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[quote=Fessia fancier]Just in case Harry is reading this (fab channel by the way) in my experience every Fulvia had the steel parts of the subframe black from factory
I don’t think the orange paint on the crossmember will be factory body paint (though of course the car could be that colour from new, independent of that)
I agree.
Having watched this video, I really don't wish to rain on Harry's (Archaeological & Nostagic) Parade, but that flat orange colour beneath component mountings inside a Fulvia engine bay is not - in my limited experience - any sort of clue to the car's original colour - as he would like to interpret it - but rather seems to have been standard factory practice to help assembly-line workers identify the correct locations for fitting mechanical components.
My (original colour) 'Agnano Blue' 1973 Fulvia coupe has the same colour under some mounting points and (e.g.) things like the suspension tops or its subframe carry dashes of this same orange to show that they are present and fitted, or else that a tightened bolt has not rotated away from true.
Just saying, that's all...
I don’t think the orange paint on the crossmember will be factory body paint (though of course the car could be that colour from new, independent of that)
I agree.
Having watched this video, I really don't wish to rain on Harry's (Archaeological & Nostagic) Parade, but that flat orange colour beneath component mountings inside a Fulvia engine bay is not - in my limited experience - any sort of clue to the car's original colour - as he would like to interpret it - but rather seems to have been standard factory practice to help assembly-line workers identify the correct locations for fitting mechanical components.
My (original colour) 'Agnano Blue' 1973 Fulvia coupe has the same colour under some mounting points and (e.g.) things like the suspension tops or its subframe carry dashes of this same orange to show that they are present and fitted, or else that a tightened bolt has not rotated away from true.
Just saying, that's all...
Fessia fancier said:
DonkeyApple said:
Wasn't orange paint found on the rear where the rot was? I thought it was that discovery that confirmed what was only a suspicion formed from what had previously been found?
If that is the case then certainly that would be helpful.I assume that Zagato or Lancia didn't keep records or that they've been lost?
CostaBrava1972 said:
Fessia fancier said:
Just in case Harry is reading this (fab channel by the way) in my experience every Fulvia had the steel parts of the subframe black from factory
I don’t think the orange paint on the crossmember will be factory body paint (though of course the car could be that colour from new, independent of that)
I agree.
Having watched this video, I really don't wish to rain on Harry's (Archaeological & Nostagic) Parade, but that flat orange colour beneath component mountings inside a Fulvia engine bay is not - in my limited experience - any sort of clue to the car's original colour - as he would like to interpret it - but rather seems to have been standard factory practice to help assembly-line workers identify the correct locations for fitting mechanical components.
My (original colour) 'Agnano Blue' 1973 Fulvia coupe has the same colour under some mounting points and (e.g.) things like the suspension tops or its subframe carry dashes of this same orange to show that they are present and fitted, or else that a tightened bolt has not rotated away from true.
Just saying, that's all...
Thanks for info. I don’t think the orange paint on the crossmember will be factory body paint (though of course the car could be that colour from new, independent of that)
I agree.
Having watched this video, I really don't wish to rain on Harry's (Archaeological & Nostagic) Parade, but that flat orange colour beneath component mountings inside a Fulvia engine bay is not - in my limited experience - any sort of clue to the car's original colour - as he would like to interpret it - but rather seems to have been standard factory practice to help assembly-line workers identify the correct locations for fitting mechanical components.
My (original colour) 'Agnano Blue' 1973 Fulvia coupe has the same colour under some mounting points and (e.g.) things like the suspension tops or its subframe carry dashes of this same orange to show that they are present and fitted, or else that a tightened bolt has not rotated away from true.
Just saying, that's all...
Orange is the colour I remember first seeing on this car back in 1973 outside my parents house, when it would have been only months old, so I don't really need any more justifying to return it to that colour.
Maybe that orange is always there on that bit of the subframe and engine mount points, yet mine seems to be orange inside the rusted area at the back too. Whatever, it's going back to orange because that's the colour it was when I first saw it!
M4SER said:
As for the L322, all I can say is I'm sorry you picked one that didn't behave. Ours continues to cost us just routine servicing, despite having covered 120k miles and having a warranty on it that finally runs out in April 2021. Maybe that'll be when it will all go wrong!
