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smithyithy said:
Pretty much. You could try to explain the joys of internal combustion and the mechanics and connection to what we would consider enthusiast cars, but most won't care, because a Tesla (or equivalent EV) is straight-line fast (the only performance metric actually relevant to them) and is more like another piece of tech than a piece of machinery.
Same reason you'd struggle to convince them of the virtues of a quality mechanical watch, then they'd just buy an Apple Watch instead.
Thing is, they're not inherently 'wrong' in those views. I don't agree with them, but I can't really argue with them
I'm 'only' 33 but even I feel old trying to convey how much me and others still like old ICE cars, mechanical watches, record players etc. There's no real interest in the analogue among the young generation. Of the many lads in their 20's I know or work / have worked with, there's probably only a couple really appreciate the 'older' stuff, the rest just aren't bothered and would just opt for the Tesla / iWatch..
I'm not sure the Apple/Samsung etc Watch comparison works. Mechanical watches generally do one thing, whereas the latest mini computers on your wrist bring a slew of extra things to the party - health monitor, GPS, Notifications, etc etc.Same reason you'd struggle to convince them of the virtues of a quality mechanical watch, then they'd just buy an Apple Watch instead.
Thing is, they're not inherently 'wrong' in those views. I don't agree with them, but I can't really argue with them
I'm 'only' 33 but even I feel old trying to convey how much me and others still like old ICE cars, mechanical watches, record players etc. There's no real interest in the analogue among the young generation. Of the many lads in their 20's I know or work / have worked with, there's probably only a couple really appreciate the 'older' stuff, the rest just aren't bothered and would just opt for the Tesla / iWatch..
Tesla, or EV's haven't brought anything extra, they just do the same as IC cars in a different way. Perhaps home refuelling is an extra, and what Harry didn't really touch on, the much better in-car computer screen experience in terms of responsiveness etc. But that's just doing something that already exists better. Which is what continues to mark Tesla out - they are more efficient and focused on being an EV.
The seats are rubbish in my experience, which considering it's from the US, home of armchairs on wheels, is slightly frustrating.
I didn't realise Tesla no longer sold a performance version of the 3.
So it's more expensive, slower (in both versions) and less practicalthan my MG, which also comes with a nob to select direction.
It's more efficient but that's about it. I can see why they're feeling the pinch from the Chinese.
So it's more expensive, slower (in both versions) and less practicalthan my MG, which also comes with a nob to select direction.
It's more efficient but that's about it. I can see why they're feeling the pinch from the Chinese.
Shiv_P said:
RicksAlfas said:
If Tesla insist on putting the indicator control on the steering wheel, wouldn't it make more sense to have the left button on the left and the right button on the right?
No, because that's an extra button, which adds costChocolateFrog said:
I didn't realise Tesla no longer sold a performance version of the 3
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That is literally about to change in the next day or so. All the big content creators were on a launch day a few weeks ago for the new Model 3 performance. It has circa 600bhp. Apparently they are already been produced in volume at their Shanghai factory. Global announcement should be very soon....
Chasing Potatoes said:
cerb4.5lee said:
whereas when I think of an EV, I immediately associate them with dullness rightly or wrongly.
I don't think you've mentioned that before.Character = faff. Fine for something that comes out of the garage once a week but what I want in a daily is a warm car at 0300am that I don't have to baby until the fluids are warm, that connects to my favourite podcast and does it all with the minimum of fuss while getting a move on for a few pence a mile.
There's literally no better option than an EV for me and those who think I'm less of an enthusiast because of it make me laugh.
EddieSteadyGo said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I didn't realise Tesla no longer sold a performance version of the 3
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That is literally about to change in the next day or so. All the big content creators were on a launch day a few weeks ago for the new Model 3 performance. It has circa 600bhp. Apparently they are already been produced in volume at their Shanghai factory. Global announcement should be very soon....
It'll be way too expensive but it'll be fun seeing the usual reviewers tying themselves in knots trying to portray how much better a 2T M product drives.
Did Tesla really think an ergonomic improvement of a touch screen gear selection was to put buttons on the roof? 
While I can just about get over it looking like a 21st century Ford Sierra, it would need a head-up display to make me want to spend any significant time behind the wheel.
While I can just about get over it looking like a 21st century Ford Sierra, it would need a head-up display to make me want to spend any significant time behind the wheel.
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Shiv_P said:
WestyCarl said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
DonkeyApple said:
True. It'll be very old and dull tech by then. Would need to be rebranded under the nostalgia or ironic mechanisms like early digital cameras.
Finally getting the self driving download might revitalise values of any that haven't fallen apart.
Maybe another negative is that unlike other cars built today these might be able to be updated to run future rules and regs that are due to become mandatory? Non compliance tends to be one of the appeals of older cars.
I also think PH as a whole has a tendency to over-estimate what your average car buyer is after - hence cars like the Qashqai being the biggest seller. I walk my dog daily and very few houses have anything special or 'a driver's car' parked up outside. It's generally 4-pot bangers of one sort of the other. Finally getting the self driving download might revitalise values of any that haven't fallen apart.
Maybe another negative is that unlike other cars built today these might be able to be updated to run future rules and regs that are due to become mandatory? Non compliance tends to be one of the appeals of older cars.
New car vs 3-4yrs old M3.
Uncle Meat said:
Did Tesla really think an ergonomic improvement of a touch screen gear selection was to put buttons on the roof?
While I can just about get over it looking like a 21st century Ford Sierra, it would need a head-up display to make me want to spend any significant time behind the wheel.
The "big idea" behind the removal of the indicator stalks, and moving the gear selector onto the screen, is all about the move towards autonomous cars. The buttons on the roof are only there as a backup if the screen fails, so ergonomics isn't really a factor.While I can just about get over it looking like a 21st century Ford Sierra, it would need a head-up display to make me want to spend any significant time behind the wheel.
Whether this is achievable or not is another question, but in the US particularly they are really going to push FSD very, very hard.
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