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Jake899 said:
I propose that everyone here who is raving about Harry's Jaguar has never owned an old V12. Lovely the 5% of the time they are in tune or don't need fettling.
Given that it’s just been rebuilt, I’d say there’s a very small chance that it’ll loose tune or need fettling. Also it’s an engine that doesn’t require lots of work to maintain it, if it’s looked after properly. The problem is that the V12 engine are in cars that were very cheap to buy, so the owners didn’t bother looking after the engine properly.J4CKO said:
Immaterial I guess as don't think HM will be selling any time soon but if it stands him at 70 ish grand, to me it looks like its worth every penny as you could buy a nice one for 20/25 ? but its had so many upgrades, you know there is no hidden grot and it will just be so much better than any other out there I expect in terms of condition and how it drives.
Also, its got some provenance given who had it built and its now a well known car, I think its definitely up there now, cant really compare it with the average XJ-C, near as dammit a new car in a lot of ways.
It will be £50K + currently. How + is open to question but these are rare and heading in one direction.Also, its got some provenance given who had it built and its now a well known car, I think its definitely up there now, cant really compare it with the average XJ-C, near as dammit a new car in a lot of ways.
Not that it matters I suspect - I'd do the same as Harry!
Jake899 said:
I propose that everyone here who is raving about Harry's Jaguar has never owned an old V12. Lovely the 5% of the time they are in tune or don't need fettling.
You can fit digital engine management to these engines , no reason why they would go out of tune , but every old car needs occasional fettling , i think that's half the fun liner33 said:
Jake899 said:
I propose that everyone here who is raving about Harry's Jaguar has never owned an old V12. Lovely the 5% of the time they are in tune or don't need fettling.
You can fit digital engine management to these engines , no reason why they would go out of tune , but every old car needs occasional fettling , i think that's half the fun liner33 said:
Jake899 said:
I propose that everyone here who is raving about Harry's Jaguar has never owned an old V12. Lovely the 5% of the time they are in tune or don't need fettling.
You can fit digital engine management to these engines , no reason why they would go out of tune , but every old car needs occasional fettling , i think that's half the fun 14 said:
Jake899 said:
I propose that everyone here who is raving about Harry's Jaguar has never owned an old V12. Lovely the 5% of the time they are in tune or don't need fettling.
Given that it’s just been rebuilt, I’d say there’s a very small chance that it’ll loose tune or need fettling. Also it’s an engine that doesn’t require lots of work to maintain it, if it’s looked after properly. The problem is that the V12 engine are in cars that were very cheap to buy, so the owners didn’t bother looking after the engine properly.I would put an old Jag as a similar experience to an old Mercedes. Lots of areas to improve what was a solid car. But don't expect every car to be this.
The 3 handed game Avengers F1 scene illustrates harrys point about the Broadspeed being a bit mouth and no trousers. Click on the link..
https://youtu.be/8l_Bz_OHhxg
Jules Sunley said:
Today was a good viewing day. The Jag is lovely, and the collab' videos with Jonny LBS Smith were brilliant. Thanks to both of you.
It turned into a very busy Sunday! Shame the audio levels are a bit hit and miss on the LBS vids, really not sure what happened there but Part 2 seemed to have less issues than part 1, which was good news. Part 1 could have been an hour plus but good it was cut down to thirty odd minutes, as it gives scope for doing another some day.. M4SER said:
Jules Sunley said:
Today was a good viewing day. The Jag is lovely, and the collab' videos with Jonny LBS Smith were brilliant. Thanks to both of you.
It turned into a very busy Sunday! Shame the audio levels are a bit hit and miss on the LBS vids, really not sure what happened there but Part 2 seemed to have less issues than part 1, which was good news. Part 1 could have been an hour plus but good it was cut down to thirty odd minutes, as it gives scope for doing another some day.. J4CKO said:
Doofus said:
Skeptisk said:
Probably only real negative is the fuel consumption. However it probably isn’t losing any value so there is no depreciation to worry about and not losing 15%-20% of value every year, like most new cars, would buy a lot of petrol.
Yes, but it's already worth a lot less than it cost to build.Also, its got some provenance given who had it built and its now a well known car, I think its definitely up there now, cant really compare it with the average XJ-C, near as dammit a new car in a lot of ways.
£25k would only buy you a V12 runner for restoration these days, or maybe an okay 4.2. I think there's recognition (finally) the V12 XJ-CC is a rare, handsome car but the cost of restoration is relatively high, hence why restored V12 Coupes are so highly sort after today.
liner33 said:
You can fit digital engine management to these engines , no reason why they would go out of tune , but every old car needs occasional fettling , i think that's half the fun
Part of the Jaguar V12’s charm in comparison to its Italian (and later German) peers was its remarkable straightforwardness. They’re bulletproof in standard trim with a modicum of maintenance. With a tweak they can quickly become sensational.I’ve just watched Harry’s video and it is probably my favourite one. Other than my love of the car and what has been done is the sheer joy evident in Harry. This is what motoring fun is really about - every single £ well spent when it releases pure, unbridled emotion.