I bought my L322 new and it now has 150,000 on the dials. Apart from the boot seal failing and causing some electrical issues (all fixed) I've not had any issues. A thirsty thing, but I'm rather attached to it.
M4SER said:
CostaBrava1972 said:
Fessia fancier said:
Just in case Harry is reading this (fab channel by the way) in my experience every Fulvia had the steel parts of the subframe black from factory
I don’t think the orange paint on the crossmember will be factory body paint (though of course the car could be that colour from new, independent of that)
I agree.
Having watched this video, I really don't wish to rain on Harry's (Archaeological & Nostagic) Parade, but that flat orange colour beneath component mountings inside a Fulvia engine bay is not - in my limited experience - any sort of clue to the car's original colour - as he would like to interpret it - but rather seems to have been standard factory practice to help assembly-line workers identify the correct locations for fitting mechanical components.
My (original colour) 'Agnano Blue' 1973 Fulvia coupe has the same colour under some mounting points and (e.g.) things like the suspension tops or its subframe carry dashes of this same orange to show that they are present and fitted, or else that a tightened bolt has not rotated away from true.
Just saying, that's all...
Thanks for info. I don’t think the orange paint on the crossmember will be factory body paint (though of course the car could be that colour from new, independent of that)
I agree.
Having watched this video, I really don't wish to rain on Harry's (Archaeological & Nostagic) Parade, but that flat orange colour beneath component mountings inside a Fulvia engine bay is not - in my limited experience - any sort of clue to the car's original colour - as he would like to interpret it - but rather seems to have been standard factory practice to help assembly-line workers identify the correct locations for fitting mechanical components.
My (original colour) 'Agnano Blue' 1973 Fulvia coupe has the same colour under some mounting points and (e.g.) things like the suspension tops or its subframe carry dashes of this same orange to show that they are present and fitted, or else that a tightened bolt has not rotated away from true.
Just saying, that's all...
Orange is the colour I remember first seeing on this car back in 1973 outside my parents house, when it would have been only months old, so I don't really need any more justifying to return it to that colour.
Maybe that orange is always there on that bit of the subframe and engine mount points, yet mine seems to be orange inside the rusted area at the back too. Whatever, it's going back to orange because that's the colour it was when I first saw it!
Re the end of term review on the BMW X5 x45e PHEV.
Bearing in mind that Harry M managed an average mpg of 60.3 iirc and over the total miles managed 4500 ish on electricity alone, how much relevance should we place on the various surveys on such as fleet users which claim poor fuel consumption and 3x more emissions than official figures. eg recent article in DT link
Surely it's not the fault of the vehicle but the users? Whilst I'm not a fan of what can be called compliance vehicles, ie those designed to meet some largely artificial regulations in order to save tax eg BIK, 60 mpg from a mahoosive petrol SUV has to be impressive, especially with that level of performance. Though staggered by that comment on why the charge rate is so slow, Germany being a bit backward there.
Still question the mechanical sense of a really complicated vehicle, far more complicated than simple ICE or pure EV, especially with the lack of mechanical sympathy with those frequent cold engine starts. Recall back in the day the extreme engine wear on Fords used on police traffic duties that would sit up on a motorway perch watching the traffic and then fired up and away on full welly on a grade 1 call, overhead cam wear was a real issue. Just feels wrong, have driven a couple of hybrids, both Toyotas by chance, maybe it's my driving style but the number of engine stops and starts was beyond surprising.
Anyway seems as usual Harry M cuts through the crap issued by various vested interests. Impressive as it is, funnily enough wouldn't buy it for the same reason as in the video, getting muck on trousers. Grrrr.
Bearing in mind that Harry M managed an average mpg of 60.3 iirc and over the total miles managed 4500 ish on electricity alone, how much relevance should we place on the various surveys on such as fleet users which claim poor fuel consumption and 3x more emissions than official figures. eg recent article in DT link
Surely it's not the fault of the vehicle but the users? Whilst I'm not a fan of what can be called compliance vehicles, ie those designed to meet some largely artificial regulations in order to save tax eg BIK, 60 mpg from a mahoosive petrol SUV has to be impressive, especially with that level of performance. Though staggered by that comment on why the charge rate is so slow, Germany being a bit backward there.
