24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
Just caught up on this latest double episode, pretty tragic event involving a group with a rather sad narrow outlook on life. Perpetrators were both a pair of idiots with an obsession with being a 'gangster' or being known as the local nutcases, couldnt even resist bragging about criminal life to the film crew, seen enough of these kind of documentaries to see thats often a trend with people like this.
Main perp seemed to have an extra level of psychotic tendency in this, way too calm about the whole thing, the planning, buying the black clothes, marching your friend out to the woods, killing them over the sake of a bit of bottom level weed selling? Wonder if the accomplice ever really thought they were going to kill the guy but was liking the idea of the gangland drug dealer scaring the s
t out of this guy, maybe kick him in a bit. Too late for that though because thats what they did, murdered him and now doing a life sentence for it.
Feel bad for the victim, not sure I saw a scumbag drug dealer like some others have mentioned but looking at him and his rather ditsy girlfriend, seemed a bit of a soft gullible easily led type, theres a reason he was the one taken advantage of by the other two, sadly to the point of his own murder.
Main perp seemed to have an extra level of psychotic tendency in this, way too calm about the whole thing, the planning, buying the black clothes, marching your friend out to the woods, killing them over the sake of a bit of bottom level weed selling? Wonder if the accomplice ever really thought they were going to kill the guy but was liking the idea of the gangland drug dealer scaring the s
t out of this guy, maybe kick him in a bit. Too late for that though because thats what they did, murdered him and now doing a life sentence for it.Feel bad for the victim, not sure I saw a scumbag drug dealer like some others have mentioned but looking at him and his rather ditsy girlfriend, seemed a bit of a soft gullible easily led type, theres a reason he was the one taken advantage of by the other two, sadly to the point of his own murder.
Meridius said:
Just caught up on this latest double episode, pretty tragic event involving a group with a rather sad narrow outlook on life. Perpetrators were both a pair of idiots with an obsession with being a 'gangster' or being known as the local nutcases, couldnt even resist bragging about criminal life to the film crew, seen enough of these kind of documentaries to see thats often a trend with people like this.
Main perp seemed to have an extra level of psychotic tendency in this, way too calm about the whole thing, the planning, buying the black clothes, marching your friend out to the woods, killing them over the sake of a bit of bottom level weed selling? Wonder if the accomplice ever really thought they were going to kill the guy but was liking the idea of the gangland drug dealer scaring the st out of this guy, maybe kick him in a bit. Too late for that though because thats what they did, murdered him and now doing a life sentence for it.
Feel bad for the victim, not sure I saw a scumbag drug dealer like some others have mentioned but looking at him and his rather ditsy girlfriend, seemed a bit of a soft gullible easily led type, theres a reason he was the one taken advantage of by the other two, sadly to the point of his own murder.
I got the impression it was Jordan that thought he could use the local 'ard nut (Ashley) to do his dirty work and then distance himself if/when it got serious. He naively seemed to think that if it wasn't him that actually plunged the knife then he would be able to wriggle out of a charge. I imagine the coercion was something like "you get rid of him and I'll set you up in his place"...Main perp seemed to have an extra level of psychotic tendency in this, way too calm about the whole thing, the planning, buying the black clothes, marching your friend out to the woods, killing them over the sake of a bit of bottom level weed selling? Wonder if the accomplice ever really thought they were going to kill the guy but was liking the idea of the gangland drug dealer scaring the s
t out of this guy, maybe kick him in a bit. Too late for that though because thats what they did, murdered him and now doing a life sentence for it.Feel bad for the victim, not sure I saw a scumbag drug dealer like some others have mentioned but looking at him and his rather ditsy girlfriend, seemed a bit of a soft gullible easily led type, theres a reason he was the one taken advantage of by the other two, sadly to the point of his own murder.
Obviously the law doesn't quite work like that and he's discovering he's not the criminal mastermind he thought he was. I agree, somewhat psychotic.
