24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
I didn't get a chance to watch all of it, but I saw the part where the police raided that guy's house (the teacher?). Real life drama beats acting hands down. I'm surprised that they're allowed to film that sort of thing - the guy's reaction was a sort of mixture of terror and relief, as if he knew all along that he'd get caught some day. But his wife! Poor b*gger, what a way to find out. The authorities who have to deal with these cases get my utmost sympathy.
It's all too easy to call these people all the names under the sun, and feel total loathing for them, but a sexual fetish is a hard thing to control. Just look at all the other things people get up to - I sometimes wonder just what percentage of the population have what is supposed to be a "normal" sex life.
It's all too easy to call these people all the names under the sun, and feel total loathing for them, but a sexual fetish is a hard thing to control. Just look at all the other things people get up to - I sometimes wonder just what percentage of the population have what is supposed to be a "normal" sex life.
It seemed like a response to the team in the car rather than the husband, presumably they were looking for some kind of reassurance that she wasn't about to rip his head off as soon as the door closed and were giving her the thumbs up (and maybe a raised eyebrow) to ask if things were OK.
Presumably it's this:
http://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/ex_employee_of_st_al...
Presumably it's this:
http://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/ex_employee_of_st_al...
Edited by thetapeworm on Tuesday 4th August 12:50
PurpleTurtle said:
I also got the impression that bearded teacher bloke knew that knock on the door would come one day, he seemed almost relieved.
Really felt for his missus, but somewhat shocked at the leniency of the sentence. 45,000 images is quite a library, I would imagine.
I'm guessing he had some kind of compulsion for collecting as much as he did viewing - he even said that he hadn't even looked at some of the images he had. Without knowing much about this kind of thing presumably he was grabbing zipped archives (or similar) that had been put together from other "collectors".Really felt for his missus, but somewhat shocked at the leniency of the sentence. 45,000 images is quite a library, I would imagine.
It would be much more reassuring to hear these kind of arrests eventually led back to the people making the images (in the actual sense of the work rather than the odd police version).
Don't bite my head off, but did anyone else feel that the dark-haired policewoman was going beyond the needs of the the investigation in the second interview when she was asking the guy things like "Why are you stimulated by these images?" He had already admitted the offence and her line of questioning didn't seem to be one which would yield anything of benefit and didn't seem to be a question he was qualified to answer. It seemed rather moralistic and irrelevant to her role as an investigator.
I feel that the little homilies we hear from the police on the steps of the court after a conviction are similarly superfluous and a kind of throwback to the days when the police, rather than the CPS, brought the prosecution. I tend to think that it should be the role of the police to investigate the facts rather than to deliver moral lectures.
I feel that the little homilies we hear from the police on the steps of the court after a conviction are similarly superfluous and a kind of throwback to the days when the police, rather than the CPS, brought the prosecution. I tend to think that it should be the role of the police to investigate the facts rather than to deliver moral lectures.
rohrl said:
Don't bite my head off, but did anyone else feel that the dark-haired policewoman was going beyond the needs of the the investigation in the second interview when she was asking the guy things like "Why are you stimulated by these images?".
She said she was "not judging" ... yea right! She had 'judging' tattooed to her forehead. (No excuse for him of course, but she was rubbish).GetCarter said:
rohrl said:
Don't bite my head off, but did anyone else feel that the dark-haired policewoman was going beyond the needs of the the investigation in the second interview when she was asking the guy things like "Why are you stimulated by these images?".
She said she was "not judging" ... yea right! She had 'judging' tattooed to her forehead. (No excuse for him of course, but she was rubbish).The chap who worked at the school seemed relived to be able to confess and open up about it. I read a piece from the parents of April Jones where they were saying that there needs to be somewhere people can go to admit their urges and get help. If people are helped to control these then it would lead to less child abuse. It seems odd that we try and help so many people with their urges and compulsions, but there is nothing set up for people who know they are attracted to children and want help.
Edited to include link http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/09/par...
Edited to include link http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/09/par...
Spiffing said:
The chap who worked at the school seemed relived to be able to confess and open up about it. I read a piece from the parents of April Jones where they were saying that there needs to be somewhere people can go to admit their urges and get help. If people are helped to control these then it would lead to less child abuse. It seems odd that we try and help so many people with their urges and compulsions, but there is nothing set up for people who know they are attracted to children and want help.
What help can you give someone? I would imagine they have no more control than someone who is straight or gay or people that like fat girls or people that like dressing up as babies or people that have any other sexual preference.
el stovey said:
What help can you give someone?
I would imagine they have no more control than someone who is straight or gay or people that like fat girls or people that like dressing up as babies or people that have any other sexual preference.
I guess (I'm no expert) that you treat it like any other kind of addiction or any other compulsive behaviour you rationally know is wrong.I would imagine they have no more control than someone who is straight or gay or people that like fat girls or people that like dressing up as babies or people that have any other sexual preference.
