to make double figures not that long ago. Ho hum....
The MD of the first software company I worked at had a Ferrari, brown with custard yellow leather, like the one pictured. It spent more of it’s time at the garage being fixed than it did at our offices. You could tell when it had broken down again because his partner’s bright green 2CV would be in his parking space. Knowingly we’d wind him up by saying “Morning Mac, where’s the Ferrari?” 
I think they are beautiful cars. 65k is slightly too much. Probably get it for 55/58. And I think you’d be unlikely to get that back. But it was ever so.
I’m not sure why people assume you’d buy because of some association with the brand. It’s just an old, pretty car. The kind of people who like to show off Ferrari’s are exactly the kind of people who would never buy this car in a million years. Even if it was 30k.
I just like it. Like I like all sorts of weird cars.
I think I’d rather have a 3.2 Mondial in not red. The Mondial T is a bit mad. Even for me.
I’m not sure why people assume you’d buy because of some association with the brand. It’s just an old, pretty car. The kind of people who like to show off Ferrari’s are exactly the kind of people who would never buy this car in a million years. Even if it was 30k.
I just like it. Like I like all sorts of weird cars.
I think I’d rather have a 3.2 Mondial in not red. The Mondial T is a bit mad. Even for me.
DuncanM said:
G Thang said:
The 255 bhp / 1150 kg power to weight ratio is a sweet spot on the road.
Not so much power that you can't use it all, but you do have to put your foot down, all the way down, to get the most out of it.
The weight means light enough for the bends, but not so light that it's horribly unrefined.
Direct with no power steering
No ABS, it's all done on pedal feel, and there's a lot of it.
It's not boring blue or gloomy grey.
It's not the best looking Ferrari but it is a Ferrari and not a Ford.
Well said Not so much power that you can't use it all, but you do have to put your foot down, all the way down, to get the most out of it.
The weight means light enough for the bends, but not so light that it's horribly unrefined.
Direct with no power steering
No ABS, it's all done on pedal feel, and there's a lot of it.
It's not boring blue or gloomy grey.
It's not the best looking Ferrari but it is a Ferrari and not a Ford.
Similar power and weight to a A110 isn't it? With with extra seats, and a manual gear box!
Probably around 15 seconds to 100mph for the 308
RichB said:
The MD of the first software company I worked at had a Ferrari, brown with custard yellow leather, like the one pictured. It spent more of it’s time at the garage being fixed than it did at our offices. You could tell when it had broken down again because his partner’s bright green 2CV would be in his parking space. Knowingly we’d wind him up by saying “Morning Mac, where’s the Ferrari?”
A brown 400 - the sybarite's choice. "Custard yellow" probably sounds better in Italian.
DuncanM said:
G Thang said:
The 255 bhp / 1150 kg power to weight ratio is a sweet spot on the road.
Not so much power that you can't use it all, but you do have to put your foot down, all the way down, to get the most out of it.
The weight means light enough for the bends, but not so light that it's horribly unrefined.
Direct with no power steering
No ABS, it's all done on pedal feel, and there's a lot of it.
It's not boring blue or gloomy grey.
It's not the best looking Ferrari but it is a Ferrari and not a Ford.
Well said Not so much power that you can't use it all, but you do have to put your foot down, all the way down, to get the most out of it.
The weight means light enough for the bends, but not so light that it's horribly unrefined.
Direct with no power steering
No ABS, it's all done on pedal feel, and there's a lot of it.
It's not boring blue or gloomy grey.
It's not the best looking Ferrari but it is a Ferrari and not a Ford.
Similar power and weight to a A110 isn't it? With with extra seats, and a manual gear box!
I wonder if there was one sitting in a room in Hethel, round about 2007.
Mid engine
2 plus 2
Excellent handling
Cab forward design
Driver focussed
I have always liked these as a left field choice. Once into the twisties, I doubt there was much that could keep up, much less a comparable 911..
Mid engine
2 plus 2
Excellent handling
Cab forward design
Driver focussed
I have always liked these as a left field choice. Once into the twisties, I doubt there was much that could keep up, much less a comparable 911..
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