Amazing that the 2 idiots had no clue about joint enterprise and tried to blame the other for the murder when as we all know it would make no difference to the outcome. If they had just kept their mouths shut they just might have had a chance of getting away with it in court as the evidence against them was thin and could have been argued away by a decent QC. Good that they got convicted though.
DoubleSix said:
Why turn phones off at all? Why not leave them on and at home?? Or in the boot of someones car to be driven around.
Anything other than what they did basically.
Yep. If you are going to do something nefarious. Your phone should be doing what you usually do. So say you usually sleep, at home, between 22:00 and 06:00. Your phone should be at home during those times, as should any other phones your phone is usually near.Anything other than what they did basically.
Also it's not about location services. They consider what masts your phone is in contact with at what times. So turning off GPS will have feck all difference.
Did they not realise this stuff? Did they not expect to be doing what they ended up doing? Who knows. But what they did do didn't help them (which is good)
Gameface said:
DoubleSix said:
I got the impression it was Jordan that thought he could use the local 'ard nut (Ashley)
The hard nut who threatens to hurt people when handcuffed? Or the hard nut who cries when questioned?I was looking at it from their position (as I thought was obvious).
DoubleSix said:
Gameface said:
DoubleSix said:
I got the impression it was Jordan that thought he could use the local 'ard nut (Ashley)
The hard nut who threatens to hurt people when handcuffed? Or the hard nut who cries when questioned?I was looking at it from their position (as I thought was obvious).
Was simply highlighting how laughable their hard nut personas are.
Gameface said:
It was obvious. I wasn't having a dig at you.
Was simply highlighting how laughable their hard nut personas are.
The thing that I take away from this is that effectively we have lost three lives. One dead and two serving life sentences.Was simply highlighting how laughable their hard nut personas are.
O.K. they weren't fine upstanding citizens - three half-wits selling cheap drugs to the other local half-wits. But they were keeping out of my way.
Where are we now? Apart from the cost of keeping the two in jail, the cost of the police investigation and the cost of keeping the two in jail for donkeys years. And when they come out the will be fine law abiding citizens - will they? Perhaps not!
Perhaps I have the wrong attitude, but I just keep counting the cost.
The Mad Monk said:
The thing that I take away from this is that effectively we have lost three lives. One dead and two serving life sentences.
O.K. they weren't fine upstanding citizens - three half-wits selling cheap drugs to the other local half-wits. But they were keeping out of my way.
Where are we now? Apart from the cost of keeping the two in jail, the cost of the police investigation and the cost of keeping the two in jail for donkeys years. And when they come out the will be fine law abiding citizens - will they? Perhaps not!
Perhaps I have the wrong attitude, but I just keep counting the cost.
But that's the price we pay with our taxes. O.K. they weren't fine upstanding citizens - three half-wits selling cheap drugs to the other local half-wits. But they were keeping out of my way.
Where are we now? Apart from the cost of keeping the two in jail, the cost of the police investigation and the cost of keeping the two in jail for donkeys years. And when they come out the will be fine law abiding citizens - will they? Perhaps not!
Perhaps I have the wrong attitude, but I just keep counting the cost.
Happy to pay taxes to keep law and order and keep prisoners locked up.
Yeah but there’s no meaningful intervention in these feral kids& families until they’re too old to influence. David Cameron tried with his troubled families programme but it hasn’t really had much impact. Plus in effect the public have prevented schools being able to discipline, (instant complaint and pic in the paper when called out) and like everything else there’s no consequence.
tim0409 said:
Gameface said:
Murder 24/7 on BBC2 tonight at 21.00 might be of interest to some posters on this thread.
Thanks for the heads up; 10 mins in and I'm finding the format really annoying - no need for the spilt screen, descriptions, and the overly intrusive music. Interesting though.Had it on in the background and thought it was too drawn out and list interest, was there any closure or is it a two part?
Found it interesting that the police had an infrared drone, would be a game changer if they had them standard in the boot of every police car.
So much quicker response than sending up a conventional chopper.
Found it interesting that the police had an infrared drone, would be a game changer if they had them standard in the boot of every police car.
So much quicker response than sending up a conventional chopper.
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