24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
C5_Steve said:
Thought it was a good result all round in terms of sentences, but overall not a great couple of episodes. Could have been condensed into one really, 4 no comment interviews and some CCTV and telematics and job done.
The crims level of intelligence here was embarrassing. Car hired in their actual name, clearly from a company big enough to be fitting trackers, caught on every CCTV camera in the area and more, wearing their own clobber, using their own phones and taking them with.
In a way I'm glad as it made it fairly straightforward to get a conviction but it suggests they didn't even think the Police would bother with the most casual of investigations to catch them.
The point you are missing is that it wasn't a murder planned days in advance that they would be doing all that you mentioned. The crims level of intelligence here was embarrassing. Car hired in their actual name, clearly from a company big enough to be fitting trackers, caught on every CCTV camera in the area and more, wearing their own clobber, using their own phones and taking them with.
In a way I'm glad as it made it fairly straightforward to get a conviction but it suggests they didn't even think the Police would bother with the most casual of investigations to catch them.
They planned a robbery but unfortunately for all parties, it escalated and went wrong.
The police would probably have never been involved if it was "just" a robbery. I'm pretty sure the victim wouldn't have gone to the police based on his previous
Hammer67 said:
I if were in charge of the world, if you answered no comment at interview then the 24 hours custody limit would simply extend endlessly until you decided to actually talk.
Yep,and can I add if you’ve got previous convictions for anything knife,drug,robbery,violence related we just throw away the key?Enough is enough.
Hammer67 said:
I if were in charge of the world, if you answered no comment at interview then the 24 hours custody limit would simply extend endlessly until you decided to actually talk.
Whilst its very frustrating for the Police, I have no problem with it at all.It goes back to some core values of right to silence and innocent until proved guilty.
The state, i.e the police, say you've done something wrong, which can lead to life changing consequences, under our current laws the weight falls on the state to prove what they accuse you of, you are under no obligation to help them do it.
sjc said:
Hammer67 said:
I if were in charge of the world, if you answered no comment at interview then the 24 hours custody limit would simply extend endlessly until you decided to actually talk.
Yep,and can I add if you’ve got previous convictions for anything knife,drug,robbery,violence related we just throw away the key?Enough is enough.
Are women allowed to drive in this utopia of yours?
I don't know what the answer is but it is immensely frustrating to have these people who are on an endless crime spree punctuated by short prison sentences. I believe in the US they have some form of "three strikes" whereby the do throw away the key for repeat offenders. But you really want to stop the offences in the first place and I don't think most offenders think they will get caught. In nay case, I find it very hard to understand the mentality of someone who will steal and ultimately kill to wear a £1,300 coat.
eccles said:
Hammer67 said:
I if were in charge of the world, if you answered no comment at interview then the 24 hours custody limit would simply extend endlessly until you decided to actually talk.
Whilst its very frustrating for the Police, I have no problem with it at all.It goes back to some core values of right to silence and innocent until proved guilty.
The state, i.e the police, say you've done something wrong, which can lead to life changing consequences, under our current laws the weight falls on the state to prove what they accuse you of, you are under no obligation to help them do it.
Tony Angelino said:
eccles said:
Hammer67 said:
I if were in charge of the world, if you answered no comment at interview then the 24 hours custody limit would simply extend endlessly until you decided to actually talk.
Whilst its very frustrating for the Police, I have no problem with it at all.It goes back to some core values of right to silence and innocent until proved guilty.
The state, i.e the police, say you've done something wrong, which can lead to life changing consequences, under our current laws the weight falls on the state to prove what they accuse you of, you are under no obligation to help them do it.
Tony Angelino said:
Wasn't the overwhelming consensus on here after the recentish episode when the fella chased the robbers who ended up dead after a RTA that the only sensible course of action if you're 'innocent' was to go no comment to prevent plod from sneakily using what you say against you?
No comment!Tony Angelino said:
eccles said:
Hammer67 said:
I if were in charge of the world, if you answered no comment at interview then the 24 hours custody limit would simply extend endlessly until you decided to actually talk.
Whilst its very frustrating for the Police, I have no problem with it at all.It goes back to some core values of right to silence and innocent until proved guilty.
The state, i.e the police, say you've done something wrong, which can lead to life changing consequences, under our current laws the weight falls on the state to prove what they accuse you of, you are under no obligation to help them do it.
Vasco said:
Tony Angelino said:
eccles said:
Hammer67 said:
I if were in charge of the world, if you answered no comment at interview then the 24 hours custody limit would simply extend endlessly until you decided to actually talk.
Whilst its very frustrating for the Police, I have no problem with it at all.It goes back to some core values of right to silence and innocent until proved guilty.
The state, i.e the police, say you've done something wrong, which can lead to life changing consequences, under our current laws the weight falls on the state to prove what they accuse you of, you are under no obligation to help them do it.
There was a Youtube link, not sure if it's in this thread somewhere, where an American lawyer explained why you should always go 'no comment'! He went on to explaine how, in some cases, people who had given witness statements were convicticed of said crime, simply because the police had used 'words' they had said as evidence against them.
