Harry's Garage - YouTube

[ChocolateFrog]

dobly said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Most manufacturers won't make what they can't sell.

Look at Honda, they've made some cracking cars like the first Insight and the Honda E but the one they're going to make money on will be that stupidly named one that costs £200pm. ENy.1 or something like that.

I don’t like Honda’s chances of selling many of those - it just isn’t a Jazz or a Civic Type R or a CR-V - it’s a nothing from what I have seen and read, and no better than any of it’s distinctly underwhelming direct competitors. Could be another nail in the coffin for Honda in the UK if there are no follow-up EVs soon. Will probably sell well in parts of Asia and in a few other locations around the globe.

I've seen more of them than I have of Honda E's already.

I was thinking earlier that someone at work has a Citroën Ami.

That's exactly what Harry is talking about yet that's the only one I've ever seen.

Can't think why

[Olivera]

DonkeyApple said:

We even have the option in the U.K. to slip on 2035 if the economic mobility of some transpires to be hindered too much with temporary exemptions on say the cheapest and most efficient ICE. We don't, after all need everyone to switch as the target is for a net result not gross.

The 2035 can is certain to be kicked down the road. In fact if any PHer is willing to take me up on it, I'm willing to bet £100 to charity that it happens

[ChocolateFrog]

I would have loved to convert my Insight into a full EV when the original hybrid battery finally died.

Shame that I didn't have the time or resources to do it justice but a 750-850kg car with a low and slippery shape and circa 120-150hp with a modest sized battery would be an absolute hoot.

It was good enough to drive as standard. 6 miles per kWh should be achievable so a 30kWh battery would be enough for a decent range.

Would cost a fortune to pay someone else to do it though.

[ChocolateFrog]

Olivera said:

DonkeyApple said:

We even have the option in the U.K. to slip on 2035 if the economic mobility of some transpires to be hindered too much with temporary exemptions on say the cheapest and most efficient ICE. We don't, after all need everyone to switch as the target is for a net result not gross.

The 2035 can is certain to be kicked down the road. In fact if any PHer is willing to take me up on it, I'm willing to bet £100 to charity that it happens

Will be interesting to see the way the no confidence vote in Yusef goes seeing as that's been brought about entirely because of these arbitrary climate pledges.

[cerb4.5lee]

smithyithy said:

More the fact that there's a Tesla Model 3, and there's a BMW M3. Two brands, two models. There is no Tesla M3 and it saves milliseconds at best typing it instead of Model 3

ETA: It definitely feels like an American thing that's spread out, though. On the main cars Subreddits, the Americans absolutely love their abbreviations, eg. a Focus RS is a FoRS, a Fiesta ST is a FiST etc..

I'm letting this bother me more than it should

Edited by smithyithy on Thursday 25th April 11:55

You also never know...and Tesla might actually do it properly one day, and actually put engines into their cars, rather than all this messing/faffing around with batteries!

[NomduJour]

cerb4.5lee said:

You also never know...and Tesla might actually do it properly one day, and actually put engines into their cars, rather than all this messing/faffing around with batteries!

Fisker Karma > VL Destino

(V8 Teslas have been done)

[DonkeyApple]

Olivera said:

DonkeyApple said:

We even have the option in the U.K. to slip on 2035 if the economic mobility of some transpires to be hindered too much with temporary exemptions on say the cheapest and most efficient ICE. We don't, after all need everyone to switch as the target is for a net result not gross.

The 2035 can is certain to be kicked down the road. In fact if any PHer is willing to take me up on it, I'm willing to bet £100 to charity that it happens

But not in its entirety. It'll slip if it needs to be it'll be done in a way that won't assist this who want to keep buying new ICE but just those who cannot buy a new EV and run it due to low income. Ie, someone will need to apply for the right to purchase a Motobility type object.

The true issue is loony local barons of the devolved powers. They are the people trying to force change in the least affluent car users and as the majority of low income earners exist in their serfdoms then they're screwed if they genuinely can't switch to EV as these local policy makers have to date run bottom up policies against cars, specifically targeting the least well off.

[otolith]

The tanker has already been turned round, I don't think manufacturers will be lobbying to move 2035 when we're closer to it and all their product plans are aligned to it.

[Shiv_P]

smithyithy said:

More the fact that there's a Tesla Model 3, and there's a BMW M3. Two brands, two models. There is no Tesla M3 and it saves milliseconds at best typing it instead of Model 3

ETA: It definitely feels like an American thing that's spread out, though. On the main cars Subreddits, the Americans absolutely love their abbreviations, eg. a Focus RS is a FoRS, a Fiesta ST is a FiST etc..

I'm letting this bother me more than it should

Edited by smithyithy on Thursday 25th April 11:55

I propose:
Tesla Mod3

[Doofus]

TesMoS
Tesmo3 (TesMoB)
TesmoX
TesMoY
TeswankerTruck
etc

[h0b0]

TM3

[greggy50]

Interesting M2 review, its going to be hard to resist modifying mine once it arrives in a few weeks

Areeve do a plug and play box to 580bhp for £1,200 which avoids rthe need to send the ECU off.

I did swap from Black to Red paint and almost regret it now. However when lowered slightly with some spacers the looks do grow on you imo.

[DuncanM]

greggy50 said:

Interesting M2 review, its going to be hard to resist modifying mine once it arrives in a few weeks

Areeve do a plug and play box to 580bhp for £1,200 which avoids rthe need to send the ECU off.

I did swap from Black to Red paint and almost regret it now. However when lowered slightly with some spacers the looks do grow on you imo.

Having seen the new 2 on the road, I love the looks, M2 will look amazing I imagine.

I preferred the light blue with black wheels Harry tested, although I understand the marmite appeal of black for wheels, it's body colour dependant for me (black body way better with silver wheels).

[ChocolateFrog]

I actually really like the looks of the new M2 which seems contrary to most people.

Future classic IMO and still available with a manual and no hybridisation in sight.

Don't like the black or the blue of the other one he tested but a darker colour with silver wheels

[Truckosaurus]

Indeed. I suspect the few that are specced as manual will be sought after in the future.

Not convinced by the black colour (on camera at least) as it does hide the styling (which Harry thought was a good idea). The blue car with grey/silver wheels would look better.

[Tindersticks]

Stonking engine that but looks like a real handful in the wet.

I think the looks are ok apart from the front but any M2 is a hell of a car.

[soxboy]

Anyone spot the little square of tape over the speedo? (At 7:42)

[CLK-GTR]

Brilliant car made better by the looks of things but i couldnt be seen in one. Black is a good colour to hide the lines but it still looks like each body panel was designed by a different person and none of them have ever met each other.

[WPA]

Last 2 videos have not interested me at all.

[sturge7878]

DonkeyApple said:

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We even have the option in the U.K. to slip on 2035

Yep. Zev nonsense = toast.

Edited by sturge7878 on Sunday 28th April 21:55