Love it.
M4SER said:
I think you'd be very surprised at what good XJ-C sell for these days. I've had offers over what mine cost me to build already and I know of a low mileage, standard spec V12 XJ-C that sold for £85k around 6 months ago and another restored car that's up for £100k right now and is already under offer.
£25k would only buy you a V12 runner for restoration these days, or maybe an okay 4.2. I think there's recognition (finally) the V12 XJ-CC is a rare, handsome car but the cost of restoration is relatively high, hence why restored V12 Coupes are so highly sort after today.
More evidence that the world has gone bad. The XJ-C was a compromised low budget bodge back in the day and has Harry has demonstrated, even when 5 figure sums are thrown at them, you still have a structurally compromised vehicle with engineering flaws that the factory built into them.£25k would only buy you a V12 runner for restoration these days, or maybe an okay 4.2. I think there's recognition (finally) the V12 XJ-CC is a rare, handsome car but the cost of restoration is relatively high, hence why restored V12 Coupes are so highly sort after today.
The 2 door look never worked for me but would live with it if prices were less "emperor's new clothes".
Considering that £30K buys you a far superior XJS which which is a better (if still flawed) proposition, clearly, my opinion is not the common view.
I love Harry's car and am delighted that he's made such a good example out of what was a bit of a dog.
This latest video is fabulous and am looking forward to the next Fulvia instalment.
Caddyshack said:
I think many old cars could be a lot better with a modern ecu etc. My Cosworth was transformed with modern ecu, turbo and injectors. I imagine an F40 could be made better with some modern bits.
My mate has just done the same with his Skyline , Haltech ecu, modern turbo and injectors , runs better than it ever did with so much more controlPistom said:
M4SER said:
I think you'd be very surprised at what good XJ-C sell for these days. I've had offers over what mine cost me to build already and I know of a low mileage, standard spec V12 XJ-C that sold for £85k around 6 months ago and another restored car that's up for £100k right now and is already under offer.
£25k would only buy you a V12 runner for restoration these days, or maybe an okay 4.2. I think there's recognition (finally) the V12 XJ-CC is a rare, handsome car but the cost of restoration is relatively high, hence why restored V12 Coupes are so highly sort after today.
More evidence that the world has gone bad. The XJ-C was a compromised low budget bodge back in the day and has Harry has demonstrated, even when 5 figure sums are thrown at them, you still have a structurally compromised vehicle with engineering flaws that the factory built into them.£25k would only buy you a V12 runner for restoration these days, or maybe an okay 4.2. I think there's recognition (finally) the V12 XJ-CC is a rare, handsome car but the cost of restoration is relatively high, hence why restored V12 Coupes are so highly sort after today.
The 2 door look never worked for me but would live with it if prices were less "emperor's new clothes".
Considering that £30K buys you a far superior XJS which which is a better (if still flawed) proposition, clearly, my opinion is not the common view.
I love Harry's car and am delighted that he's made such a good example out of what was a bit of a dog.
This latest video is fabulous and am looking forward to the next Fulvia instalment.
liner33 said:
Caddyshack said:
I think many old cars could be a lot better with a modern ecu etc. My Cosworth was transformed with modern ecu, turbo and injectors. I imagine an F40 could be made better with some modern bits.
My mate has just done the same with his Skyline , Haltech ecu, modern turbo and injectors , runs better than it ever did with so much more controlM4SER said:
I think you'd be very surprised at what good XJ-C sell for these days. I've had offers over what mine cost me to build already and I know of a low mileage, standard spec V12 XJ-C that sold for £85k around 6 months ago and another restored car that's up for £100k right now and is already under offer.
£25k would only buy you a V12 runner for restoration these days, or maybe an okay 4.2. I think there's recognition (finally) the V12 XJ-CC is a rare, handsome car but the cost of restoration is relatively high, hence why restored V12 Coupes are so highly sort after today.
And this is kind of proof that the classic world is bonkers at the moment.£25k would only buy you a V12 runner for restoration these days, or maybe an okay 4.2. I think there's recognition (finally) the V12 XJ-CC is a rare, handsome car but the cost of restoration is relatively high, hence why restored V12 Coupes are so highly sort after today.
Throughout history, the only certainty that classic car owners have had is that their car is worth less than they've spent on it.
If we now live in a world where full restoration is a wise financial move then nothing makes sense any more.
Doofus said:
And this is kind of proof that the classic world is bonkers at the moment.
Throughout history, the only certainty that classic car owners have had is that their car is worth less than they've spent on it.
If we now live in a world where full restoration is a wise financial move then nothing makes sense any more.
Not so. The £100k XJ-C I mentioned that's up for sale currently had a near £200k restoration carried out on it a few years ago. Mine was more of a makeover than a full restoration. There's a huge difference in the number of hours involved on a true restoration and the number of parts renewed or renovated. Throughout history, the only certainty that classic car owners have had is that their car is worth less than they've spent on it.
If we now live in a world where full restoration is a wise financial move then nothing makes sense any more.
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