Legacywr said:
There was a Youtube link, not sure if it's in this thread somewhere, where an American lawyer explained why you should always go 'no comment'! He went on to explaine how, in some cases, people who had given witness statements were convicticed of said crime, simply because the police had used 'words' they had said as evidence against them.
It's a really good video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eEThe important thing here is to make sure that your lawyer spells out in a prepared statement(s) anything that you want to bring up later in court, assuming it goes that far.
I think a key concern before (and last night?) was that, in many cases, the police have very little to go on and hope that anything said in an interview may give out some other clues, or different avenues to follow.
Last night they had data from the car, phones and cctv - few investigations probably generate that amount of data.
Last night they had data from the car, phones and cctv - few investigations probably generate that amount of data.
DoubleSix said:
sjc said:
Hammer67 said:
I if were in charge of the world, if you answered no comment at interview then the 24 hours custody limit would simply extend endlessly until you decided to actually talk.
Yep,and can I add if you’ve got previous convictions for anything knife,drug,robbery,violence related we just throw away the key?Enough is enough.
Are women allowed to drive in this utopia of yours?
Hammer67 said:
DoubleSix said:
sjc said:
Hammer67 said:
I if were in charge of the world, if you answered no comment at interview then the 24 hours custody limit would simply extend endlessly until you decided to actually talk.
Yep,and can I add if you’ve got previous convictions for anything knife,drug,robbery,violence related we just throw away the key?Enough is enough.
Are women allowed to drive in this utopia of yours?
clio007 said:
C5_Steve said:
Thought it was a good result all round in terms of sentences, but overall not a great couple of episodes. Could have been condensed into one really, 4 no comment interviews and some CCTV and telematics and job done.
The crims level of intelligence here was embarrassing. Car hired in their actual name, clearly from a company big enough to be fitting trackers, caught on every CCTV camera in the area and more, wearing their own clobber, using their own phones and taking them with.
In a way I'm glad as it made it fairly straightforward to get a conviction but it suggests they didn't even think the Police would bother with the most casual of investigations to catch them.
The point you are missing is that it wasn't a murder planned days in advance that they would be doing all that you mentioned. The crims level of intelligence here was embarrassing. Car hired in their actual name, clearly from a company big enough to be fitting trackers, caught on every CCTV camera in the area and more, wearing their own clobber, using their own phones and taking them with.
In a way I'm glad as it made it fairly straightforward to get a conviction but it suggests they didn't even think the Police would bother with the most casual of investigations to catch them.
They planned a robbery but unfortunately for all parties, it escalated and went wrong.
The police would probably have never been involved if it was "just" a robbery. I'm pretty sure the victim wouldn't have gone to the police based on his previous
The guys clearly arrived with the intention of causing serious harm. If you turn up somewhere with a knife drawn, you're not coming for a chat. They were perhaps more worried about the guy recognising them than the police investigating which was the point of my comment.
I agree that had it just been a robbery the police wouldn't have undertaken such a thorough investigation. Certainly wouldn't be expensing a Moncleur coat!
C5_Steve said:
No I hadn't missed that point at all, they had planned way in advance to drug and rob the guy at knifepoint. All four of them. Whilst the girls may not have expected the guys to arrive tooled up (doubtful, they weren't going to rob him with colourful language were they?), to be undertaking that kind of venture and not even demonstrating the most basic attempt to conceal your identity is incredibly stupid, but you're right they probably (wrongly) assumed as he was out of jail that he wouldn't report it for whatever reasons.
The guys clearly arrived with the intention of causing serious harm. If you turn up somewhere with a knife drawn, you're not coming for a chat. They were perhaps more worried about the guy recognising them than the police investigating which was the point of my comment.
I agree that had it just been a robbery the police wouldn't have undertaken such a thorough investigation. Certainly wouldn't be expensing a Moncleur coat!
You say " to be undertaking that kind of venture and not even demonstrating the most basic attempt to conceal your identity is incredibly stupid,"The guys clearly arrived with the intention of causing serious harm. If you turn up somewhere with a knife drawn, you're not coming for a chat. They were perhaps more worried about the guy recognising them than the police investigating which was the point of my comment.
I agree that had it just been a robbery the police wouldn't have undertaken such a thorough investigation. Certainly wouldn't be expensing a Moncleur coat!
one had his hood up, mask on and looked down as he passed the camera, then they went and cleaned the car. Even the police woman said they must be forensically aware as they used their shoulders to open the door, not their hands.
C5_Steve said:
…Certainly wouldn't be expensing a Moncleur coat!
I was thinking about that watching last nights episode.They said they only sold 69 coats between whatever years it was on sale.
Would a responsible manufacturer hold a single item of each product line sold in the past X number of years for reasons such as this? Or just pure luck they found one hanging around the warehouse?
Interesting either way and certainly goes to show he should have shopped at Tesco for his murder clothing rather than Moncler!
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