Still question the mechanical sense of a really complicated vehicle, far more complicated than simple ICE or pure EV, especially with the lack of mechanical sympathy with those frequent cold engine starts. Recall back in the day the extreme engine wear on Fords used on police traffic duties that would sit up on a motorway perch watching the traffic and then fired up and away on full welly on a grade 1 call, overhead cam wear was a real issue. Just feels wrong, have driven a couple of hybrids, both Toyotas by chance, maybe it's my driving style but the number of engine stops and starts was beyond surprising.
Anyway seems as usual Harry M cuts through the crap issued by various vested interests. Impressive as it is, funnily enough wouldn't buy it for the same reason as in the video, getting muck on trousers. Grrrr.
FiF said:
Re the end of term review on the BMW X5 x45e PHEV.
Bearing in mind that Harry M managed an average mpg of 60.3 iirc and over the total miles managed 4500 ish on electricity alone, how much relevance should we place on the various surveys on such as fleet users which claim poor fuel consumption and 3x more emissions than official figures. eg recent article in DT link
Surely it's not the fault of the vehicle but the users? Whilst I'm not a fan of what can be called compliance vehicles, ie those designed to meet some largely artificial regulations in order to save tax eg BIK, 60 mpg from a mahoosive petrol SUV has to be impressive, especially with that level of performance. Though staggered by that comment on why the charge rate is so slow, Germany being a bit backward there.
Still question the mechanical sense of a really complicated vehicle, far more complicated than simple ICE or pure EV, especially with the lack of mechanical sympathy with those frequent cold engine starts. Recall back in the day the extreme engine wear on Fords used on police traffic duties that would sit up on a motorway perch watching the traffic and then fired up and away on full welly on a grade 1 call, overhead cam wear was a real issue. Just feels wrong, have driven a couple of hybrids, both Toyotas by chance, maybe it's my driving style but the number of engine stops and starts was beyond surprising.
Anyway seems as usual Harry M cuts through the crap issued by various vested interests. Impressive as it is, funnily enough wouldn't buy it for the same reason as in the video, getting muck on trousers. Grrrr.
What I wondered about was whether the 60-odd MPG took into account the mileage on electricity. In other words, was it 60MPG when the engine was running and the electric mileage was separate, or was the total cost the petrol for the 4,500 miles at (say) 30 MPG plus electricity for the balance of say 4,500 miles. 30 MPG for the actual petrol bit in that car would be pretty good I guess anyway.Bearing in mind that Harry M managed an average mpg of 60.3 iirc and over the total miles managed 4500 ish on electricity alone, how much relevance should we place on the various surveys on such as fleet users which claim poor fuel consumption and 3x more emissions than official figures. eg recent article in DT link
Surely it's not the fault of the vehicle but the users? Whilst I'm not a fan of what can be called compliance vehicles, ie those designed to meet some largely artificial regulations in order to save tax eg BIK, 60 mpg from a mahoosive petrol SUV has to be impressive, especially with that level of performance. Though staggered by that comment on why the charge rate is so slow, Germany being a bit backward there.
Still question the mechanical sense of a really complicated vehicle, far more complicated than simple ICE or pure EV, especially with the lack of mechanical sympathy with those frequent cold engine starts. Recall back in the day the extreme engine wear on Fords used on police traffic duties that would sit up on a motorway perch watching the traffic and then fired up and away on full welly on a grade 1 call, overhead cam wear was a real issue. Just feels wrong, have driven a couple of hybrids, both Toyotas by chance, maybe it's my driving style but the number of engine stops and starts was beyond surprising.
Anyway seems as usual Harry M cuts through the crap issued by various vested interests. Impressive as it is, funnily enough wouldn't buy it for the same reason as in the video, getting muck on trousers. Grrrr.
The answer may well be in the video, but I am not sure.
It's frustrating, as these PHEVs are almost exactly what would be ideal for my dad to replace his old 3-series touring, but the 330e touring towing limit is slightly lower than his current car's at 1600kg vs 1800kg, and while the SUVs have a reasonable towing limit, they're a bit pricey, and don't seem to be particularly capable off-tarmac.
If they did a 530e touring, that may work well for him, but I'm not sure I could get him to try one as he really didn't like the E34 he had!
If they did a 530e touring, that may work well for him, but I'm not sure I could get him to try one as he really didn't like the E34 he had!
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