I got the impression that it is very rare to get a hands-up, full and frank, 'you've got me bang to rights' admission from somebody who didn't seek to excuse his behaviour one little bit. Usual fodder is to go 'No Commnent' on the advice of a brief.
She came across a teeny bit as living out her own Clarice Starling moment, but I dare say I'd be asking the same questions if presented with somebody who was so matter of fact about it, in the hope of gaining a small understanding of what makes such people tick.
She is a mother herself, and despite training and professional detachment, I suspect many would struggle not to judge him.
It did make me wonder about the intel they have? I have a mental image of a massive spreadsheet from an ISP: Name, address, occupation, number of images ... filter on column 'C' for occupations involving access to children, sort descending on Column 'D' .... nick that bloke. Is that how it works?
She came across a teeny bit as living out her own Clarice Starling moment, but I dare say I'd be asking the same questions if presented with somebody who was so matter of fact about it, in the hope of gaining a small understanding of what makes such people tick.
She is a mother herself, and despite training and professional detachment, I suspect many would struggle not to judge him.
It did make me wonder about the intel they have? I have a mental image of a massive spreadsheet from an ISP: Name, address, occupation, number of images ... filter on column 'C' for occupations involving access to children, sort descending on Column 'D' .... nick that bloke. Is that how it works?
Spiffing said:
The chap who worked at the school seemed relived to be able to confess and open up about it. I read a piece from the parents of April Jones where they were saying that there needs to be somewhere people can go to admit their urges and get help. If people are helped to control these then it would lead to less child abuse. It seems odd that we try and help so many people with their urges and compulsions, but there is nothing set up for people who know they are attracted to children and want help.
The Lucy Faithfull Foundation exist to reduce the risk of children being abused and as part of that work they run the Stop It Now! campaign which reaches out to adults concerned about their own behaviour towards children, or that of someone they know, as well as professionals, survivors and protective adults.http://lucyfaithfull.org/
What exactly is the point of blanking them out when it will be quite obvious to anyone who knows them who they are - and they essentially showed their faces but in bits.
Does anyone know if there is a legal reason that prevents them showing the suspect and they have just done a token job or have they just tried to do the suspects a favour by not totally revealing them?
Does anyone know if there is a legal reason that prevents them showing the suspect and they have just done a token job or have they just tried to do the suspects a favour by not totally revealing them?
thetapeworm said:
It seemed like a response to the team in the car rather than the husband, presumably they were looking for some kind of reassurance that she wasn't about to rip his head off as soon as the door closed and were giving her the thumbs up (and maybe a raised eyebrow) to ask if things were OK.
Presumably it's this:
http://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/ex_employee_of_st_al...
This was the first case involving the Doctor: http://www.leightonbuzzardonline.co.uk/news/local-...Presumably it's this:
http://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/ex_employee_of_st_al...
Edited by thetapeworm on Tuesday 4th August 12:50
Channel 4 did doc a few months ago about a guy who opened up to his, er, predilections. Not all paedos - arguably - are to the full extent of the evil sex predator, there are 'normal' guys with a terrible secret who are scared and confused. IIRC Germany or Netherlands recently ran an ad campaign about guys needing help.
GetCarter said:
rohrl said:
Don't bite my head off, but did anyone else feel that the dark-haired policewoman was going beyond the needs of the the investigation in the second interview when she was asking the guy things like "Why are you stimulated by these images?".
She said she was "not judging" ... yea right! She had 'judging' tattooed to her forehead. (No excuse for him of course, but she was rubbish).The second guy didn't come across as a child killer (do they ever though?), just someone with a broken head who probably needed mental help - was there not a program on recently about a guy who knew he had a problem, but had never acted on it and was looking for help?
The sentences did seem to be a bit of a joke though - I suppose there is a huge rift between looking at photos and actually committing the acts, but I wonder how many abducted children cases start with just looking at photos. I also didn't get the charge, or the coppers explanation of "making" - didn't sound right.
Mr Trophy said:
Can't believe the wife gave the thumbs up! I found that mental.
I found that really upsetting - I assumed that she'd been up all night worried, only to find him returned the next morning, so it must have all been a big misunderstanding - because he'd be in prison otherwise - I guess the fall-out came later. Parsnip said:
I also didn't get the charge, or the coppers explanation of "making" - didn't sound right.
In the eyes of the law, downloading a photo on your computer that somebody else has taken construes "making" the image. As far as I know this definition was made to avoid a differentiation between those taking the actual pictures, as opposed to those viewing them.
The argument goes that if there was nobody wanting to view them then nobody (or fewer people) would be taking them, so the viewers and sharers are directly driving the demand for such images and the exploitation/abuse that goes with it.
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